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Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang

Simon Brew


Spoilers lie ahead! It's our review of the Doctor Who finale, The Big Bang. Is your head hurting too?

Published on Jun 26, 2010


Well crikey.

Perhaps we’d all better start by sitting down. For if you were awaiting a simple, easy-to-explain blockbuster of a Doctor Who series finale, you simply didn’t get it here. Instead, if you were looking for something really very ambitious, often quite confusing, yet ultimately far more satisfying, then The Big Bang absolutely hit the mark. Warts and all.

For the avoidance of doubt, let's make this clear: we loved it. Even if our head hurts too.

After all, just look at what it managed to put together even before the credits rolled, as for the second week running, the kicking in of the theme tune provided just enough time to scrape our chin off the floor.

We had the understandably lengthy recap of The Pandorica Opens, and then we moved on 1894 years to where this series all began in The Eleventh Hour, with young Amelia Pond saying her prayers. That alone was goosebump good, confirming – as if there had ever been any doubt – that this was the most intricately plotted series of Doctor Who quite probably of all time (sorry to anyone out there who holds much of a torch for The Key To Time or Trial Of A Time Lord). It seemed that pretty much every episode fed into the bigger story, and it certainly paid off big time with The Big Bang.

The opening, once it had got a Richard Dawkins gag in, soon went about the business of getting young Amelia to the point where she discovers the Pandorica in the British museum. But what’s this? Only she can open it, seemingly just by touching it? How does that work?

And there’s an even bigger conundrum: for when it opens, an older Amy Pond is inside, alive and sort-of-well. How’s that for an awesome opening right there, and one that had you wishing you could fast forward through the credits sequence straight away? We're amazed our neighbours didn't knock the walls as we screamed at the telly. Our ASBO is no doubt in the post.

Puzzles

Fortunately, the puzzle of what Amy was doing there, and how she’d survived 2000 years in a box without dying was one of the easier to explain moments of what was a complex episode (courtesy, in this case, of the Doctor’s explanation of the fact that the Pandorica holds its prisoner in stasis). But it still left one or two questions tickling around the back of our head.

And the puzzles in the episode kept on coming. We soon learned how the Doctor escaped, and how Amy came to be in the Pandorica in the first place. Thus, we zipped back 1894 years to Rory, to whom the Doctor appears wearing a Fez (the Fez being a useful device to help us keep track of which Doctor we were seeing, as well as fuel for a couple of neat comedy lines). These appearances by the Doctor, we later learn, are the result of some time vortex travel, where he’s travelling directly from the British Museum nearly 2000 years later (for a crude form of time travel, incidentally, it seems to work a treat here).

Thus, Rory is told the Amy Pond he holds in his arms isn’t dead, that the universe is ending, and that he needs to help the Doctor get out of the Pandorica. Oh, and to put the sonic screwdriver in Amy’s pocket.

As a result, the non-Fez-wearing Doctor is unlocked from the Pandorica all those 1894 years previously by Rory with the sonic screwdriver. We’re told it’s future Doctor who appeared to Rory, although that doesn’t really answer the question of how the Doctor could get the message to Rory in the first place. After all, for a future Doctor to appear, surely he had to get out of the Pandorica himself at some other point, else how could he relay the message to Rory in the first place?

Several theories there. The most potent, though, is that time, after all, is collapsing here, and as the Doctor has suggested, time isn’t a straight line, time is a curve. Plus, we’ve seen the Doctor crossing his own timeline quite a lot – and we’ll be back on this point shortly – and that also could have presented an opportunity.

Support

Whatever, the Doctor is released, Amy gets put in the Pandorica, and the drive to save the universe continues. Not before, however, we get a lovely moment for Rory. And it seems right to just have a quick word about him here.

We’ve warmed to differing degrees to the supporting characters that came along with assistants in the Russell T Davies era of Doctor Who, yet you have to say that none – with the exception of Wilf – has enjoyed a story arc and moments anywhere near as compelling as Rory’s. The moment when he decided to wait 2000 years and guard Amy in the Pandorica was nicely done, and in this case was just one of many terrific, quiet moments in a season finale that mainly left all the big blockbuster tactics on the shelf.

Instead, we were getting dense storytelling, and there was more to come. Much more.

Because then we got to the small matter of how to stop reality and the universe falling apart (the stars has disappeared by the time we got to this episode). The answer? A second Big Bang, involved the Tardis, and the light from the Pandorica. That way, using the atoms that had been trapped in the Pandorica with Amy, the universe could be put right.

Clearly there was a strong element of the dreaded reset switch here. But Steven Moffat managed to utilise the device properly, with logic, and with unexpected extra consequences. This isn’t Superman winding the Earth back, or some The Last Of The Time Lords-esque ploy. This actually made sense, whether you like the device or not.

And it’s also used to explain why Amy Pond has never had a family we’ve seen. Because, as it turns out, the crack in time in her bedroom wall has affected her life from day one. That’s why her house is empty, and that’s why she can’t remember that her father appears to be Danny De Vito. And when they all come back, as a consequence of the Doctor’s seeming sacrifice that’s put him on the wrong side of the crack in the universe, it was genuinely terrifically done.

We were expecting to be enraged at any hint that the reset device would be used. As it stood, we found ourselves really quite warming to it.

We liked the stone Daleks too, which proved to be brutal beasts, and left the Power Rangers colour scheme of Victory Of The Daleks out of sight. Instead, we got a Dalek – just as with the Cyberman head last week – who looked as if it would shoot and hit you without a second thought. And as it proved, it did, as it shot the Doctor right out of the blue (although for a series finale, as with most of the series before it, this was very monster-light).

Which seems a good place to stop and ask another question or two. Accepting the shot from the Dalek didn’t kill the Doctor, and that he was ultimately using it as a distraction, it did beg the question why didn’t it end his life? Last time the Doctor was shot by a Dalek, in The Stolen Earth, he started to regenerate. Why didn’t that happen here?

And more to the point, if it was going to kill the Doctor outright rather than cause a regeneration, why didn’t it? This wasn’t radiation poisoning: this was a straight shot that would presumably kill anyone else stone dead. Just saying.

Rewind


Elsewhere, moments of genius kept coming. And none more so than the part where the Doctor’s actions across the last series were rewound (allowing the Doctor a lovely “I hate repeats” line).

If you hadn’t signed up before, this is surely the part where you had to at least appreciate that Steven Moffat is something of a genius. Because the Internet speculation was right: there have been two versions of the Doctor doing the rounds this series. That jacket in Flesh And Stone wasn’t a continuity error, it was – as we and many others suspected – a deliberate inclusion in a delicately structured 13-episode overall story arc. It was brilliant, made sense, and enriched further a series that we’re already keen to watch again from episode one.

Even amidst all of this seriousness, Steven Moffat peppered his script with quotable quips and lines, and ended his maiden run in the showrunner chair with some marvellous work with Amy Pond. The inclusion of the young Amelia was an outstanding decision, and the moment where he declared that inviting Amy along – “the girl who didn’t make sense. How could I resist?” – was just wonderful.

What’s more, ultimately, the girl who waited all that time for the Doctor ended up marrying the man who had waited 2000 years for her, and for once, we were rooting for that to happen.

There was still room to weave River Song still further into the Doctor’s life, although hers are mysteries still yet to come (she’s the woman to call if there’s a Dalek to kill, mind). And there was room too for one last moment of brilliance, with the old, blue book as a wedding present. Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue? The drinks are on us, Mr Moffat.

And while we’re at the bar, one for Matt Smith. He seems, on reflection, to have had less dialogue than most of his predecessors, and he’s had to – in his maiden run – effectively portray two slightly different characters, and take the Doctor to some very dark places. His portrayal has arguably been as big a triumphant as Steven Moffat’s storytelling, and the Tardis keys are very, very safe in his hands.

Christopher Eccleston is the better dancer, though.

Triumph

The Big Bang was, ultimately, lots of things. It was puzzling, bold, triumphant and brilliant. And a more complex series finale for Doctor Who you may never see again (for a supposed children's programme too, remember).

There are still answers that are set to be puzzled over for some time to come, and there are still questions that remain unanswered.

The riddle of River Song, for instance, looks like it might have been resolved by this time next year, and it may or may not involve a wedding somewhere along the line ("spoilers!"). Furthermore, Steven Moffat chose not to tie everything up with a nice ribbon, by teasing us that the reason why the Tardis was set to explode is yet to come. Plus, who was the voice in the Tardis? What was the silence all about? There are still big adventures and answers to come, and we love that threads have been left untied for the next series.

And heck, off the back of the series we’ve just sat through, and how confidently and intricately it was all knitted together, we can’t wait to find out more. As it stands, we now have the agonising wait for Christmas, which may or may not involve the Orient Express, outer space, and an Egyptian Goddess. Right now, we wouldn’t care if it involved paint drying on the wall.

Because The Big Bang, appreciating that some of its puzzles remain unsolved (and perhaps in spite of it), is the best series finale since Doctor Who returned. Perfect? No. Genius? Oh yes.

Roll on December 25th, and series six next year, then. Because this one is going to take some topping…

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Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By HampsteadNick 1 June 26, 2010 07:13:06 PM

Bloody hell totally f'ing amazing

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By kembel_91 1 June 26, 2010 07:14:54 PM

Blew the rest of the series out of the water. FANTASTIC!!:D

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By hammondsgc 1 June 26, 2010 07:15:54 PM

Hat's off to all concerned! No huge space battles but 55 minutes of open mouthed, "can't drag my eyes away from the screen" magic!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By DocFan56 1 June 26, 2010 07:16:18 PM

just amazing. moffat is the man!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By HampsteadNick 1 June 26, 2010 07:16:27 PM

Right now i have secured the first post, i can write a tad more. Great ending, Rory u are my hero, love ya. Glad to have his plastic arse still onboard, Miss Pond u came into yr own her my luv and Dr Smith words fail me, nice to see someone who also dances like me.. Roll on Christmas... oh and River u are so going to turn out bad, BIG BAD & BEAUTIFUL

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By HampsteadNick 1 June 26, 2010 07:17:58 PM

Oh and Mr Moff, just keep doing what yr doing, pls...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By cordas2 1 June 26, 2010 07:20:02 PM

simple, brilliant, awesome deus ex mechana eat your heart out

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By rosalove 1 June 26, 2010 07:22:25 PM

After all the speculating I just didn't know what to expect, but I too was shrieking when the Pandorica opened and Amy was in there, loved Rory guarding for 2000 years and something old , etc, what a lovely fairy tale SM created. Genius.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By TomBeasley 1 June 26, 2010 07:24:34 PM

