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Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review

Simon Brew


Even standalone episodes in the middle of the series seem to be going somewhere this time round

Matt Smith takes Doctor Who to Venice, where all isn't quite what it seems. Here's our spoiler-filled review of Vampires Of Venice...

Published on May 8, 2010


PLEASE NOTE: THIS REVIEW CONTAINS SPOILERS. OUR SPOILER-FREE REVIEW IS HERE.

Given that the back end of Flesh And Stone had a bit of an end of series feel about it, it’s fair to say that Vampires Of Venice had a bit of a job on its hands.

A standalone episode following such an enthralling two-parter? We’re not sure that writer Toby Whithouse fully knew the score when he took the job on. But as it turns out, it mattered not, for Vampires Of Venice delivered two things. Firstly, it was a really enjoyable standalone episode. And secondly, it built on and developed some of the strands that continue to underpin the series.

The first of these was the relationship between Amy Pond and Rory. Much has been made of Amy Pond appearing to be another assistant fancying the Doctor since the end of last week’s episode, but we still suspect that there’s more to the character than that. Here, we’re quickly back in her house at the point where Flesh And Stone left off, as Rory – Amy’s husband to be – gets to step into the limelight for the first time since episode one.

And let’s say this from the off: there’s something about Rory. He’s far more intelligent than the usual assistant hangers-on characters that we’ve been used to over the past couple of years (the mighty Cribbins aside, of course). He wraps his head around things more quickly than most. And while he’s a bit of a coward, we wonder if there’s a bit more going on with his character too.

We actually meet him at his stag night here, which gives the Doctor the chance to make a terrific entrance, before the comedy dissipates and a bit of tension comes into the scene. That’s because the Doctor – whose social skills continue to need evolving, clearly – confesses to kissing Amy, and soon hatches a plan to get the two of them back together spending time.

Thus, his wedding gift to them proves to be a trip to 1580 Venice. In hindsight, they should have just taken IKEA vouchers instead.

Because Venice in 1580, as you might have guessed, is not a safe place to be. The core reason for that is the school of Rosanna Calvierri, a place where young girls go (and their parents are delighted to send them), and seemingly get turned into vampires (was it just us who thought they looked a little Curse Of Fenric-ish?). Naturally enough, the path of the episode doesn’t take long to lead the Doctor, Rory and Amy in that direction, and trouble soon begins.

The main story developed perfectly well here, and is well contained within the 45 minute running time. We’ve been well schooled in looking beneath the surface in recent Doctor Who, and as it turns out, that’s precisely where the problem facing the Doctor lies here. Said problem is basically in the unseen shape of 10,000 men living in the waters of Venice, looking to have women fed to them.

There’s also the true identity of Calvierri to contend with, which turns out to be a nice piece of special effects work, too, when she turns into arguably the most convincing new monster of this series. It’s good to see that she’s not a roaring villain, either, rather a logical, rounded person who wants to save her race. Granted, we’ve seen people like that before in Doctor Who, but we’d far rather have someone with a bit of genuine motivation, as opposed to another nonsensical foe.

Not everything about the main story gelled perfectly. We felt that the character of Calvierri’s son felt a little undercooked, and the resolution was arguably a little low key. But it was a really good, solid individual story anyway.

What lifted it above just that though was the details. Because Toby Whithouse’s script had lots of neat touches to it. We loved the nods to old Doctor Who, for instance. Take Amy’s throwaway line that “I’ve had it now with running down corridors”, or the geekbump-inducing picture of William Hartnell on the Doctor's library card. Even a little touch such as the Doctor declaring “I knew you were going to say that” when noises were heard from upstairs, and it turned out there weren’t any neighbours, was fun. They’re all welcome winks at the audience, and much appreciated too.

On top of that, there was broader story work here. Rory, for instance, makes the point to the Doctor that “you make people want to impress you”, and you almost see the weight added to Matt Smith’s shoulders straight away.

Furthermore, at the end of the episode, Calvierri basically puts the end of another race on his conscience. Where’s all this going, we wonder? Matt Smith’s Doctor is erratic at the best of times, but putting him under such long-term mental pressure surely has to have a consequence? Should we read much into Calvierri knowing of Gallifrey and psychic paper too?

