SNL: Bob Odenkirk Reveals Why It Took Years to Get Chris Farley In That Van Down By the River
One time, many years ago, Bob Odenkirk was asked by his daughter what was the most fun he ever had in showbiz. For the Emmy-winning actor whose credits include zeitgeist-defining TV dramas and Tony-nominated plays, plus a late career swerve into the role of unlikely action star (as proven again in this weekend’s new kick-ass thriller Normal), that should be a tough quandary. And yet, without missing a beat, Odenkirk knew the answer before she finished the question.
It was standing on a small, sweaty Chicago stage next to Chris Farley as he uttered lamentable words about “living in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER!”
Says Odenkirk, “I told her doing this scene with Chris Farley, nothing will ever beat that. It was a joy from the beginning to the end, and he would not leave the stage until he had made all the other actors laugh.”
It was also a scene that Odenkirk wrote from top to bottom back in his own Second City days—years before it was transferred to Saturday Night Live.
“So I was already at Saturday Night Live as a writer for three years, and then I went back in the summer to do Second City,” Odenkirk explains about the origins of Farley’s now beloved Matt Foley character. “I’m from Chicago and being invited to be on the mainstage of Second City Theater is like being asked to play for the Cubs when it comes to performance and theater. So you’re going to say yes, and I did say yes.”
At the time, Odenkirk was already developing a reputation as a comedic writer and performer, having worked on SNL as a writer beginning in 1987 and returning to Chicago during his first summer hiatus on the show to perform a stage show he wrote with two other SNL young guns: Robert Smigel and Conan O’Brien. But by his third summer hiatus, Odenkirk wasn’t just showing his own wares, but acting and writing in Flag Burning Permitted in Lobby Only, a Second City Mainstage revue that featured SNL on-screen talent.
“I got into that troupe with Chris Farley and Timmy Meadows,” says Odenkirk, “and other great friends, Jill Talley and Dave Pasquesi. We wrote a show, and I wrote ‘The Motivational Speaker,’ and then we all went—me, Tim, Chris—went back to SNL. That was my fourth year.”
It was also his last year on SNL. Yet during that year, and despite Farley and Odenkirk’s lobbying, Matt Foley did not make the jump to television. Nor did he appear the next season, after Odenkirk left New York for LA. It wouldn’t be until near the end of Farley’s fourth season that Foley finally got to tell kids at home about that damn van by that damn river.
“They finally relented and did ‘The Motivational Speaker’ as a sketch on Saturday Night Live, which I very much appreciated, and Chris did too,” says Odenkirk. “Chris loved playing that character and he wanted to get that same reaction that he got at Second City.”
Why did it take so long for Matt to make the jump from Second City to SNL?
“I think a lot of the actors from Saturday Night Live come from Second City or from the Groundlings in LA,” Odenkirk considers, “and they’re kind of not sure how much they want you to bring your characters wholecloth from your theater company onto that national stage into the TV. And I think [there is] even some suspicion that they won’t work. They worked so well where they worked, but that’s a small theater space, and yet it’s happened many times. Many of the characters you see Groundlings [alumni] do on Saturday Night Live do come from the Groundlings, but usually they go through more of a mutation, whereas ‘The Motivational Speaker’ character, that was exactly what I wrote back in Chicago. It’s the exact same scene, same words, same order. So I think SNL is justifiably uncertain about the idea of taking things directly and putting them now on the TV.”
With that said, when the sketch finally made it to the air, it was with the greatest sense of satisfaction and relief for Odenkirk. That apparently went for Farley as well.
“Doing that scene was the greatest joy,” Odenkirk says. “I played the father in the scene when we did it at Second City. Everything about that scene was magic. Writing it pretty much exactly the way it’s done, and it was all just touched with magic, and Chris was born to be that guy, so I was thrilled. I had left the show and I got a phone call, ‘They’re going to do the scene.’ And Lorne [Michaels] was great. They gave me credit. It was the greatest.”
And to this day, it’s routinely cited as the best or among the best sketches in SNL history. All thanks to America’s next action star.































































































