My first reaction to this episode was one of sheer adoration. Even now I've had an hour or so to think about it, this two parter is the best ending of a new Who series by miles. Proof, if anyone needed it, that Doctor Who is far better with Moffat at the helm than it was with Russell T Davies, capable as the latter may be. However, the amount of questions left unanswered means that it doesn't quite feel as satisfying as an RTD ending. I always liked the way the series were completely tied up at the end. Hopefully though, series six will prove to be worth being left in the dark for a bit longer with this one. I must bow to Moffat's genius with this episode. All of the time travel completely scrambled my head and it took quite some time for things to fall into place. Each new revelation was absolutely fantastically done and the way the series threaded together shows just how intricately the entire series has been plotted. Particular kudos has to go the "something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue" revelation at the very end which has to be the cleverest plot device I have ever seen in an episode of Doctor Who and knocks even the best RTD moments firmly out of the park. Moffat has a hell of a lot to live up to next year after what seems to be a bit more of a light-hearted Christmas special. After all, it can't be any more pathetic than RTD's Cyberking Christmas episode. :P

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Lord_of_Coolness 1 June 26, 2010 07:27:17 PM

Just an idea, perhaps due to the fact that the Dalek was only partly recharged, its blast may not have been at full power, therefore, not killing the doctor, just wounding him; and the Doctor (other version), pretended that his future version was dead, to secure a chance for survival through the Pandorica

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By ChrisH 1 June 26, 2010 07:28:19 PM

Not bad eh?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Viridis 1 June 26, 2010 07:30:15 PM

Absolute magic!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Tlotoxl 1 June 26, 2010 07:32:30 PM

RE: the dalek shot, it is clearly stated the Dalek is not at full power - indeed to start of with it cannot fire at all, presumable the FezDoctor was lying about FutureDoctor being dead, only stunned by a dalk gun at far less than full power - River Song suspects as much when she tells the Party the the Doctor lies... oh and 10/10 for the episode and story as a whole IMHO.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By ChrisH 1 June 26, 2010 07:32:36 PM

One thing I thought from the start wasn't covered - Amy's house resembled the Tardis. Blue door and light overhead.... and secondly, where DID the Tardis materialise when River opened the doors to see pure rock in front of her?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Viridis 1 June 26, 2010 07:33:39 PM

Amy could open the Pandorica because it was made of Dalek technology! Rose reactivated the Dalek in 'Dalek' the same way! The Doctor activated it to open when he first arrived, giving rise to the appearance of the alien alliance who detected its activation!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Lord_of_Coolness 1 June 26, 2010 07:33:51 PM

Btw, I remember thinking while watching, that it would've been awesome if, the Doctor being stuck on the other side of the crack met the Omega :D. Ah...time limits I suppose. And anyway, I liked the fact that the finale was concluded with such great intelligence, and emotional spirit. Great stuff to watch, can't wait for the next series.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By GARZIE 1 June 26, 2010 07:33:54 PM

Brilliant episode ,with thime travel and its potentials at the heart of its story. But what I find intriguing is that there is still a very very big nasty out there who tried to blow up the universe .Bring on series 6!!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By CiaraK 1 June 26, 2010 07:34:37 PM

...what everyone else had said...and then some! Now, Rory: started of the series hating him, didn't want Amy to marry him, etc etc ...now??? What a guy! The steadfast guarding of the Pandorica for 2000 years???? sniffle sniffle!!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By hammondsgc 1 June 26, 2010 07:39:44 PM

Was it me or was there a hint of the "Raiders of the Lost Ark" music when Amelia activated the Pandorica?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By aj3000 1 June 26, 2010 07:50:41 PM

hmmm....not sure. It felt like Bill & Ted's Bogus journey in explaining how he escaped.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By cordas2 1 June 26, 2010 07:51:33 PM

Yeah I got that as well Hammondsgc, and given they used Raiders in the previous ep I just assumed it was, and loved it for being a brilliant tribute. Had time to think a bit more and still impressed, I like the fact every thing wasn't wrapped up and I thought right that River's reveal was going to wait. Is there an Xmas special coming?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Noddle 1 June 26, 2010 07:57:43 PM

OMG. That was amazingly brilliantly marvelously spectacularly magnificently stupendously and about another 5 minutes of words beginning with the suffix "ly" bonkers! But fun bonkers, not, "ow my head hurts like I've got King Hang of the Hangover people and his entire court paying a royal visit to my head" hurt. Mind you, if anyone dances like the Doc at my wedding, there be pandamonium on my facebook and youtube accounts. A brilliant end to a solid first run for Moffat and Smith. Bring on Christmas! (And if someone could tell me two things: One, where can I find the Specials boxset? No store near me stocks it these days for some strange reason, and two, when's the series 5/31/Whatever it is boxset coming out?) PS: Does anyone else get a Owen post-reset feel about Rory now that he's Mr Plastic?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By tinspider 1 June 26, 2010 07:59:25 PM

In. Effin. Credible. Brilliant ending to a brilliant series. Can't wait for Xmas now.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Doenutty 1 June 26, 2010 08:01:17 PM

Definitely loved it, yep questions left over but roll on the next year of seeing them answered. Great use of 'something old, something new' etc, made sense of the whole speech he made to young Amelia before disappearing. River was truly sinister at the end, things are going to change and she may not be as helpful as she has been, Fthr Octavious made it clear that whatever she did and whoever she was would not be someone the Doctor would help and she knew it. So when she was younger she clearly did something that had huge consequences, saying that though in the future she will obviously be reconciled with the Doctor as he gave her his screwdriver before she went to the library. Anyway, apart from the River conundrum I thought that everyone played their part really well in this episode, the way the whole thing tied in to something that had happened before and the realisation of all the little hints throughout the earlier episodes. Well done Dr Who team, now just to wait for six months...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By ta_scott 1 June 26, 2010 08:09:05 PM

Great episode, annoyed me a little that things weren't tied up and we didn't find out who was "pulling the strings" so-to-speak. But that's just me. It's a shame Amy didn't stay dead. To recap over the series, I'd say that she was one of the worst things in season 5 (31?).

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Noddle 1 June 26, 2010 08:11:46 PM

Just thought having browsed through the wikipedia entries for the series - human turned into something else - Bracewell from Victory of the Daleks, anyone?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By DamonD 1 June 26, 2010 08:18:55 PM

I have to admire the balls of taking big plot points like the silence and why the TARDIS exploded in the first place and basically going "Hey, we'll tell you next year!" I though this was a tremendous finale, favourite of Nu Who and probably the best one since Androzani actually.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By rosalove 1 June 26, 2010 08:25:46 PM

Actually thought Amy improved over series and quite liked her in the end. But mainly love Matt Smith as Doctor, in some of his close ups tonight he really looked hundreds of years old and very world weary, how does such a young actor do that. I originally thought he would be too chaotic but he has such great moments of stillness-except when he's dancing. Also think that in great storytelling there should be somethings left unanswered for the future if it's not the last installment ever, as it avoids catharsis despite how much we think we need it, and SM is such a great story teller.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Noddle 1 June 26, 2010 08:27:40 PM

Very un-British, that cliffhanger. Very American. Not complaining though - How to make Smith!Doctor different from anything RTD did? Give us a ruddy end of series cliffhanger that doesn't involve the Doc saying "What?"! Mind you, looks like we're seeing some royalty this Christmas beyond Her Maj's Speech. Any ideas who? Charles? Him who got his head lopped off by Ollie Cromwell? (That'd be interesting...)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mark27b 1 June 26, 2010 08:27:53 PM

Has anyone else seen that the series boxset won't have the Next Time espisode trailers? From my pov it's a bit like not including the extra time on a football match DVD or painting eyebrows on the Mona Lisa because the gallery owner thinks the artist was wrong. See; http://www.radiofreeskaro.com/2010/06/17/series-5-dvds-to-exclude-next-time-trailers/ Feedback to; DVDenquiryline@2entertain.co.uk and/or https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Noddle 1 June 26, 2010 08:30:19 PM

The Doctor: [aiming gun at the ceiling] Didn't anyone ever tell you? There's one thing you never put in a trap if you're smart. If you value your continued existence, if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow, there's one thing you never, ever put in a trap. Angel Bob: And what would that be, sir? The Doctor: Me. [fires] Who got put in a trap? And what happened when he got put in the trap? Oh Moffatt you are clever sir, very very clever.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Csyoung1 1 June 26, 2010 08:32:47 PM

Brilliant episode, great tying together of the season. Matt Smith was brilliant, especially in his bedsie speech. Don't see the confusion with Doctor escaping, pretty straightforward. Rory opens Pandorica, doctor travels back to pass on screwdriver. No other escape needed. Also why do people think Rory is still plastic? The whole universe and lots of people were wiped out and brought back. Reset as they were before the cracks in time erased them. So we are back to the original Rory .

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Noddle 1 June 26, 2010 08:34:50 PM

Ahh, right, sorry, all I remember was the Doc telling him that he was pretty much Owen post-Reset. Which was pre-Big Bang... yes, sorry, that makes sense now.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Zoidzilla 1 June 26, 2010 08:47:44 PM

An absolutely brilliant end to a superb season. One of my favourite things in Scifi is small things, that you think are throwaway, actually being hugely important. Amy getting married - thought it was just a plot device to force romantic tension? Nope! As others have said, the "something borrowed" thing was absolutely genius. I don't really like the River Song character, but I am intriguied about her now after these two eps. Hats (fez) off to Moff, Matt Smith, and Karen Gillan for the scene when he goes into the box and talks to her, it was brilliant. As for the maybe plot holes - you know what? I don't care. As long as they don't ruin my enjoyment, couldn't care less if something doesn't quite make sense.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Liv123 1 June 26, 2010 08:50:13 PM

Marry me Rory! The part where you see how he protected her for 2000 years was a real sniffler for me and the image of him dragging the Pandorica out of the flames just about finished me off! I REALLY enjoyed this and think it was done brilliantly. Definite homage to Indiana Jones in there, I also noticed that. Very very good job all 'round I thought.

Great finale to very good series
Posted By moorish 1 June 26, 2010 08:52:15 PM

A couple of obvious clangers aside (Victory of the Daleks, the Monster in the Van Gogh episode, the CGI in general and the new theme tune) this has been a great series and Smith has grown into the role really well (he's still no Tennant, but then who is?). The "something old, something new" line reagrding the Tardis was the best one liner Moffat has ever written.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Lachesis 1 June 26, 2010 08:53:35 PM

Very impressive, Moffat makes excellent use of the various paradoxes of time and uses the storytelling methodolgy of the old series to really delilver...there are a few causal anomolies left at the end but its is so much more refreshing to see the climax pay off after all RTD's cheap magic tricks in the past. Kudos too for the regulars who really elicit wonderful performances...we never doubt the return of the Doctor at the end but it was executed beautifully.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By fowardlook07 1 June 26, 2010 09:07:13 PM

Intelligent and well thought out by the Moff. You couldn't go wrong with this cracking 2-parter. But what is the silence? Who's voice is heard saying "silence will fall". Is it Omega or Davros? Is River Song a Time Lady from Gallifrey or the doctor's last regeneration ever... She does say right at the end of the story to the doctor "this is when everything changes". God only knows.... This two parter delivered 100% for me. Better than most of the two parter's written by Russell T. Davies, that's for sure. Roll on Xmas 2010...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By shelsfc 1 June 26, 2010 09:09:07 PM

Fantastic. Brilliant. And (I have a feeling this is going to become an incredibly overused word for the next few days)genius. The fez and the drunken giraffe dancing were just beautiful touches ;) I gotta admit I had a proper 'squee!' moment when it went back to Flesh & Stone, because that was one of my favourite moments of the season so far, and it was nice to have that 'IT MAKES SENSE NOW!' moment :D I could go into a big long detailed explanation of all the little story points and everything I loved, but far more eloquent people than me will be saying very simila things, so I'll just say that it was a fantastic ep, beautifully acted and a spot on ending to an amazing season. Stephen Moffat you are a genius, roll on December. I adore Rory. I just have to say it, I love him and I really hope he's gonna be staying on as a full timer next season...haven't heard anything about that one way or the other but fingers crossed.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By shelsfc 1 June 26, 2010 09:10:29 PM

^^ That was not the order I wrote that in.... :S

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By crichton13 1 June 26, 2010 09:19:39 PM

I Still say the Trickster....