And then there’s the broader series arc. We’ve gone beyond a crack in the wall now, as Calvierri is talking of the many that she’s seen herself. The growing theme continues to be the invasion of silence, which the Doctor gets to (not) hear for himself come the last scene of the episode (very effectively, we should add). Throw in too that we had another seemingly irrelevant chat about time being rewritten, and you can’t help but start dreaming up theories. Even standalone episodes in the middle of the series seem to be going somewhere this time round.

We should note too before we hit the final paragraphs that this was a really well shot and directed episode too, with quite a cinematic feel to it at times. The production values were terrific, too.

The episode ended, as quite a few have this series, by blending into the next, and the technique continues to work a treat. Even without it though, we enjoyed Vampires Of Venice a lot. It’s not the best episode of the series, but it was snappily written (with some terrific, crackling dialogue), really entertaining, and – even in the shadows of the weeping angels – it managed to keep the standard of the series going. It's been a really strong run thus far, and Vampires keeps that going (even if, ultimately, those expecting a full-on vampire festival didn't get their wish).

Next week’s episode looks really, really intriguing too, as Simon Nye makes his Doctor Who writing debut with Amy’s Choice. We’ll be back here this time next week, as usual, with our thoughts on that…

Our review of last week's episode, Flesh And Stone, is here...

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Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By 04BennettCH 1 May 8, 2010 05:57:08 PM

WE ARE VENETIANS!!! Sounded familiar to anyone, or was it just me?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 8, 2010 06:00:09 PM

Damn, I missed the first half of the episode now they aired it half an hour earlier! The ominous crack mentions reminded me of the various Time War allusions made in RTD's series, but that was something that had happened previously, in a neat twist, the event creating the cracks is in the Doctor's future! The trailer for next week's episode looks amazing. Fairytale vs Reality. What will Amy choose? "Amy and the boys" Ha. She's really a great companion and Rory was cool too. And Matt Smith rocked in every speech. "You didn't know Isabella's name." Awesome. I'm off to look at the episode proper and see the beginning I missed!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By SamTyler 1 May 8, 2010 06:08:58 PM

For an episode with notably improved FX work compared to previous episodes was it just me who cringed at the "Batman" style FX used when the Doctor scaled the tower at the episode's climax? Holy Bad FX Doctor!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Norris 1 May 8, 2010 06:19:17 PM

Is it just me who noticed that he left 10,000 man-eating aliens still in the canals at the end of the episode? Let's hope none of the Venetians decide to take a dip...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By jeffjones 1 May 8, 2010 06:20:24 PM

Sorry but I just couldn't buy that Rory would 'get' the Doctor after knowing him only a couple of hours, chronologically speaking. Although he was bang on. The sword/broom fight was lame and the unseen creatures in the water...good old BBC accountants at work again there. But still a brilliant 45 minute episode with the right balance of action, comedy and a cracking villainess to resurrect in the future. That's the way to do vampires you twinkling fucks!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 8, 2010 06:21:16 PM

I found the storm to be a bit underwhelming. All the citizens of Venice cried out because of a bit of rain. A very big facepalm moment for me, but still this episode was better than 'Victory of the Daleks'.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 8, 2010 06:23:07 PM

@Norris The creatures in the water will surely die out in the next 100 years or earlier with no females around, becoming creatures of myth and nothing more as they become extinct.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By tombombadil66 1 May 8, 2010 06:46:56 PM

Another enjoyable episode. Next week's looks absolutely intriguing. Thanks must go to Den Of Geek for doing these lovely little before and after reviews! I agree with all of your comments so far. Keep up the good work!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By bazellis 1 May 8, 2010 07:13:08 PM

Worst episode so far. Terrible special effects, really poor story - - if they weren't vampires why were they afraid of natural light? - why was the 'vampire' son allowed out of water? - where did all the thousands of males under the water go? I could go on but quite frankly I'd rather just forget the whole episode.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By LittleTime 1 May 8, 2010 07:25:33 PM

