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Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review

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The weeping angels work their magic on the latest Doctor Who episode, Flesh And Stone. Here's our spoiler-filled review...

Published on May 1, 2010


PLEASE NOTE: THIS REVIEW CONTAINS SPOILERS. OUR SPOILER-FREE REVIEW IS HERE.


"That's a fairytale"
"Aren't we all?"

So how about that then for a blockbuster episode of Doctor Who? Never mind the talk of tighter budgets on this year’s Who, Flesh And Stone looked and played out for the vast bulk of its running time as a thrilling and really entertaining Saturday night adventure.

And quite a scary one too.

Lesser writers could have easily recycled their monsters from yesteryear and just dished up more of the seem. Here, Steven Moffat subtlely evolves his weeping angels. The moment near the back of the episode where they start to move was utterly, utterly creepy, and throughout the episode, he still manages to generate jumps from creatures who had seemingly gone through their playbook last time we met them. How about suddenly taking a cleric in a headlock, for instance? A brilliant moment, terrifically executed.

Then there’s the angel in Amy’s eye. The simple weaving in of a countdown into Amy’s dialogue was great for starters (be honest: how far into it did get before you realised she was counting down?), but as it became clear the angel was inside her, it was played out to terrific effect.

Take that little effects shot of the angel literally in her eye – was it just us that found it really unsettling? And then the fact that she had to sit with her eyes closed, in utter isolation, knowing the angels were around her? Even appreciating the clumsy bit where she dropped the walkie talkie, this was terrific drama, that the writers of every other Saturday night drama need to sit down and watch.

And what’s with the Doctor explicitly telling Amy she’s dying, in such a matter of fact way? Matt Smith continues to excel in his portrayal of a Doctor who is by turns angry, erratic, occasionally ineffective and yet brilliant. The Troughton comparison is not going away, and having such an emotionally unhinged Doctor is a great dynamic to sit at the heart of the show. At one point here, we had him pretty much bellowing at people. For such a generally friendly character, it was surprising and very effective.

But then the Doctor had a lot to bellow about here. The angels were coming in droves, and then there was that aforementioned outstanding moment where you realised Amy was counting down, in a non-flashy, very matter of fact way. Once you twigged what she was doing, you knew that more trouble was coming.

And it came in the form of the crack on the wall.

Full credit again must go here to Steven Moffat for this. The series had attracted a little bit of criticism for the not-very-subtle layering of the cracks in previous episodes, and there was an assumption that we’d be getting them for 12 weeks before we got an answer.

But not so. Instead, Moffat makes that crack a pivotal part of the resolution of this episode, and starts dealing with the greater underlying arc of the series even before it reaches the half-way point (in some ways, Flesh And Stone did actually have a feel of a series finale). In doing so, he helps us understand the threat, but hasn’t yet shown how it’s going to be resolved. Throw in the fact that Power Rangers Daleks are still out there somewhere, and it’s two adventures running where the Doctor may just have ultimately won an empty victory.

The crack serves its purpose here nonetheless, both in directing the narrative firmly towards Amy – and we’ll come back to her in a minute – and also in forcing the Doctor to address some issues of time. Could time run out? Can it change? Can it be rewritten? Something seems to be happening, for that crack in time takes out the angels, and appears to be at the heart of the reason that memories are disappearing. Time will tell, we're guessing, just what's causing it.

The time energy, if you were being really picky, turns out to be a very sudden way to take out the weeping angels, and there’s almost a feeling of two episodes here, one that stops very quickly dead after 35 minutes (and everything did seem to be resolved very quickly), and one that eats up the last ten.

But for the first two thirds, this was a terrific blockbuster piece of Saturday night television, and brilliant Doctor Who, packed with snappy lines and escalating levels of excitement.

If there was a slight disappointment it's where River Song is concerned. Clearly she’s going to be coming back again at some point in the future, but she didn’t really aid the story particularly here – she was certainly nowhere near as involved as she was back in Forest Of The Dead, for instance – and was relegated to being another assistant at points.

However, she did drop major hints that she killed the Doctor. Could that be the spoiler that she’s been warning us about? Possibly, but we don’t quite buy it. Here’s hoping we get more answers when she returns. That’ll be when the ‘pandorica’ opens by the sounds of it (first mentioned in The Eleventh Hour if memory serves), whatever and whenever that proves to be.

So let’s, then, deal with the most contentious part of Flesh And Stone, that epilogue at the end, which we just happened to really like, especially given how much it shakes up Amy's character.