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By ThisLeeNoble 1 June 26, 2010 09:19:45 PM

Regarding the Christmas special, I took the description of an egyptian queen running about on the orient express in space as a bit of a dig at the over ambition of the titanic episode in particular. I'll certainly make a bet that the next episode will be nothing so ridiculous. Incidentally, do we now have an auton as a full time assistant on the Tardis?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Icudoc01 1 June 26, 2010 09:32:50 PM

Brilliant. Just brilliant. And how moving was the Rory storyline? It reminded me of the song in Futurama when Frys dog died. The one about waiting forever...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Viridis 1 June 26, 2010 09:33:10 PM

Rory's not an Auton anymore! He's fully human! Through some miracle his essence was caught in the crack and retroactively Amy soaked it up into her mind as a child sleeping next to it and the Daleks based the scenario of the trap on those memories. Miraculously Auton Rory seemed to be the same Rory because he remembered his death. And because the Rory at the end remembers being plastic he must be the same guy, only human this time, remembering the Doctor because he was there as well!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Noddle 1 June 26, 2010 09:38:51 PM

No-one in their right mind would go near Davros so soon after series 4. My bet's Omega for the silence (though to be fair, beyond "He's a Time Lord" I know naff all about him). He's just about the only major "series finale" baddie they haven't brought back yet that I remember. well. Except maybe the Rani. Good point on the queen at the end, that. Moffatt's said that this Christmas special will be the most "Christmassy" one yet, though whether he means Christmas in the celebrational sense or the Doctor Who sense is up in the air (I suspect the latter). Potential for two married couples in the TARDIS next year - has anyone ever been married at the same time as they've been a companion before?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Viridis 1 June 26, 2010 09:40:57 PM

I still say Scaroth, because of the involvement of cracks and timefields and an explosion creating life on Earth and similar-looking Jagaroth ship in 'The Lodger'. It could all plausibly connect!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By amalthea1983 1 June 26, 2010 09:46:20 PM

That was an absolutely corker. Stephen Moffat please marry me!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Noddle 1 June 26, 2010 10:00:57 PM

He's got a wife. And two kids. Though frankly how anyone can put up with someone who's that bonkers is beyond me.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Geordie2004 1 June 26, 2010 10:05:16 PM

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant episode, despite the flaws you mentioned, which I also mostly agree with. All hail Lord Moffat! Also, a suggestion for the topic of your next Doctor Who special article: Who exactly is River Song?

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Posted By crichton13 1 June 26, 2010 10:07:04 PM

When I need a lesson on temporal physics I will NOT go to Moffat. This was SUCH a disappointment after the previous episode. Episode 12 was dark and foreboding. This episode was dry, flat, and about as dark as...say...looking STRAIGHT at the Sun on a ....SUNNY FUCKIN DAY. WTF. the writer (cos I can't even bring myself to type his shitty name) sould've made this finale SOOO good, so ADULT, rather, he took the easy way out. CRAP. You could've used EVERY character in EXACTLY the SAME way they were written BUT in a SLIGHTLY skewed way and made this episode a certain HUGO WINNER. But, like the title that was a damp squib (where was the Big Bang? WTF WAS IT??) it never really paid off. 4/10 - and those 4 were for the child actor who plays the young Amy Pond. I'm off to watch Hot Tub time machine. well, actually, I watched it straight after watching this episode. Sad thing is that HTTM is american, basic and riddled with inconsistencies - JUST like this last episode of Who. STOP ADULATING MOFFAT. HE KNOWS HE NEEDS TO UP HIS GAME COMPARED TO RTD AND THE PREVIOUS WHO WRITERS. YOU STAND WARNED MOFFAT. MAKE IT RIGHT OR YOUR POPULARITY WILL WANE VERY SHORTLY.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By crichton13 1 June 26, 2010 10:27:52 PM

BTW - I just watched Hot Tub Time Machine... IT WAS FUCKIN BOLLOX LIKE THIS EPISODE OF DOCTOR WHO. FO FUCK SAKE PLEASE BRING BACK DAVID TENANT AND RTD.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By aardvarkian 1 June 26, 2010 10:36:09 PM

I'm going to watch it again. I thought it was magic, pure magic.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By cptjackharkness 1 June 26, 2010 10:41:16 PM

was a bit bummed the doctor did not say anything about the vortex manipulator being something captain jack harkness used thought it would be a cute salute to capt jack. i hope we see him sometime in the future of the series maybe not next season but someday. well i said i would wait to the end of the season to decide what i think of Matt and i have to say i enjoyed him. he had tough shoes to fill. at times i feel he filled them well other times i was not so sure. overall the Vincent episode was my fave now in my top 5 all time it was brilliant. in closing Matt was brilliant i would have loved to see how David would have done being the doctor with all moffat's stories we will never know i say i hope Matt is around for a while let him grow as a actor and as the doctor

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By paddy.omeara 1 June 26, 2010 10:47:17 PM

Yes, you're so right, RTD was truly the master of temporal physics. "Time is rewinding... everybody get down!!"

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By badbreathpaul 1 June 26, 2010 10:50:28 PM

I am really struggling to see why I (apart from chrichton13 mad ramblings) am the only dissenting voice about the end to this series? It offered so much throughout the series, Matt Smith swiftly became my favourite Doctor, and after the brilliant epsiode 12 I thought I was in for a cracker... All I was left with was a credibility bending, expectation shattering, belief suspending, pile of rubbish. No explanation (or hint) was given of 'the silence', of the TARDIS doors opening up to stone, or who River Song actually is. After the ending of episode 12 I was hooked to the screen, every 'baddie' in Doctor Who combining! This is brilliant, obviously the ending must be superb... How wrong could I be! I would compare it to the disappointment I felt when Lost finished, except I feel a little bit more cheated as I always (secretly) expected Lost to finish very weakly...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By DocFan56 1 June 26, 2010 10:53:38 PM

@ badbreathpaul. As Moffat said in confidential, 'silence' is the story arc for series 6. He's doing a mult series arc.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By sicubitt 1 June 26, 2010 10:55:40 PM

A wonderful end to this season. But what has Steve moffat left untied? Thinking the two alt companions waving from the opposite hill. Just how many years has sm thought ahead? Or am I reading too much into it? Lol Great, great, great!!!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By crichton13 1 June 26, 2010 11:07:39 PM

I'M FUCKIN FAMOUS!!!! BTW - Badbreathpaul 1 - if I could reach across into the internet I would enjoy snapping your puny neck you sarcastic little piece of shit. If ever you want to meet and sort it out then PLEASE let me know COCKSUCKER. Is that enough "ramblings" for you CUNT-OX?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By SpiritMuse 1 June 26, 2010 11:13:40 PM

Holy... Oh my goodness... That was... It... I... Oh my God... Oh my oh my oh my... I... simply cannot form any coherent thought over the episode as a whole. It's just too much Awesome for my brain to handle, I think. On your review though, I can say a few things. I was a bit surprised at the "conundrums" you posited, about the Doctor's escaping and the Dalek shooting. I thought those were obvious: fez!Doctor was able to come back in time because Rory freed him. He never needed to escape on his own. It's a "looped" event, it happens because it happened. As for the Dalek, it simply wasn't at full power. And the Doctor lied when he told Amy and Rory that his future self was dead. Probably because that future self told him to. Another looped event, there. The fez was quite funny though. It's an utterly ridiculous thing for him to wear, yet somehow Matt Smith manages to make it look kinda good, too. In some odd, crazy way it suits him. Hilarious though was when he got River Song out of the Tardis, her first order of business was to ask him what the hell did he think he was wearing on his head! And also, later, when he found himself reconstituted in the Tardis, his priority list of things to check was legs first, bow tie second! Lots of funny things in there. But you see, while I can talk about these little things fine, when I try to think about the episode as a whole I just go into a stammering incoherence again... This truly is Doctor Who as only Steven Moffat can write it. Full speed ahead, next stop: Everywhere!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By nunfa1 1 June 26, 2010 11:16:09 PM

OMG! WTF! I watched episode 12 and pretty much second guessed it all the way through but this one? From the moment the Pandorica opened and Amy was inside I didn't have a clue. Still don't. The decision to carry over the big bad to the next series is genius and really sets the Moff apart from RTD. Well done.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mark27b 1 June 26, 2010 11:19:46 PM

Re crichton13, as has been said before please don't feed the troll... http://www.denofgeek.com/television/484717/flashforward_cancelled.html

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By pobrediabla 1 June 26, 2010 11:25:20 PM

I'm also disappointed - again. I thought that after the previous ep I can finally say 'ahhaaa', but no. You know, what did I really miss from this ep? EXCITEMENT. I was like yawn, yawn, next one please. Except: the Rory scene, where he took Amy in his arms. That was really nice. And I liked Little Pond very much. These two eps were also full of cheap tricks. I mean, laws are meant to be broken, but if you break all Doctor Who laws then the result becomes ridiculous. I'm really really sad, because I've been waiting for this for 2 years...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By crichton13 1 June 26, 2010 11:36:32 PM

Feed The Troll. I am so sorry. Because I do not now what that means. What I suspect it means is that one should not post swear words in support of a highly regarded opinion. Hmm... perhaps thats correct. The problem is that I see and read so MUCH mediocre rubbish posted on this "website" that I am being led to the position that I want to simply never read/post another opinion again. Exscuse me if my opinions, howver charged and emotional they can sometime sbe, cause offence to certain, probably, right wing-catholic readers but I live in the REAL WORLD. And in that REAL WORLD, when one feels strongly about somthing, then one expresses that opinion strongly - not in a RAMBLE (I await your reply badbreathpaul1 you prick) but in the most appropriate way one can. If I am to be castigated for that then so be it but until a Moderator removes my access I will continue to post what is my mix of cold hard face of criticism on DoG. If you don't like it then go to BBC.co.uk or thetimes.co.uk.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By badbreathpaul 1 June 26, 2010 11:47:41 PM

crichton13...don't quite understand your anger at my post? Read your post back (when you are sober (I hope you are drunk, that would explain it)) and you will see that they are ramblings. Plus all of your posts suffer from a strange love affair with the caps lock key. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? (I see the attraction now!)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By MichaelBHG 1 June 26, 2010 11:47:53 PM