With all of the rampant soft porn in the current series of DW I was expecting a real stipper to jump out of the cake..........kidding, kidding.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By LittleTime 1 May 8, 2010 07:55:02 PM

bazellis, "Terrible special effects" - the storm was a bit ropey but the aliens looked good as did 'Venice'. "why were they afraid of natural light" - supposedly because they were fish and preferred all things wet. "why was the 'vampire' son allowed out of water?" - there weren't enough belt-mounted perception filters and also because they wanted to 'Oedipus complex' edge. "where did all the thousands of males under the water go?" - they will die of extinction as they cannot reproduce. "I could go on..." - go right ahead, what else?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 8, 2010 08:57:39 PM

I thought the empty reflection explanation was brilliant. A perception filters altering the brainwaves, but are distorted in a mirror so are turned blank. That was just fantastic. Except, then why did Rosanna squirm when the device malfunctioned? According to the rules the device shouldn't affect her: only those watching her. So that put me off slightly. If they're making up the rules they should stick to them! Like when the Angels started moving when Amy wasn't watching them! But of course, if time can be rewritten, why not this?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Lachesis 1 May 8, 2010 09:12:37 PM

Hmm I honestly have no idea why but this episode didn't quite grab me, I suppose it may be the beginnings of the emo indulgence I got fed up with from RTD and I would hate to see return in force, or maybe because I wanted to see vampires proper, or maybe becasue we get lots of questions but no-one really seems to be trying to find answers ...another viewing required to get to the bottom of it I guess.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Mawson 1 May 8, 2010 10:18:55 PM

Great episode again, much enjoyed. The three Tardis crewmembers were on top form, much looking forward to next weeks epsiode too... Now, what is this fixation with the special effects? Doctor Who was always about more than the effects, its an element of the critiscm I just don't understand here. Maybe because I'm old enough to cherish memories of the original series?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Mawson 1 May 8, 2010 10:18:59 PM

Great episode again, much enjoyed. The three Tardis crewmembers were on top form, much looking forward to next weeks epsiode too... Now, what is this fixation with the special effects? Doctor Who was always about more than the effects, its an element of the critiscm I just don't understand here. Maybe because I'm old enough to cherish memories of the original series?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Mawson 1 May 8, 2010 10:25:57 PM

I forgot to mention, the only complaint I had. And to be fair, its not really that, I enjoyed the show too much to whinge. But I did note that at the end Calvierri took off the perception filter and failed to change back to her alien form before plunging into the water. However, complaining about such a thoroughly entertaining run of episodes does seem rather churlish.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By mirecraic 1 May 8, 2010 10:36:02 PM

There was a lovely overlooked line in the early part of the episode that I thought was quite nice, actually. When Amy suggest that she pose as a student and the Doctor starts to agree, he stops himself saying "No, no, NO. It can't keep happening like this. That's how they go" or something similar. Another nod to past Who and a connection to Rory's "you make people dangerous to themselves" monologue. I'm glad that intelligent writing is encouraged in a popular, mainstream show.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By procrastinationathon 1 May 8, 2010 11:35:55 PM

very good ep i thought (and not just cause i have a soft spot for alex price). if i ust have one MINOR quibble, it'll be the slightly inconsistant nature of the aliens. francesco and his mum are very intellegent yet the 10,000 sons in the water just thrash around and eat. had it been madam calvierri and a daughter i would have bought that the males of their species are more instict driven than the females, but as it was it came across as a bit inconsistant. this IS a nit pick though, it was good fun overall and with some nice character development. next weeks looks brilliant, toby jones and all.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By DarthSeaBass 1 May 8, 2010 11:59:59 PM

Another good ep nice to see i'm not the only one who thought "victory of the daleks" was a bit shit.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By moorish 1 May 9, 2010 12:41:31 AM

A "nice piece of special effects work"? I have to disagree. Venice looked good but the monster looked very ropey. The creature CGI in this series has been poor, to say the least. Beeb budget cuts?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By moorish 1 May 9, 2010 12:42:35 AM

And did I miss it, but what the hell was done about the 10,000 monsters in the canals? They were just left there to die out? Poor plotting.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By GatheringStorm 1 May 9, 2010 01:47:46 AM

Brilliant Special effects bob on & great story "The Storm Is Coming" hmmm what do them pesky daleks call the doctor again me thinks we get to see them again soon & i putting big money on a return in the finale

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Friction 1 May 9, 2010 03:59:48 AM

On special effects: The real problem with the special effects is the over reliance on CGI. Use it when it works as it did/does frequently but don't just use it for the sake of it. If you can't afford/ don't have time for unobtrusive CGI fnd another way around. Personally I buy a bloke in a suit, maybe only a s a bloke in a suit but at least I beleive he's real.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 May 9, 2010 04:34:12 AM

SO happy this one was good! Yes, it ended a little quickly and left a whole army of Space Fish in the water (and the lead villain Space Fish Lady somehow turned human at the end), but it was written and acted REALLY well, so I don't care! --- Here's hoping "Travesty of the Lardeks" was just a fluke, and the rest of the series goes along these lines.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Solus 1 May 9, 2010 06:02:38 AM

How could Amy catch the sunshine with her mirror when there was no sun ? Why was Rosanna looking like a human in the last scene when she'd already put her gizmo away ? And this lame death-scene where the girl explained what she feels underwater while dying... Ready bad written, and apart from that the episode often just jumped from one joke (some good, some bad) to the next. And the ending with this sudden change from storm to sunshine und whistling birds felt like a parody of Doctor Who. This whole episode was like Naked Gun gone wrong !

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Headache2112 1 May 9, 2010 06:25:43 AM

I didn't understand where the sun reflected in Amy's mirror came from either. Since the son was out there fighting with Rory for several minutes in daylight, why did one extremely quick flash of sunlight from a mirror make him explode? But really, that's my only fault with the episode. The trailers for the episode were really quite awful. They gave little away (as they certainly shouldn't) but neither were they all that inviting. The episode was vastly greater than how the trailers presented it. I thought the fx were great. The creatures actual appearance was pretty darn cool. The sword/broom fight was really funny and scary at the same time. Actually, the entire episode was really funny and scary at the same time! 6 episodes in, we've got four really good ep's, one OK ("Beast") and only one awful ("Victory"). The trailer for next week's episode is most tantalizing!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 9, 2010 08:43:06 AM

Maybe only direct sunlight kills them? And the reason why Rosanna was eaten at the end is because her sons thought she was human, but she wasn't, she was only perceived as human because her gizmo got stuck like that because Amy broke it with her kick.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 9, 2010 08:55:11 AM

One last thing though; if these things are fish people who come from the sea, then why do they have spider legs? They don't look like they can survive in water at all.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By revolution 1 May 9, 2010 09:10:08 AM

Well the show certainly pulled the rug from many with that episode - in many ways potentially an own goal too as many had already written off the vampire episode as one to miss. Instead it turns out to be another strong addition to the season. A dubious means to defeat the son - all rather convenient and contrived but besides that the twist of these vampires actually being space fish was excellent. For once some excellent fx with the creature too - however the doctor climbing the tower reminded me of dodgy 70s spiderman wall climbing.... that surely shud have been cut to doctor making it to the tower full stop! So far so good - the weeping angels double bill was good - but ended all to prematurely. Disappoint purely due to lofty expectations however the intriguing development of the universed is cracked continues apace. The horrendous victory of the daleks asides - its been an impressive run. Next weeks trailer looks to very interesting indeed- on the basis of the trailer alone it almost seems reminiscent of a supernatural / nightmare on elm street style storyline. Roll on next saturday... Geronimo!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Interference 1 May 9, 2010 09:58:19 AM

Just doctor who by numbers. Does nothing different, adds nothing to the series, says nothing, does nothing. Even Victory, turd that it is, had something new to throw at us. And the CGI *was* ropey. The guys who did the grading saved this episode. If you look back at the CG sequences, they'll appear a lot darker than the stuff around them. Except the stuff with the doctor on the tower which practically had a blue fringe around Smith. Maybe they *were* going for a true old-school Who feel, crap CSO and all.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Dierk 1 May 9, 2010 12:09:16 PM

@Viridis While the doctor, hence everybody listening to him, called them 'space fish', their appearance made it pretty clear they are crustaceans - big aragosta [cray fish to our American friends].