Someone please explain to me how the doctor got out of the Pandorica BEFORE he gave Rory the screwdriver? He had to be let out before then somehow.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mark27b 1 June 26, 2010 11:50:16 PM

crichton13 if you see so MUCH mediocre rubbish posted on this "website" and are being led to the position that you want to simply never read/post another opinion again then please do...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Omniaural 1 June 26, 2010 11:52:53 PM

Now that I can see this series as a whole I have to say that this is the kind of WHO I've been waiting for. I always wanted a series where each episode told its own adventure but also held a piece of the puzzle that pointed towards the conclusion of an overall arc. To see it finally fulfilled is quite satisfying. I'm stoked for next season but SM is going to have a job on his hands to match it now that expectations are raised and we've seen that he's aiming for a more intelligent style of story-telling. I expect every episode next season to be over-analysed 'LOST-style' in order to find those 'jacket' moments. However the way this finale concluded left me feeling that SM does have his multi-season story mapped out even if he doesn't know all his filler episodes. Does he have his own River Song-style journal complete with spoilers just sitting on a desk somewhere begging to be read? I'm also happy with the fact that not everything was answered straightaway. Matt Smith makes a great doctor and Amy Pond definitely has libido issues even having only been married for a few hours! I'm guessing that's seeding some drama for later now that we have a married couple on board the Tardis. As for the possible clue to the Xmas special I think we will find out the real reason behind why Edward fell for Mrs Simpson and why he had to abdicate (to save the world).

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By crichton13 1 June 27, 2010 12:03:06 AM

OH... I SEEM TO HAVE LEFT THE CAPS LOCK KEY ON.. OHH.... BAD BOY...... I can keep typing as long as you want it lover - BUT (deliberate caps you CUNT) it's now getting boring for me - I wanna move onto my next project!! So - adios - I will be back, if sommat on DoG takes my fancy, then I will make my usual star contribution! Love and PEACE to you all!! XxX

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By poundingbeats 1 June 27, 2010 12:04:20 AM

I think I must have slipped into JJ Abrahams much used alternate universe, why you ask well I can't for the life of me understand all of these positive reviews for a load of self indulgent, slow and drawn out piece of tosh since last week's episode. The emperor's new clothes are looking great aren't they?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mark27b 1 June 27, 2010 12:34:36 AM

critchton13 Love and PEACE to you to!! XxX Because as has has been said to you before we are all friends here [...With regards to Crichton13's comments. Sorry, what point are you trying to make other than be abusive, put words into people's mouths, and dismiss everyone else's opinions as worthless if they don't match your own? ... Why the personal abuse, anyway? I thought we were all friends here?] http://www.denofgeek.com/television/390538/doctor_who_the_end_of_time_part_two_review.html

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By stueyd67 1 June 27, 2010 12:38:31 AM

I have actually pissed myself laughing at crichton13's posts. Seriously though, it's obvious that the fella is mentally unstable, so best just to ignore the poor bastard. Loved tonight's episode, a real work of genius. Thank you Moff, Matt, Karen and Arthur. Can't wait until Chrimble. Oh and btw, i have it on good authority that the 'Voice' is indeed Omega AND it's Yeti's in December.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By RoxanneT 1 June 27, 2010 12:49:11 AM

Greetings from Toronto, Canada. Yowzer freaking amazing episode! What an amazing way to end a series that I thought for sure I'd hate, with a new Doctor. Instead, every one of the 13 scripts was brilliantly calibrated and culminated in an amazing 2 part finale that totally rocked my socks! Kid show indeed! This is vintage, post modern, and neo future, all in one! Love you director, producer, crew, cast and featured extras. Next step, buy the whole series on DVD, 'cause this is a serious keeper! Roxanne

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mark27b 1 June 27, 2010 01:18:28 AM

The Doctor is in the SJA next before December in a 2-part story... http://denofgeek.net-genie.co.uk/television/467510/matt_smith_to_appear_in_the_sarah_jane_adventures.html

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By dave1159 1 June 27, 2010 01:18:32 AM

Great episode, a different kind of final than RTD and that's how it should be ... AND before Christmas don't forget The Doctor has a Date with Sarah Jane Smith.. Yay!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By domt5chord 1 June 27, 2010 01:59:45 AM

I just watched The Big Bang across the "pond" as it were, and I am a bit disappointed. Pandorica Opens was a multilayered, emotional, dark first part - and The Big Bang seemed to concentrate on quick explanations to get to the parts that allowed the actors to be emotional. And while the acting was splendid - the resolution was lacking. Why resolve it so - neatly? The series has ended with a cliffhanger River Song, who, in a great twist, should end up to be an older Rose, who has killed her human version of the Doctor - will be explored next series - the reason why the Tardis exploded will be explored next series - why not complicate this episode more and explore the resolution to the story at Christmas? Or the first episode of the new series? Turn the Christmas episode into an episode that happens later in the continuity, or earlier in the continuity. Allow the Doctor to be trapped in Pandoric and go crazy, so that we can see that resolve slowly. Take the ideas of this episode, and stretch them out so that the character direction doesn't feel pushed and shoved to get there. So, am I the only person disappointed in this episode, but looking forward to the resolutions of the next series?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By aurora 1 June 27, 2010 03:17:47 AM

In a way I'm glad that this episode was so bad. My Saturday evenings are now free to do something constructive. I've stuck with this series from the first ep in spite of the charisma vacuum that is Matt Smith in the hope that at some point Moffat would recall the genius that was Blink. He has failed abysmally. Let's look at the previous episode - all of the doctor's enemies joined against him, the Tardis exploding, obviously the end? No, because the enemies just cease to exist and the doctor now has a time travelling wristband. What a cop out. The sun disappeared 2000 years ago but was replaced by an exploding Tardis which nobody noticed and has apparently the same effect of a star. Please. And now the doctor can solve everything by flitting backwards and forwards in time telling people to do things to create the right timeline. So why hasn't he done that before to avoid all of the calamaties that he has witnessed? I guess we gloss over that. We also gloss over the fact that a livewire like Amy has fallen for a sap like Rory, possibly the dullest character ever penned. In what mad universe would this happen? The enigmatic nature of that woman who was in Eastenders doesn't help either. Nothing was answered here, nothing resolved, and as entertainment frankly it was insulting.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By gotheek 1 June 27, 2010 03:33:55 AM

What an amazing ending to a great season. I will mention though that (1) I appreciate people get very emotional, upset and angry, but comment threads aren't a place to prove your manhood by talking about female anatomy, and (2) to these same people I will quote The Doctor from The Pandorica Opens: "Oh, Shut Up."

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 June 27, 2010 03:39:07 AM

There are some things that are so good that they make you angry, because they raise the bar for everything else! Steven Moffat is a bar-raiser, and if I only could, I'd hate him. ;) SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By shan164 1 June 27, 2010 03:39:15 AM

Doctor Who finale in 'does not completely please 100% of all viewers' shock! for another year running ...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By explodingzebras 1 June 27, 2010 04:04:12 AM

Amazing episode! Best of the series! One thing though, if Rory can't age, that is going to be one weird marriage!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Morbius 1 June 27, 2010 04:27:24 AM

LOL, that was the biggest steaming pile of crap I've ever watched. This programme has been hemorrhaging viewers all season, down 36% since the premiere, and I've tried my best but I'm likely to be a casualty soon myself. I can't believe all the gushing compliments on this blog... just goes to show that everything has its audience and apparently "geeks" are the demographic for this season's Who. I'm especially entertained by the original post that pointed out a number of gaping plot holes and then concluded by proclaiming Moffat's skill in plotting and declaring him a genius. WTF? You contradicted your own conclusion! Here's another plot problem, while I'm at it: what was the point of probing Amy's memories, then? So they could call the trap a Pandorica? So they could make plastic Romans? Really? They had to scan his companion to come up with the breakthrough idea of a box to put the Doctor in whilst duplicating the locals in plastic? Are his enemies all imbeciles that they had to scan his companion to get that idea, and why on earth did it matter that she was his companion, then? There was no special knowledge of the Doctor needed to think of those things at all. Nor was it ever explained how his enemies knew he'd show up at 102 A.D. or whenever it was. Whatever. There are so many ridiculous problems I'm not going to bother listing them. I was pushed to my limit enduring this episode. It turned around towards the end and got good, but wow, it truly was insulting as aurora 1 said. So ends the worst season of Who since it was brought back. I hope that the BBC doesn't read the blogs and think the comments here are a compass for steering the show to success because there is an audience for this rubbish but it's getting smaller every ridiculous episode.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By willbass86 1 June 27, 2010 07:28:29 AM

Morbius, it's pretty clear that the "alliance" were not fucking about when they put together the Pandorica, it's just that we have not yet seen the entity that was manipulating them into doing so. The concept of the Doctor's enemies forming an alliance was based on all of them reaching a common understanding of his weaknesses i.e. his companions. The reason why it was constructed from her memories was because they, an we, knew that her life (due to the cracks) was a puzzle the Doctor could not resist solving. It was explained that they showed up in that period because the stones were transmitters "programmed" to notify the cosmos the point at which the Doctor is supposed to encounter the Pandorica. I hope this clears things up. Russell T. Who?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By jonostarsmore 1 June 27, 2010 07:35:39 AM

were we all watching the same episode? It was all right, not brilliant. First of all, the time traveling was half arsed and convenient. Second, the writer could not stop hitting the viewer over the head with "ISN'T RORY SWEET? HE WAITED FOR 2000 YEARS! Here, I'll have the doctor explain, then I'll show you this act in the episode, and then I'll show a documentary explaining what he did. Did you get that?! Are you in love with Rory yet?!" Ugh. Finally, everything was tied up way too neatly and I HATE that everything was, for all intents and purposes, reset. Of course Rory would come back, of course Amy isn't dead, of course River isn't dead, and of course the Doctor isn't dead. Talk about boring.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By xtrmntr 1 June 27, 2010 07:36:58 AM

Hmm, much as I enjoyed most of the episode, I did not like the reset (again!). Also I can't be the only person who doesn't like the need for continuity knowledge to understand what is going on. I hope Moff doesn't go too much further down the JNT path because it eventually spelled the death of the old series. Anyone who missed an episode or two this year would have had no idea what was going on half the time, and to not actually end the story... I can see that being a mistake. People will switch off in droves and I don't blame them. Early WHO never did this and it lasted 26 years. Personally I prefer self-contained stories, and if there has to be a story arc, the very loose contraints of the Key to Time are enough (but stronger ending please :-) Oh and Christopher Eccleston didn't dance. Watch the Doctor Dances episode again and it is clearly a stunt-double!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By thatone 1 June 27, 2010 07:52:18 AM