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By miguel_de_barioz 1 May 9, 2010 12:55:47 PM

I am so upset that the BBC have not used any of my ideas so far in this series man. I gues they think I am some fool from a village in another continent - and they are partly right. but I am no fool! I am glad they listened to me about using the daleks robots again - I am glad they listen to me when I say to use guns more - But I am angry when I tell them that Dr Who should not be a gay. I am not homo-hater but I am upset by this Russel David using a gay man when they should make him either not a gay or a gay who isn't too loud about it. My father - he say "Doctor Who should be kissing that girl not running away" I say: ' But he is a gay' - My father says back to me - "I see"

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Norton77 1 May 9, 2010 01:06:07 PM

Sorry, but what is the point of 'Miguel's post? If it was meant to be funny, it wasn't.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By flaysomewench 1 May 9, 2010 01:26:57 PM

What I couldn't figure out in this episode was, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TIDAL WAVE THE EARTHQUAKE WOULD HAVE CAUSED?! Apart from that, I found the episode boring, aside from the hilarious opening and Arthur Darvill's performance. And yes, the dodgy effects when the Doctor was climbing the tower had me blushing for the effects team.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By kaymc 1 May 9, 2010 01:46:55 PM

First we had The Darkness, now we have The Silence. What's going to happen next season, The Smell-lessness?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By benjaminbunny 1 May 9, 2010 04:51:15 PM

Decent episode indeed. Helen McCrory gave Rosanna real depth. And while Whithouse's script was indeed pretty good, the line about smelling of cheese and biscuits though maybe should have been lost in the edit if not before the shoot. And you seem to have missed his biggest gag - the one about not wanting to run into Casanova. Has Mr Tennant been forgotten so quickly? ;)

What about when the son jumped in the canal?
Posted By moorish 1 May 9, 2010 06:46:48 PM

HE appeared human too, and he didn't get eaten. Huh?!? This episode was VERY poorly written, though it had some good jokes in it. Both the non-Moff episodes so far this series have been poor! He needs to get a bit of a firmer grip on his writers. RTD pissed a few of them off but he did it for the good of the programme.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By TheTeacher 1 May 9, 2010 06:57:10 PM

So far this has been the most constant Doctor Who series of the last five years. Although I do admit that there were some issues here that were not too satisfying (I'm talking about the reflection of the sun bit) this episode was really good, especially the scenes with the Doctor and the "queen". I just wondered why the Doctor did not mention the confrontations between the time lords and the vampires or his (the 4th Doctor's) meeting with vampires... would have been nice. And next week's episode looks like it could challenge "Blink" as the best new Who episode so far. "Call me Dream Lord"?! Looks like something Neil Gaiman could have written.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By SpiritMuse 1 May 9, 2010 08:23:56 PM

@Miguel I really should not even dignify this with an answer, but really. Gay? Since when is the only explanation for a guy refusing to kiss a girl, an engaged one at that, that he must be gay? Not every guy wants to jump Anything That Moves, nor should they have to. Although maybe this is true in your "fool" village on another continent. In that case, I am sorry for the women there. You're a little behind the times, too. Russel T Davies doesn't write for the show anymore.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By SpiritMuse 1 May 9, 2010 08:33:14 PM

I'm sorry, but I am sick and tired of people complaining that a show is badly written just because not every last detail is explained. Seriously, it's called "imagination", people! Maybe Amy found that one last ray of sunlight to direct it at the guy. Maybe the "queen" still wore her perception filter device underneath the white dress. Or maybe the device works from a distance and would still affect her image after she took it off! Remember, it doesn't actually affect her, but tricks the minds of the people around her to perceive her differently. Really, just because you can't think of an explanation doesn't mean there isn't one.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Name1ess 1 May 9, 2010 10:10:48 PM

SpiritMuse – I’ll do this in reverse order. First, I agree with you about the bad writing. To me it’s only bad when it breaks the flow while you’re watching, and come on, this is Doctor Who for goodness sake! If there weren’t at least 3 big plot hole per episode then it would be a different programme. Secondly the Miguel thing is a wind up. He tries to convince us he’s foreign by using phrase like ‘My father - he say’ and referring to ‘daleks robots’(!) but then punctuates everything perfectly and uses the contraction ‘ isn’t ‘ instead of ‘is not’.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By roncook 1 May 10, 2010 05:30:38 AM

Strong start that seemed to promise more than it actually delivered, but after last week's barnstormer that was perhaps to be expected. Unless there is a motive for having Rory along I shall be disappointed since this wrecks havoc with that interesting dynamic we saw develop between Amy and the Doctor but I still maintain that while it has its faults (and it wouldn't be DW if there wasn't something to complain about) its still head and shoulders above the competition.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By B_Ramsay 1 May 10, 2010 06:11:01 AM

I thought it was pretty obvious that the Queen was setting her perception filter to stay on human because she wanted to die and knew she had to look human for her sons to kill her.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 May 10, 2010 09:39:13 AM

I thought this was a very average episode. The plot wasn't great, the writing was ok and the acting was ok. I made the mistake of watching the DVD with Human Nature/Family of Blood and Blink the other day. Now I know these are arguably the best DW episodes ever, but the difference in quality between those two stories and anything this series is a huge gulf! I really cannot warm to Matt Smith and Karen Gillan is starting to irritate me. Could you imagine those two pulling off a story like Human Nature? I think not. It looks to me that budget cuts have prompted the production team to go for cheaper actors. Matt and Karen just seem like two kids playing at DW. Why is it that the endings seem rushed this series? It seems like the episodes need to be a bit longer. I will still continue to watch this series, and it is still better than most things on TV, but I have been very disappointed with the quality this series. I think I must be watching an alternate reality version to the Den of Geek reviewer!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By moorish 1 May 10, 2010 12:42:22 PM

SpiritMuse - I'm sorry, but bad writing and poor plotting are rife on non-Moff who episodes so far this series. The fact that you have to sit there and basically invent your own solutions is *not* a good thing. You don't keep a dog and bark yourself. Fans are not lacking imagination, they just have standards. You should try it.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By RichyH 1 May 10, 2010 01:04:43 PM

Oh dear. One or two nice light moments but otherwise another rushed plot-hole ridden waste of 45 minutes... and to think I was looking forward to Steven Moffat's tenure being better than RTDs! I still like the production values (mostly) and the two leads are fine, but the rest is really paper-thin and very poor.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Bluetongue 1 May 10, 2010 02:05:42 PM

No one has commented on the similarity bewteen Rory and Mickey Smith. Another sidekick of the companion that might turn out to have a bit part and become a bit cool?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Cheech 1 May 10, 2010 02:30:19 PM

Everyone is missing what I felt was a rather important line when Rory first enters the TARDIS; "It's another dimension" to which the Doctor seems a little stunned, replying; "I like the bit where people say "It's bigger on the inside." I always look forward to that!" Rory certainly has a lot more going on under the hood and could be why the Universe is fixated on his and Amy's Wedding.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By blueoyster101 1 May 10, 2010 06:21:02 PM

I wonder if it's just me, but I find the sound mixing in this series really odd. It really is quite hard to get all the dialogue first time amidst all the cacophany. Never had this problem with Messrs Tennant, Eccleston, Baker et al. Oh, and I just hate people mucking around with the vampire lore. So vampires can walk around in the day with umbrellas can they? How convenient! Saw that film "Daywalkers" recently, and the vamps were standing quite happily in the shade of a tree! And if crossed candlesticks can work for Peter Cushing, why not poor Rory!?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By cordas2 1 May 10, 2010 07:44:29 PM

I would have to say it was the 1st turkey of the new series, and even worse it flaunted with being really good and interesting repeatedly only to disappoint.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Omniaural 1 May 10, 2010 09:27:15 PM

Possibly the worst episode so far, I thought WHO might have been about to address the supernatural for once and not explain it away as misunderstood aliens. oh well. Whilst the action and plot were forgettable for me my enjoyment is coming from continual layering of the characters. Now with Rory around we get to see something more of Amy apart from the Doctor and whilst He has been her obsession for so long she genuinely seems to care for Rory. And Rory doesn't seem like a coward he's just a regular bloke. The scene where he tried to save Amy from the Space Fish Son was a believable act of bravery to protect the person you care about most. Obviously there is something exceptional about Amy and the way she throws herself into the adventure and seems to be out-thinking the doctor at some points has been hinted that there may be more to it than we first think. This is the first time since the Ninth doctor's series where I watch each episode with the hope that it might be halfway decent rather another 45 minutes wasted. Thankfully, most of them have delivered that so far!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Rob_H 1 May 10, 2010 09:31:13 PM