Morbius - couldn't agree more! That was terrible. Gaping plot holes; rushed, sketchy and unsatisfying explanation about Amy, cheesy wedding scene, many of the more immediate questions posed by this series left not only unanswered but further complicated, and rendering something indecipherable is not genius, it just gets tedious. There's an element of 'The Emperor's New Clothes' about the whole series; it could have been amazing but it just missed...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By milliemorten 1 June 27, 2010 07:55:59 AM

What a brilliant end to a brilliant season. So clever so inventive. There is a much bigger percentage of love than hate for this finale. And rightly so. Cannot wait for Christmas!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Zokko 1 June 27, 2010 08:05:42 AM

Thank god this season has finished. Every episode was uniformly lousy. As 'The Big Bang' ended, I said to myself: "Is that it?". The old time reversal trick ( last seen in 'Last Of The Time Lords' ) wheeled out yet again. What's great about that? What happened to the coalition of monsters? Did they go back to the House of Commons? No wonder this season has been a ratings flop. I think I'll rewatch 'The Christmas Invasion' on December 25th instead of wasting my time on Moffat's drivel. He has done to 'Dr.Who' what Fred Freiburger did to 'Space: 1999'. Ruined it!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By aj3000 1 June 27, 2010 08:13:35 AM

Watched it a second time and I'd rate it just ok. The Pandorica as a prison for the Doctor seemed quite terrifying last ep but it just became a resurrection chamber. It still rankles that the Doctor can escape anything by the aid of his future self - As I said before Bill & Ted: BOGUS

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 June 27, 2010 08:27:41 AM

"What happened to the coalition of monsters? Did they go back to the House of Commons?" ---- You weren't paying attention. (Probably too busy hating.) It was very clearly explained. They THOUGHT that by locking the Doctor up it would avert the explosion that destroyed the universe, but they were wrong, and they were all erased from history when the Tardis exploded. There WERE a couple unexplained things, but that wasn't one of them.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Codgin 1 June 27, 2010 08:39:13 AM

omg you really cant stasify some people can ya. Need I remind anyone of RTD finales, the dreadful Master one, the dribbling mind numbering Darlek Stolen Earth one, the cheap void trick in doomsday. This episode presented something different and I dont see why people who don't watch it every week couldn't eaisly jump in on any ep and catch up with what is going on. Why is it that something that challenges your interelect (just slightly) is suddenly awful? Get back to watching big brother seriously. And as for the mysteries left open it only makes the payback bigger. In the end this show is Saturday night entertainment at its best and it doesn't have to always take it self seriously (Its Dr. Who for gods sake). Every finale doesnt have to have an omg end of the world invasion type plot, in fact thats getting boring. I wouldn't say this episode has had any abosulte classics like previous seasons (Apart from the Angel one, eleventh hour and the finale) but it has been constinantly good which is what has been missing for the past five years. Long live the Who

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Codgin 1 June 27, 2010 08:40:35 AM

"I wouldn't say this episode"not episode series sorry

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Codgin 1 June 27, 2010 08:42:53 AM

and as for the christmas epsiode thing someone said, you've metioned the only good christmas ep rtd did, the rest were awful, I'd say give Moffat a chance it can't be as bad as Cyberking and the Master one brrr

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By danytheman 1 June 27, 2010 08:45:09 AM

I'm still not sure about how he got out, it just seems to be 'cheating' in terms of using and abusing the "time is a curve" essentially he gets out using a circle, i.e. he gets out then 2000 years later goes back to tell rory how to get him out, and then 2000 years later he goes back to tell rory how to get him out and so on and so forth. This is essentially a more confusing "what came first, the chicken or the egg moment", the assumption is that he must have got out first, but if that was the case he would never have been able to get out if you're still following me. The reason the question "what came first the chicken or the egg?" has never been answered is that it can be answered with neither that is, the answer should be "a circle has no beginning" which is the main reason as to why I'm not entirely convinced about how he got out. Finally, the fact that there are chickens and eggs leads me to think that it is one of those things we should just accept, as know one knows what came first the chicken or the egg, or in context, what came first the doctor escaping or the doctor going back in time to tell rory how to escape. Hope you kept up with me anyone else agree or not? comments appreciated

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Viridis 1 June 27, 2010 08:57:18 AM

People, before commenting on what you thought did or did not make sense just try to think for a moment, okay? Everything in this episode made perfect sense! Rory's human! The Doctor only travelled back in time because he already had done so! It's the only way he could ever, because otherwise would invoke a paradox. The Pandorica opened to little Amelia Pond because they shared the same DNA. The Pandorica was built with Dalek touch technology, designed to open to the one who's supposed to be sitting in it. Amelia's DNA revived older Amy Pond, because it was also designed to make the occupant live forever (suffer eternally inside a box. The plan of the Daleks and the alliance backfired because they thought only the Doctor could drive tha TARDIS, and because nothing could get into the Pandorica the Doctor was saved from the time-erasing explosion! Humans thought the explosion was the sun, because we're stupid and it's a different world and alternate reality! The TARDIS opened up to a wall of rock because it had trapped River Song in a time loop to save her life. The Doctor saved the universe by throwing the Pandorica, which held the original universe's atoms--they blueprints to existence--into the explosion where it blew up as well and existence was brought back to life. The cracks weren't following Amy around, they were there because the Doctor's life was being rewound, so in essence they were following the Doctor and he used them to make Amy remember (unintentionally). How Rory remembered is mostly because of Amy having been poured the crack and the universe inside her head for years sleeping beside it and the Daleks based their scenario of Auton Rory on her memories. What is the silence? Who is River Song? All part of the next series! This was an absolutely magical, riveting, fantastic episode, fantastically plotted and everything paid off.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Sprocket 1 June 27, 2010 09:10:52 AM

Oh Mr Moffat, you are the man. That was just great. A finale that didn't let us down. When we had "something old something new...." I had tingles! Great TV.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By thatone 1 June 27, 2010 09:11:32 AM

There's challenging the intellect and then there's over-egging the pudding. No one here knows what's going on! Read back over the comments (for the whole series), they're full of people saying "So what happened with...", someone 'explains' it to them, then someone else comes along and says "No that's wrong, it's like this..." No one has a clue what's happening, you just think you do, and that's what's keeping you interested! But when the focus is on deciphering a multi-series arc rather than on enjoying 13 cracking episodes each on their own merit, then the series becomes the preserve of die-hard sci-fi heads and isolates a large proportion of the audience it worked so hard to build up over the last 5 years. That's a shame. Codgin - the Big Brother comment is crass and unneccessary and says a lot about YOUR intellect!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mark27b 1 June 27, 2010 09:13:56 AM

...So why hasn't he done that before to avoid all of the calamaties that he has witnessed? ... he did it in Time Crash where The Doctor (10th) knew what The Doctor (5th) saw The Doctor (10th) doing.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By elor74 1 June 27, 2010 09:30:42 AM

Zokko- This series has not been a ratings flop. It is down on the specials (because more people watch special event Who, the Christmas episodes always tend to be higher) and Tennant's final series, granted. But the average viewing figures are up on Eccleston's series and Tennant's second. You didn't like the series, fine- that is your opinion, and you have a right to it. However, you do not have a right to your own facts, so stop making it up by saying this series has been a ratings flop. It hasn't.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By adriane17 1 June 27, 2010 09:33:40 AM

I thought the episode was OK if too complicated for the casual fan (and let's not forget that they must constitute 95% of the audience at least) but I'd like to see a move away from "story arcs" as rarely do they deliver.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By rosalove 1 June 27, 2010 10:00:11 AM

Aurora 1 -Alex Kingston was in ER and Moll Flanders amongst many other things, not eastenders, that was the curly haired Tracy-Ann Oberman and the similarities end there.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By JBT27 1 June 27, 2010 10:18:16 AM

I was worried that the Sun apparently still shining at the end of the penultimate episode might be a real howler ..... instead it was a brilliant device in itself - not the Sun but the Tardis exploding. And that kind of sums up some of the brilliance of this episode for me - loved it! Those aspects just about balanced out the rather too many deux et machinas, not least yet another incarnation of some Lazarus device; let's face it, if you want to keep a character, best not to kill her off, eh? Disappear myseriously perhaps, in whatever way, but not actual dead, because the only way out of that is deux et machina. I have friends who are not hard-core SF, and they texted me asking how the devil the Doctor got out of the Pandorica in the first place - those plot holes are not lost on people, including the casual fan. So the witty, funny, zany, farcical and larking about bits kind of masked alot of that. But as I say, I loved it, so who cares?! So the Daleks are terrified of River Song, and we know that once that story arc kicks in, things are going to change, for the worse, otherwise why apologise? I've still got money on River being the demise of this Doctor, ultimately. At least we know how we see Amy and Rory off in the distance now, at the mine in Wales - I'm guessing we may see that again, from their perspective. The story arcs work for me - The X-Files managed it, and so is Moffat so far with Dr Who, and I don't doubt with this series in the can that there's more and better in store for next year.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Grimr 1 June 27, 2010 10:28:52 AM

What a fabulous climax - and what a jaw dropping opening to this finale episode. When the pandorica opened and it was Amy Pond inside I almost whooped in glee...Moffat has done it again! Instead of starting the show with an answer to all the questions left hanging from the previous show he wacks us with another mind bending conundrum. And as if to prepare us for what's to come Amy's first words sum it all up - "This is where it gets complicated". Wondrous stuff. This was a brilliant episode, and I just went with it rather than try and seek out all those little implausible paradoxes. At the end when the Doctor appears from the Tardis in his wedding clothes my 10 year old son pointed out to me that the scarf he was wearing was the same one worn by William Hartnell in his regeneration scene!!Am I raising the ultimate Dr Who nerd? Was he the only one to spot this? Well, Christmas is too far away... but at least we've got the live show before then!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By therealeggman 1 June 27, 2010 10:32:14 AM

River Song's words 'Thats when everything changes' Now where in the Who universe have we heard that before and from who's lips? :-) Just a thought

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mark27b 1 June 27, 2010 10:49:28 AM

The ratings are discussed on http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=armytedd#p/a/u/1/zs1mIAMTE0c

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By JBT27 1 June 27, 2010 10:55:57 AM

Just reading through some of the comments about how the Dr got out of the Pandorica in the first place, and as Moffat is clearly a big fan of the story arc approach, it is possible that this is something that is yet to come. As per the Amy and Rory thing at the mine, waving, as I said. After all, we already now how River Song 'dies' and which Dr is with her when that happens - so at some point in the future, we are doubtless going to get some reference to her heading an archaeological team that is going to some great library - she won't know what's coming, but we will. Though again, that whole thing nags at me - can't quite put a finger on what's wrong with it, but something seems to be!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Screaming_Lord_Byron 1 June 27, 2010 11:31:26 AM

I have some questions. 1. In the first part of the finale, all of the Doctor's enemies are gathered in a room, with the doctor who is vastly outnumbered. Forget that they are all working together, and they all knew when to arrive, etc. Why didn't they just kill him there and then? 2. If the universe was recreated and the Doctor ceased to exist, then presumably he spent a long long time detailing all of his life to Amy so that she could remember him and bring him back - or else what has she created? Does everything in the Doctor's past now count for nothing? Are his regenerations reset too? Wouldn't that be convenient? Or does Amy just have to remember the essence of the person and let the universe fill in all the blanks? 3. Amy has just woken up from being dead, and is in the pandorica, in the museum. How the hell does she know it's 'complicated' at that stage? From her point of view, she was kissing Rory, and then he killed her, and she wakes up in the British Museum in a box, face to face with herself as a 7 year old. A more appropriate reaction would be to scream, surely? I think I would, at that point. the whole two-parter was like watching some ghastly fanfic universe unfold. Please can we have the Doctor back now? The one that doesn't have an answer for everything, can't fix the world with his sonic screwdriver and posesses no telepathic abilities? The one who actually uses his intelligence to solve things rather than rely on convenient plot devices like a time-travel bracelet. Oh, and while we're at it, can we see some intelligent villains too? On that score - and one positive note for the series, I have to say that River Song is currently a delicious enigma, and I am hoping SO much that she's going to turn evil. ;)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Viridis 1 June 27, 2010 11:42:16 AM

It's really simple. The Doctor got out of the Pandorica because the Doctor who had already escaped from the Pandorica gave Rory 2,000 years in the past his sonic screwdriver whose setting emulated the Doctor's DNA allowing the Pandorica to open and letting the Doctor escape so he could give the sonic screwdriver to Roy in his future and Rory's past. What's so complicated about that? Then he went to Amelia's past and lead her to the Pandorica where she could open the box and let her older self out. If the Doctor hadn't travelled back to fix these things they would never have happened in the first place. He was bound by the laws of time to do so, and when he was shot by the Dalek he had to repeat the exact same words his future self told him to his past self, or else create a paradox. So the plan itself was something that had no beginning and no end. Like the Doctor knowing how to implode a supernova in 'Time Crash' they didn't have to figure it out, because they were told about it. The Doctor then used the 12 minutes he gained by crossing his own timeline to connect the vortex manipulator to the Pandorica and regenerate his wounds through the original atoms of the Pandorica which also revived Amy and the Stone Dalek!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By chewedmelon 1 June 27, 2010 11:53:32 AM

It was perfect, there has never been a better example of story-telling in any other genre or medium and I will fight and rape to the death any putrid festering cunt who thinks otherwise. I did love it though. Thank you Messrs Moffat and Smith.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By chewedmelon 1 June 27, 2010 11:55:09 AM

The above post was satirical. But I did love it. "peace and love"

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By dukkhajovanka 1 June 27, 2010 11:56:04 AM

People, people, people - calm down. Many seem to be worried that too large and intricate a story arc will alienate everyone except for the die hard Whovians, but the Moff has overseen every episode in such a way as to ensure that each can be watched in isolation and thoroughly enjoyed. My Gran watched The Big Bang with me without having seen The Pandorica Opens and understood it completely ("That's so clever, isn't it" were her actual words). The Moff has catered for us box set geeks (that's a good term for the world's Cult TV followers - "The Box Set"), but I have no fear that Who will become unwieldy and unintelligible to families with fish-fingers. RTD resurrected the best of Letts/Dicks Who for the 21st century and Moff has done the same with Williams/Adams Who. Could the next showrunner please bring back the spirit of Hinchcliffe/Holmes - or even the best aspects of JNT/Saward?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Zoidzilla 1 June 27, 2010 12:20:32 PM

I'm sorry I've forgotten the poster who said getting rid of the over arcing, um story arcs. No no no no. Long story arcs make things interesting. There's a reason the most successful shows are like that.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Picard_loves_diplomacy 1 June 27, 2010 12:31:02 PM

I though this was a really good conclusion to the series in the main, though not as amazing as some seem to think. I like that we still don't know who was really behind the controlling of the TARDIS and who that voice belongd to, but an't so impressed with the stuff at the wedding. At least now Rory and Amy are married we won't need as much boring romance stuff...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By thatone 1 June 27, 2010 01:38:00 PM

dukkhajovanka I have to disagree. If you take the episodes in isolation I think they've been less enjoyable this series. I think Moffat has put all his energy into creating this complicated story-arc, at the expense of detail, characterization and plot

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Headache2112 1 June 27, 2010 04:53:03 PM

Another "Reset Switch" episode. I expected so much more from Steven Moffat. "The Big Bang" was a terrible letdown. So much - SO MUCH set up, and so many questions presented. So much simply pushed aside and not answered. Apparently we'll have to wait for Series 6 for some answers? Or maybe series 7? Or will these questions go unanswered til the series is brought back - after cancellation - in the year 2025? (Tossed in with the Valeyard and Merlin.) Sure, the Doctor did some neat things in this episode, but frankly, I don't know how. Time Travel still needs to have a Point A from which to start from. The Doctor gets out of the Pandorica because the future Doctor (who was no longer in the Pandorica) gets him out. How did that Doctor that was no longer in the Pandorica get out? Yes, it's a paradox, and I guess viewers are suppose to accept that and believe it to be a great answer. I don't. In my opinion, it's a cheat. The entire "Big Bang" episode was a cheat. So much more could have been done with this episode, as is evidenced by all the "supposing" done by all of us here on this site as well as so many other DW fan sites. There were loads of brilliant ideas and "what ifs". Frankly, most were more brilliant than what was presented in "The Big Bang". Instead of great answers, we were given Amy's lackluster wedding and we got to meet her parents. Why had they disappeared to begin with? I don't know. Something about the cracks? The Doctor did that, right? How and why? I honestly couldn't care any less about her parents showing up. That's not what I was looking for from this episode. Oh well. We can no longer just say Russell T. Davies can't supply a good "part 2 season ender". Will the Christmas episode feature the Egyptian Goddess on the Orient Express? Sounds boring. Not too happy to see Rory inside the TARDIS at the conclusion either. I know some fans love him. I could do without him. I guess we still haven't found out why Amy's house is too big or who it is upstairs on the non-existent third floor of the house. Or maybe that's not anything Moffat is concerned with. Perhaps he never intends to revisit that? It could go either way. Still, overall, Series 5 was mostly enjoyable. Combined with "no more DW til Sarah Jane Adventures/Christmas" and "Big Bang" being a big disappointment, I'm feeling a whole lot sad.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By xtrmntr 1 June 27, 2010 05:08:41 PM

The best thing about Amy was that she was an orphan. Now she has a family I really really hope we do not have to visit her family every otehr episode a la Rose/Donna/Martha... Seriously the companions' mothers were the dullest characters imaginable. And another vote for moving away from story arcs.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Dierk 1 June 27, 2010 05:33:44 PM

Clearly a [small?] portion of the audience aren't so much interested in intellectual challenges wrapped up in a gripping adventure with intriguing characters. That's OK - we are different, we don't have the same backgrounds, we don't all understand how literature works [i.e. internal logic vs. external logic, suspension of disbelief, plot devices]. Moffat created a tightly plotted series with recognisable but developing characters. He set the rules of the universe his and his writer's characters had to adhere to - and contrary to [most] RTD stories he delivered upon this. Instead of Americanising his finale by going louder and more, more, more, he actually went one step back, set the stage grandly in the penultimate episode, then came up with a thoughtful dialled down character-based pay-off, almost an intimate play. As others explained at some detail, everything in it made sense, down to the paradoxical time travelling, including three versions of the Doctor [the one we saw most of the series, the one jumping around with the Vortex, the Rewinder]. Quite curiously Moffat goes back to classical Who a lot, and not just for some small scale, tongue-in-cheek in-jokes but in tone, style, and themes. Anybody proclaiming 'the past was so much better' aren't really paying attention.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Tardiskey 1 June 27, 2010 06:30:41 PM

I thought this was a great episode to help round off a grand old series. Just a point about River opening the doors of the Tardis to be faced with a stone wall - the Dr said safety protocol had kicked in on the Tardis meaning she was being protected from danger by the Tardis via means of a loop. He also said this would mean she wouldn't be able to leave the control room so maybe the stone wall is part of that process as otherwise she would just walk out the doors. Really enjoyed the fact that things are left to be resolved as it was getting quite annoying when the Dr would send the big bad back to wherever within 5 minutes after we'd spent a whole series building up to it!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Ronin74 1 June 27, 2010 06:36:51 PM

Enjoyed the ep, and the series in general. Matt Smith has seemed to have slotted in the role of The Doctor very quickly. I liked the way the whole series has been linked together, even the apparent stand-alone episodes. Looking forward to the Xmas special and the new series, where after watching confidential, we find out more about the silence and River Song. All in all, a good end to a good first series under the new management, long may it continue.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Xentrilus 1 June 27, 2010 07:00:14 PM

Genius finale! Pieced together everything into a reset that actually made sense, while retaining Moffat's natural talent for time trickery, humour and pathos. Too many awesome moments and twists to list here, but let me just say that this is what a Doctor Who finale should be. It doesn't need to be on a massive scale like RTD always attempted - The Big Bang was mostly the Doctor and friends on a wild dash through a museum - it just needs to have a quality plot, and that's where ol' Moff excels. (And Smith is now my favourite Doctor. He's been simply brilliant all season and he really brought it home this ep.)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By hooplahey 1 June 27, 2010 07:42:42 PM

@crichton13 mate...you need a girlfriend. On another note, that was an incredible finale. I love how SM is putting the time-travel element of DW to use. Makes for some interesting/head-scratching but brilliant television.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By B_Ramsay 1 June 27, 2010 07:46:40 PM

The house is too big because there should be more people living there. Like Amy's mum and dad, however, the episode explains quite clearly that the crack in her wall has slowly been "eating away" at Amy's life, removing her parents from time. It does beg the question however, if Amy's parents never existed, how was Amy born. I guess she's just an anomoly. I do agree that the big plot hole of how the Doctor got out of the Pandorica and managed to travel back in time to give Rory the sonic screwdriver to get him out of the Pandorica is unanswered. It's the one glaring problem I have with the episode. However, I enjoyed it so much I just learned to accept it.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Viridis 1 June 27, 2010 07:54:30 PM

@B_Ramsey The question is not unanswered! IT'S SO SIMPLE! The Doctor went back in time after he got out to give Rory the sonic screwdriver and get him out so he could travel back in time to give Rory the screwdriver to get him out!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By PTDN 1 June 27, 2010 10:08:02 PM

Sorry Folks. Didn't like it. Lazy writing. Time vortex wrist band? - Gimmick. Rory the plastic/non-plastic human ages not a whit in 2000 years but marries Amy? - Gimmick. Amy clicks her heals and says "there's no place like home.."- Old gimmick. Plastic Rory opens the unpenetrable Pandorica with a screwdriver? - Gimmick. The whole Dalek sequence? Good effects but ultimately meaningless to the storyline, as was shooting and killing/not killing the Doctor, and no you can't throw off a poor device by waving 'the universe is changing' at it. River Song? A bit like a laxative, small doses OK but too much... I think I expected better and sharper writing from GM without resorting to poor plot gimmicks and 'get out of jail' cards. I kno whe can do better. Having said that, do love Matt Smith as the Doctor and look forward to next season.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By tacomaguy20 1 June 27, 2010 10:45:56 PM