Blueoyster101, it's because they weren't... oh, never mind.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By crichton13 1 May 10, 2010 10:20:24 PM

OK, I realise that posting this late on DOG means that few, if nobody will read this but I have found where the dress designers of the 11th Doctor got their ideas from. From a little known (but quite good) film from the early 80's called "Time after Time" whereby HG Wells travels using his time machine forward to try to capture/stop Jack the Ripper. Check out IMDB people and if you have the guts, torrent the film and watch and you will see for yourself the similarities. They're there, in ABUNDANCE. John Crichton has THE SCOOP. Everybody else who THINK they can search the internet for spacial connections - SUCK. (And I MEAN Spacial rather than SPECIAL you dickheads...) The 11th Doctor is based on the HG Wells character from the 80's film "Time after Time".

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By QuattroFormaggi 1 May 11, 2010 01:02:28 AM

Sometimes think the new dr who is slightly down to the level of cbbc, the sarah jane adventures. Please bring it back up a notch, drop the over the top comedic moments.. kids can handle a little more darker story an a little less slapstic.. :)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By cheechwiz 1 May 11, 2010 01:54:11 PM

Why is everyone down on "Victory of the Daleks" I mean, it had SPITFIRES IN SPACE!!!!!! That alone was enough. Oh, yeah liked this ep. Smith seems to be shaping up, but this rewriting history is kind of worrying me. Does this mean they're going to wipe out the previous series of the reboot? I wouldn't put that past Steven Moffat who seems to be having a bit of an inferiority complex crisis by feeling the need to reiterate at every occasion that this is _HIS_ Doctor.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 May 12, 2010 11:30:37 AM

The reason everyone is down on "Victory of the Daleks" (apart from it being crap) is tat there WERE spitfires in space!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Ligea 1 May 12, 2010 08:06:52 PM

Okay, so about the males in the water, how does this work: They're at a more juvenile, less developed form so they have to stay in the water while the "son" gets to walk around. And being unable to take care of themselves they'll soon die off with no one to look after them. Problem solved

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By DigThatFunk 1 May 14, 2010 07:54:52 AM

So, I realize I've quite missed the boat on this one, but a few things seem to stick out that are going over peoples' heads. First of all, as a race of DEEP SEA FARING CREATURES, this explains there aversion to natural sunlight/UV light(hence furthering the vampire allegory). Second, as one poster above mentioned, she did not turn OFF her perception filter; rather, she made sure she would appear as a human woman, and therefore, edible to her sons..they would recognize their mother, but not some "human" queen. Finally...Really?! Complaining about special FX in Doctor Who? This is one thing I will never understand, as the cheesiness just adds to it, and has been part of DW for, well, a long time. Also, why all the "Vic. of the Daleks" hate? I thought it was awesome, seeing the Doctor torn between being able to finally end his arch-enemies existence, and saving the Earth. Also, the Daleks made the scientist? Awesome twist!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By DigThatFunk 1 May 14, 2010 07:57:24 AM

Oh, and, I'd just like to add...The chemistry between matt smith and karen gillan is awesome. And I am absolutely loving the 11th doctor, his quirks are just...awesome! That is all.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By militantcactus 1 May 15, 2010 04:50:03 PM

Just TERRIBLE!!!! Even worse than "The Twin Dilemma", "Fear Her" and "Time-Flight" (all rolled together into one cringeworthy episode). Special effects are dire, acting dreadful, writing was shocking and Karen Gillan really needs some acting lessons. The only scary thing in the episode was Karens face pulling, and emphasis on all the wrong words!! I'm really disappointed in the series as a whole, and personally think that Steven Moffatt should hand the show to someone who could do the series justice...... come back RTD!!! And does anyone think that the entire budget was blown on a swanky HD camera??