The finale was ok but didn't really live up to the hype that was portrayed in episode 12. It left me thinking of last years finale and how crappy this one was compared to the stolen earth / Journey's end finale. And I don't mean the little inconsitencies and such I just mean overall. Last years finale (as far as I'm concerned) is one of the best finale's in all of television, not just doctor who. It felt like the show was ending, thats how good it was. I mean saving all of creation from your oldest enemy the daleks, bringing back davros, rose, and all the other characters was brilliant. The characters all willing to sacrifice for the doctor, the power of the tardis realized when the tardis flies earth back home. The biological metacrisis and the new doctor, Donna becoming a doctor herself. The doctor having to lose the woman he loves to his new self and seals her permanently in a parallel universe. As if losing rose wasn't bad enough he has to erase Donna's memory and leave her on earth. Now that was a finale! Exciting, action packed, sad, heartbreaking, practically everything you could want. Here is my observation of the doctor in seasons 1 to 4. I liked how sad the doctor was up until this season. He should be sad for multiple reasons, he is the last of his kind, he destroyed his own race by timelocking the war, he is lonely because he outlives everyone. His companions always leave him. He avoids questions about his past because it hurts too much. He is the solitary traveler that sacrifices everything, even his own happiness because he must for the good of the universe. This is what I think is wrong about the new season. The direction that Stephen is going with doctor who is too happy, too kid friendly. Too fun loving and carefree. I feel that this doctor will never have to make the hard choices. This doctor can have his cake and eat it too. Even the Daleks in this season look more like a boyband with all their colors than as the most theatening force in the Universe. Matt smith also is sometimes too erractic and that can be somewhat distracting. Overall, the new direction of the show is not terrible, but its almost like the show is not even doctor who, it is almost like a spinoff. I'll keep watching and hope it gets better, I just wonder if anyone agrees with me.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By phil@grotto.eclipse.co.uk 1 June 27, 2010 11:45:50 PM

re tacomaguy20 - Yes, there are plenty who agree with you but I agree more with PTDN. No real story. Nothing to get involved in other than convoluted games playing and gimmicky writing. After all the great expectations this season was a great disappointment...and I'm pretty immune to hype.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By PTDN 1 June 28, 2010 12:34:13 AM

To everybody who reads this thread: You have to realise that those of us who have criticised this episode aren't doing it because we hate the show! If you read the posts you will see that we love the show, are concerned at the quality and really want to see DH survive and thrive into the future. Thanks all.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By nm4471a 1 June 28, 2010 09:47:17 AM

i thought it was poor. two minutes to get out of the 'cliffhanger' and just all round confusing and not as good as the previous one. like the rivers of mars being miles better than the last series' 'finales'.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Name1ess 1 June 28, 2010 09:59:38 AM

I thought about this all weekend, and I decided I didn’t really like it that much. While Matt Smith continues to make a fine fist of the lead role there too many plot holes and reliance on too many plot devices. Oh and Amy’s desperation to shag the Doctor is also becoming tiresome, but in the end what I think doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. Have a look at this fascination interview with Steven Moffet done by his young son to see why he will never read anything written here - http://www.youtube.com/user/armytedd#p/a/u/1/zs1mIAMTE0c

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Name1ess 1 June 28, 2010 10:05:33 AM

Oh and you also get to see 'The Mof' sitting down to watch 'The Big Bang' in his living room with his family!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Angostura 1 June 28, 2010 11:27:14 AM

Was it just me, or are the family in the scene when Amy starts declaiming at the wedding arranged a la The Last Supper? Loved the episode.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Lachesis 1 June 28, 2010 11:57:49 AM

The difference with this reset switch was the way it arose directly as a result of pre existing Who lore, the use of time loops and causal chaos is exactly the stuff the show has been doing since day one. This is a stark contrast to RTD's resets which were simply inventions from nowhere, no logical development or coherence they existed as a discontinuity from the rest of the episode. Moffats drama may not reach RTD's standard but plot delvelopment and storylining are in a different league and far more consistent with what traditional Who was all about imo.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By mrblackorchid 1 June 28, 2010 02:07:12 PM

Well, it goes without saying that I loved it. I don't normally enjoy these timey wimey reboot storylines, but this story was pulled off with aplomb. The Doctor was truly vulnerable in a way that harkens back to Peter Davison's era. The Moff loves that era, of course. But one thing he's jettisoned from that time is the Blinovitch Limitation Effect!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By CybexAl 1 June 28, 2010 02:17:04 PM

Very clearly the very best Doctor Who series since it came back. The show needs to rebuild its fan base if it is to acheive the crossover with the more cerebral episodes like the big bang and other feel good shows like 'The Lodger.' I feared that if the grand Moff got this series right he would lose viewers and I was right. Doctor Who needs bigger budgets and needs to capitalise on the Moff direction because quite frankly, this show is the best it has been since the middle Troughton years and the best Hinchcliffe shows. Fianlly, finally, they've got it right!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Interference 1 June 28, 2010 02:34:37 PM

what's with this 'best since it came back' crap? One of the best EVER, surely? Only beaten by series 7 and 12/13 for me.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Hornet 1 June 28, 2010 03:47:50 PM

People complaining about the fact that not all the answers were given must be firm fans of “the instant gratification culture” that we seem to be increasingly living in. Fast food, instant information and never having to wait for anything, you know what that sucks. Better stories take longer to tell, look at all the successful shows out there! It had some holes, but the finale was a great piece of entertainment and I loved it. More complex plotting please.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By fallingonabruise 1 June 28, 2010 07:45:01 PM

doesn't anyone else think that River Song is Amy Pond ? cos she gave Amy the blue book, and Rory or Amy said 'it's empty', yet when River has it , it contains her diary of events with the Doctor. Amy fancies The Doctor and as his companion would learn how to fly the tardis, and she would have aged by the time the next regeneration happened (as this doc doesn't recognise her) and both her and Amy are bossy types

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By dollybluebag 1 June 28, 2010 08:24:19 PM

I'm still trying to figure it all out. only ever saw a few Jon Pertwee moments before Chris and David's doctor.Matt acts a lot like david sometimes, but he is more 'up' and less pensive. I like him. I'm with the 'how did doc escape in first place to reach future then go back and give screw driver to Rory' people. just don't add up in my head.Tardis painting was good! Nice

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By oatzy 1 June 28, 2010 11:05:18 PM

This 'how did the Doctor get out of the Pandorica' question - it's the same plot device as in Blink, ie 'how did the Doctor get the transcript' etc. They're called 'causal loops', and they 'work' because they're consistent with themselves (even though they are technically paradoxes) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_loops But yeah, good episode - good series overall! And possibly Yetis at Christmas, apparently (Y)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By cheechwiz 1 June 29, 2010 02:15:57 AM

Hated it. Worst episode of the series. Confusing, trite and glib. And now we're stuck with Rory "The Life Size Vibrator". Crap. A hurried denuement to a series that should have gone on a little longer and resolved the problems in a better way.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Headache2112 1 June 29, 2010 05:51:35 AM

I was more than happy to accept the "timey-wimey" explanation for "Blink". However, for "The Big Bang", I expected more. The concluding moment of "Pandorica Opens" was exceptional. The Doctor being locked into that vault, seeing the hopeless expression on his face as the camera pulled back, was heart wrenching for me. It was something seldom seen in DW prior to this. It had real impact. I tried, but could not guess how the Doctor was going to get out of that box. Then, a week later, "The Big Bang" begins and my anticipation is met with... "Oh, look, the Doctor's out of the Pandorica with no explanation." The "timey-wimey" card is played again, and I felt cheated. I wanted a full-blown truly heroic, enthralling solution to this, and it wasn't there. It felt, to me, that the author didn't even try, and never had any intention of it. Although I found the episode frustrating, I overall enjoyed it - there was a whole lot of fun in there - and I'll certainly visit with it again. I understand now that Moffat spoke in "Confidential" of answers to come during Season 6. I would have liked to have had the Doctor speak of "unanswered questions" more directly and perhaps mysteriously, other than a passing mention while trying to dance at the wedding or answering the TARDIS phone, or whenever it was he did mention it in passing. I love Matt Smith as the Doctor. I cherish Karen Gillan as Amy. I hope Rory disappears within the first five minutes of the Christmas episode. I truly believe Steven Moffat to be a genius. I'm looking forward to getting Series 5 on DVD and am also looking forward to "The Sarah Jane Adventures" which will feature Matt Smith as the Doctor in two episodes. I most certainly am looking forward to Series 6/32 next spring.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By bartyboy 1 June 29, 2010 08:59:08 AM

Loved it, loved it, loved it. Well done Mr Moffat, well done sir!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By gifu 1 June 29, 2010 11:23:55 AM

Don't understand why people are having such trouble with the idea that the Doctor could get out of the Pandorica by going back in time to tell Rory to let him out. This is a standard plot device in many timetravel stories. For example, in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Harry is saved from the Dementors by his future self casting the Patronus, but he could only be there in the future to cast the Patronus if he had already done so. I thought this series finale was much, much, much better than any of the RTD cop-outs. First time I haven't been disappointed in fact.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By oatzy 1 June 29, 2010 12:23:59 PM

Oh, and to just quickly quote Steven Moffat (from Dr Who Confidential) on the silence - "..What is that? Who is that? Who are the silence, and what is coming..?"

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Gabby 1 June 29, 2010 03:48:30 PM

I'd have to add my admiration for this episode and the season as a whole. I probably haven't given the series the attention it deserves so I think it will do me good to rewatch everything. Don't have a problem with the Pandorica paradox. I just figure that the Doctor stayed in it for an undetermined length of time at which point someone or something released him, or he escaped, and then he decided to return back to the point of Amy's "near death" to save her and get himself released from the Pandorica that much sooner. How is that a problem?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Gabby 1 June 29, 2010 03:51:37 PM

Ooh, also have to add, I really like that there are some open ends to the stories. I think it gives the whole structure of Who a makeover it really deserves and will keep people wanting to watch into the next series. Like the best actors encores, always leave them wanting more.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Gabby 1 June 29, 2010 04:09:49 PM

Just a thought - do you think the Moff's kids get leaned on or beaten up at school by other kids who are trying to get details of future episodes out of them?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Gabby 1 June 29, 2010 07:04:03 PM

Can anyone tell me where the Blue Peter competition winners TARDIS was in this series? Did I miss something? Maybe in the Christmas episode...if I was the winner I'd be a pit PO'ed.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By dollybluebag 1 June 29, 2010 07:13:12 PM

The timey wimey is a loop all right, a loop hole. The reason it becomes a problem is when you watch something very clever and almost genius, any cop outs either drive you crazy thinking you might have missed something or leave you feeling cheated. Like having a bunch of expensive roses with a few fake ones peeking through. What's the point. I liked the fun in RTD episodes, It didn't quite matter that he invented 'convenient' devices to get him out of problems because his style of writing , cheeky bright fun filled terror with some added oolala, but SM has taken a clever in depth story telling with twists and turns that link up like a spiders web.....He has to be better than that with the obvious stuff. .....Perhaps it IS obvious and I am a thick cow...Mooooo!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Gabby 1 June 29, 2010 07:43:02 PM

I often wonder if we (I talk collectively about sci-fi fans) overthink these plot elements too much. After all, by it's very name "Science FICTION", it basically gives a writer carte blanche to do anything they like. Sure there are good ways and bad ways of plotting your story, but why does a science fiction plot element have to make sense in any real world non-fiction kind of way?! Or maybe now I'm overthinking that too?! Ugh!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Eryndil 1 June 29, 2010 09:03:11 PM

Fantastic episode, demonstrating just how carefully plotted and well constructed the series arc has been. I really didn't expect it to fit together so well. Yes, the whole time paradox problem is a bit frustrating (and I did find myself saying "that's not possible" at the TV when I watched it) but the episode was so enjoyable that it can be overlooked. Of course, no episode is going to please everyone so there will always be critics, whatever you do. But this story was very nicely made, with imagination and humour. Rory came into his own at last and we saw a bit more of River's mysterious personality. I'm still trying to warm to Amy (as opposed to the engaging young Amelia) but hopefully she will be less annoying with Rory around - and a married couple in the TARDIS should be an interesting situation! And then, there's the Doctor...he's become so much more than I ever expected. I must admit, I was a doubter when Matt Smith was first announced, but he's done a really great job and brought out a very likeable side of the Doctor. I applaud the bold decision to continue some of the plot threads to the Christmas Special (and beyond, presumably). I'm looking forward to finding out more in the next series, especially about River, although her warning doesn't bode well. All in all, a great end to this season.

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Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By dollybluebag 1 June 30, 2010 02:27:47 PM

It's a good debate page this.As a sci fi fan sometimes confusion sets in and people on here help to clear up that confusion....or not! The doctors 'prison' was a huge part of the story, we all wondered how he would get out of it and although I did enjoy watching I am having just as much fun reading peoples take on it all.. message to overthinkers.....Feed me seymour!!!!:-)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Snake 1 June 30, 2010 03:07:03 PM

This episode was the perfect ending to an incredible series, my favourite in fact. I loved it!!!!!!!!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By aj3000 1 June 30, 2010 09:20:53 PM

I did enjoy the finale but the reason the Pandorica escape grates was that this device could have been used any time the Doctor was in danger. I'm surprised the 4th Doctor falling off a radio telescope didn't find a big bouncy castle that his future self had left there. Anyway Matt Smith is great and its been an excellent series.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Gabby 1 July 1, 2010 02:20:51 PM

aj3000 - good point. If the Doctor fancied spending a little more time as one of his former selves, he could just bop around and save his own life whenever he liked. "Hmm, today I fancy being Patrick Troughton..."!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By ubabz@hotmail.com 1 July 2, 2010 12:36:10 AM

does anyone know how Amy's Choice fits into this particulare series?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By nkbabzy 1 July 2, 2010 12:41:59 AM

i had to watch all the episodes again! (apart from the dalek one)cause this episode was so -i dont know- timey wimey. loved it! love other peoples take on it as well. people have really great theories and it kind of makes me want to know everything! i also have another question- if the planets and stars were gone, why was there a moon? i think its supposed to be a star

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By martyc1974 1 July 2, 2010 03:31:58 PM

Fantastic, loved it. I liked the use of the Fez, it makes the Doctor appear as comedic magacian (Tommy Cooper style) especially with the references to him being a magician/wizzard by young amy and river.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By ScottJC 1 July 3, 2010 05:52:56 PM

God that was so crap. I can't believe anyone can say this was the best series of doctor who ever, much less best series finale ever. Lets count all the things that Moffat did wrong this year: 1) The disappointing Power Ranger Daleks 2) The Weeping angels moving on screen, no, don't do that - they stopped being so scary when I saw them move. 3) Three times did they solve major issues by using nothing more than emotions, I'd love it if in reality if a bomb was about to go off and all I had to do to defuse it was talk about my feelings. gimme a break, but bringing someone BACK into existence with it is stupid on all levels. 4) This is the big mistake, the huge buildup in episode 12, only to ruin it all with a massive deus ex machina cheat. Now the doctor can save himself whenever he likes by just jumping back in time and freeing himself. Its the equivilent of resolving a cliffhanger by swatting a fly. 5) The series as a whole focuses too heavily on the doctors companions, they are more important than the doctor himself. When the doctor becomes a background character in his own series you KNOW it sucks. I felt no emotion what so ever in this episode, none, nada... even chris's doctor made me care, The way Matt Smiths doctor is written they may as well just throw him in the nearest garbage shoot, because I would not give a toss. 'His song is ending... but the story never ends... it does however become a total joke which appeals to idiots.'

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By instantkarma70@optonline.net 1 July 4, 2010 12:21:18 AM

I really liked the episode, and the season. Matt Smith has completely exceeded my expectations as the Doctor, and is now behind only Patrick Troughton and Tom Baker for me. Amy grew on me, didn't like her so much in the beginning, but now she's better. It was a little bit more serialized than I would like, and looks like that's going to continue into the next few seasons, but given how well-plotted it is, I'm willing to deal with it. Besides, if there's something you don't like, just sit back and wait for the next writer, who will undoubtedly do it differently. My one major complaint, and the only thing that ruined this series for me, is that I really really hate River Song. I don't like her as a character, I find her very smug and irritating, and the hints being dropped about about her future with the Doctor are frighteningly romantic. I've never liked the idea of the Doctor being romantically involved with anyone, and given that I really dislike River Song anyway, I sincerely hope that she turns out to either be evil or to be Amy (who has proven that she's really in love with Rory, I'm not getting all the comments about her being interested in the Doctor, she's clearly not.)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Headache2112 1 July 5, 2010 02:37:31 AM

Watched "The Big Bang" again, and as with others who have posted above, it was a bit more enjoyable the second time around. Must be because I already knew that many of the plot points I'd been wondering - and theorizing - about, were not going to be addressed. Oh, don't get me wrong - all that still irritates me. This second time around, I was able to enjoy Matt Smith's performance much more than on my first viewing, and I was able to enjoy Moffat's story - as presented - for what it was/is. I also caught a few more things that I had missed the first time. I'm still not clear on why the sonic screwdriver opened the Pandorica in "BB" when it did nothingin "PO". Also not clear why Amelia suddenly disappeared. Oh, heck - there's still a whole lot I'm not clear on. But I'm setting all that aside, and I'm able to enjoy "BB" for what it is.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By KellyC 1 July 9, 2010 12:13:24 PM

I really enjoyed this episode, the whole series in fact, the way everything (well almost everything) tied together at the very end was just brilliant. It shows how much careful planning and consideration SM actually put into this whole season's story arc, and it leaves me excited for what's more to come. I'm all for a more complex and intellectual plot line. After reading some of the comments about the paradox issue, that's what Doctor Who's all about isn't it? The way time and space can be manipulated and warped, and clearly it was used in previous episodes such as with "Blink". When Sally hands the papers to the Doctor after all the events in the episode had already occurred. Also take into account that the universe was falling apart and as the Doctor said the universe at that moment was a whole lot smaller, the rules are different. The Vortex Manipulator was said to be a crude form of time travel, but in the circumstances, it worked and The Doctor used it in a comedic way that is a distinctively quirky characteristic of him. It may have been a "quick fix" but it fit in nicely with the Who world. Amazing performances from the whole cast, I loved Matt Smith from the beginning as the new Doctor. Lots of emotional elements were brought out in this series, some darker than I have seen in a while, but of great quality. To address the loose ends that were left untied, they will most likely be answered in the next series, and from the pace SM sets, possibly for even more to come. I can't wait for the continuation of Doctor Who. All in all, a perfect finale/series? No, had a bit of troubles here and there, some gaps that need filling. But a great series, absolutely.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By kully13 1 July 10, 2010 11:31:15 PM

Hello. Sorry for posting this sooo late but I only just got the see tbhe finale. I thought it was awesome but I had to come on this and rant about the Dr. being able to initially escape the box to be in a position to zap back to Rory. Its soooooooo annoying! Brilliant episode and I hate that they leave a bitter taste with not explaining quite a vital point. Fair enough, they might explain it at Christmas time but thats a bit off a piss take tbh! Anyways, lets hope they explain.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By junegrape 1 July 25, 2010 03:03:45 AM

There were quite a few funny moments in the finale, but overall, it left me strangely unmoved. That said, I came away from the finale thoroughly convinced that Matt Smith is an excellent, excellent actor. However, the thing that fell down most for me, and still remains the biggest mystery, is Amy's feelings towards Rory. Her verbal cruelty towards him and her father at her wedding, and even afterwards - she continues to treat Rory like some lovesick kid who was two grades behind her in school. Very emotionally cruel to him. And I find that to be quite distracting. Hung in there through this series, but will probably sit out the special and series 6. Maybe I need a good deal of "time and space" to forget the absolute thrills I experienced watching the RTD/Eccleston/Tennant series. The closest I came to thrills in series 5 was the first part of the Weeping Angels episode, and the Van Gogh/Bill Nighy scene. Hate to say it, but I've found the Moffat run to be mostly "meh" - for me, the vibrant diversity that permeated RTD's run is sorely missing, as is the vibrancy that made everything feel like it was happening "now." Good luck, Doctor.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By fanof_Who 1 July 25, 2010 05:13:02 PM

It was excellent! I truly enjoyed Moffat's writing, the way he tied things together from episode 13 all the way back to episode 1. I did not think that I would enjoy the characters at the start of the season but I did. Can't wait for series 6 and neither can my 5year old who now wishes Christmas was tomorrow so Doctor Who would come back on, lol. (Episode 13 just aired in America last nite)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By kjell 1 August 4, 2010 02:10:42 AM

Hope someone is still around for this discussion, as we only had the season finale air last weekend here. None of the discussion has been about the major confusion for me, so maybe I missed something somewhere further back: When Rory and The Doctor touch screwdrivers - a scene I admit to enjoying as somewhat homoerotic, ha - there are sparks & crackling and The Doctor observes: "Temporal energy. Same screwdriver at different points in its own time-stream…." Next, in the museum, Amy very obviously touches Amelia, and, later, The Doctor embraces himself on the stairs, both incidents without sparks . Could someone please take the time to offer an insight on this point? What happened to the "don’t touch the baby!" rule?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 13 finale review: The Big Bang
Posted By Emilymae1997 1 August 31, 2010 03:11:20 PM

the don't touch the baby rule isn't included in this episode because amelia and amy are not the same people. amelia will never grow up to be amy because they are from different worlds ( or i think its something like that ) really enjoyed the episode
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