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By junegrape 1 May 23, 2010 02:47:18 AM

Here in America, just finished watching this episode... feeling like an alien myself here amidst all the "oohing" and "ahhhing" over this episode. I suppose "art" is indeed subjective. What can I say about this episode? *Groan.* *Ugh.* *Oy.* Silly. Uneven. Derivative (Empress of Racnoss anyone?) Unexpectedly Disturbing (Isabella's "Jaws-like" death). Horrible direction and writing. "Coupling" meets "Doctor Who." (Enough with the romantic sitcom banter already. It was somewhat funny in Coupling. It's incredibly grating here. Although admittedly, I LOVED the opening. From there on, *Groan.* *Ugh.* *Oy.*) For a moment, I thought the title of this episode should be "The Doctor Takes a Guilt Trip," with all the "J'accuse!" moments written into every other scene. And yes, I agree with "militantcactus" that Gillan's acting in this, and really so far... needs polishing. Still I cling to hope that this thing gets better as it goes along.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By junegrape 1 May 23, 2010 02:47:40 AM

Here in America, just finished watching this episode... feeling like an alien myself here amidst all the "oohing" and "ahhhing" over this episode. I suppose "art" is indeed subjective. What can I say about this episode? *Groan.* *Ugh.* *Oy.* Silly. Uneven. Derivative (Empress of Racnoss anyone?) Unexpectedly Disturbing (Isabella's "Jaws-like" death). Horrible direction and writing. "Coupling" meets "Doctor Who." (Enough with the romantic sitcom banter already. It was somewhat funny in Coupling. It's incredibly grating here. Although admittedly, I LOVED the opening. From there on, *Groan.* *Ugh.* *Oy.*) For a moment, I thought the title of this episode should be "The Doctor Takes a Guilt Trip," with all the "J'accuse!" moments written into every other scene. And yes, I agree with "militantcactus" that Gillan's acting in this, and really so far... needs polishing. Still I cling to hope that this thing gets better as it goes along.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Screaming_Lord_Byron 1 June 21, 2010 05:08:03 PM

~Takes a deep breath~ Oh boy. This was dreadful. What a missed opportunity for Doctor Who to do something really creepy with Venetian history. I have many issues with this episode, not least that the crew got Venetian historian Francesco da Mosto on board for the 'Making of', yet had clearly already finished filming several key scenes before they consulted with him. Where was Venice? Where was the early morning mist rising from the canals? Where were the people walking the streets wearing masks - at this time Carnivale ran for many weeks of the year. We were told early on that the city was supposedly quarantined because of the plague - it would have been easy to create more atmosphere by having a few plague doctors lurking, in their sinister beaky masks. Think how scary they could have been - hell the masked players could have been the aliens, using a convenient Venetian disguise, rather than some flimsy 'perception filter'. That's just the start. A little way into the episode one of the characters rolled a map out onto the table and proudly proclaimed - "There's a tunnel"... wait? what? A tunnel. In Venice. Right - get your snorkel then. I laughed. I laughed again when the Doctor seemed to climb out of a well shaft onto a roof. Venetian wells are closed systems, basically a big pit dug into a courtyard to collect rainwater, and filter it into the well head. There is no way one would appear on any roof, even as a convenient plot device. I'm probably nitpicking now, but the amount of gunpowder packed into that tiny house was enough to bring the entire thing crashing down, not just blow the flimsy wooden shutters open. And finally, with all the publicity last year about real Vampires in Venice, it would have been a very nice touch if one of the skeletal corpses that the doctor found could have had a brick rammed into its mouth. They were mentioned in the 'making of' along with the plague doctors, and I was very disappointed that they didn't feature in the episode. On a positive note, I did appreciate the way the light was filmed They did create the right quality of light reflecting off the buildings, even if everything else about the city felt wrong. Venice is so atmospheric it virtually writes its own plot. It's such a shame that the screenwriters didn't do their research.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 6: Vampires Of Venice review
Posted By Stargazer_7 1 January 16, 2011 07:26:53 PM

This was a beautiful episode with plenty of things to like - the city of Venice, Rory being given a bigger role, an interesting enemy etc., all that was pretty enjoyable. There was one thing that really bothered me though - why didn't the Doctor try to negotiate with the aliens, ask them to move onto some uninhabited world since they already had the females? I mean, he didn't even give them a chance, just went straight on the offensive. That didn't seem consistent with what I've seen of him so far - the Doctor gave second chances time and time again, did everything in his power to prevent bloodshed, he's even shown mercy to the Daleks of all creatures, so what made these particular aliens so horrible and evil beyond redemption? It just seemed off to me.
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