There were rumours before the series started that Amy was to have a bit of promiscuity about here, and while you couldn’t say they were realised, she was certainly keen to have her way with the Doctor. It was an odd scene in ways (and granted, it came following one of the more terrifying situations that a Doctor Who assistant has had to go through alone), although we were glad to get back to why she ran away from her wedding so easily back in The Eleventh Hour.

There’s a mirror, of course, to the Donna Noble story here. A wedding? Hints that she’s pivotal in some way to a problem the universe is facing? That sounds familiar, certainly. But there are clearly surprises up Amy’s sleeve yet. She’s not followed the Donna Noble template as a character thus far, and we don’t expect her to start now.

What we do expect is for that basecode, which is dated to 26th June 2010, to become a huge part of where the series is going. That date, if our calculations are correct, is the day when the 13th and final episode of the series is due to be broadcast (unless there’s the usual Eurovision break, in which case it’ll mark the first episode of the end two-parter). More clues are likely to be coming in due course, and they're not all likely to be overt as that crack in the wall.

We might not have long to wait for more information either if that episode ending is anything to go by. For once again, one Doctor Who episode looks like it’s going to loop into another here. It's certainly left open one or two intriguing narrative threads, and as we leave the Doctor and Amy for another week, it really looks as if the weight of the universe is on their shoulders.

In short, a terrific, terrific 45 minutes of television.

Next week? It’s Vampires In Venice, an episode that some seem to be writing of already for some reason. We’ll see you back here to talk about it all pans out next Saturday…

Our review of last week's episode, The Time Of Angels, is here.

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Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Dutchface 1 May 1, 2010 06:19:37 PM

Oh Doctor... why push her off? why? I now think I might be slightly in love with Amy

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By B_Ramsay 1 May 1, 2010 06:21:36 PM

Am I the only one then who is fed up with the Doctor's assistants falling for him? One of the better aspects of Donna's character was that she wasn't interested in him in that way. It feels to me like going over an old plot. That aside I enjoyed the episode, although the Weeping Angels do become less threatening when you see them dancing in Confidential the week before :D

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By 04BennettCH 1 May 1, 2010 06:22:47 PM

That was a brilliant episode, The acting was excellent and im not ashamed to say that I did jump a bit at times. I cant believe that this series was supposed to be more kid centric, it was one of the most mature episodes I have seen, the permanent threat of death that is usually missing and a rather saucy ending. This could become the best of the new series to date!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 1, 2010 06:23:09 PM

I found the episode thrilling and brilliant....yet strangely unsatisfying. I love the twist of the crack, the series Big Bad sort of, or at least clue and I'm betting something's going to explode in the series finale. The mystery of River Song deepens; did she kill the Doctor? Must've been for a good reason. Will she return for the series finale? She said she'd meet him in Pandorica. Amy with her eyes closed was terrifying, Matt Smith's Doctor working things out, using talking to let his mind run and I loved his smug reaction when he realized how he was going to win. It helped that I had figured it out myself by that point. The 'gravity' of the situation. Heh. Very clever indeed. The Moff cleverly subverts all the tragic time traveller's wife stuff by letting Amy jump the Doctor whilst he's pointing all that stuff out and she doesn't care. "Who...I want." Does she know he's called Doctor Who then? I hope the ending will be resolved, not like the ending of Victory of the Daleks. I wonder how they'll retcon the crack into the history of the show? Suddenly Sunnydale Syndrom proves to be a vital plot point! But why did the commander from Waters of Mars remember the Daleks then? I hope they don't kill off Matt Smith's Doctor soon. Who the hell is River Song, really?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By TomBeasley 1 May 1, 2010 06:23:55 PM

That was one of the best Who episodes ever. I wasn't particularly enamoured with last week's episode because it seemed to be far too geared to setting up this week, almost forgetting to be good in its own right. This week's episode however was as near to perfect as a Doctor Who episode has been since we last saw the Weeping Angels in Blink.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By jeffjones 1 May 1, 2010 06:24:22 PM

Gotta say that the fact that you never see the angels move was one of the creepiest parts of 'Blink', seeing them move here kind of spoilt it for me. Nice braces work from Matt Smith at the end, you just don't see that kind of thing much anymore.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By matthewsouthcott 1 May 1, 2010 06:24:42 PM

Have to say this could possibly be Matt Smiths best episode, love how unlevelled and unpredictable his Doctor is at times. I agree the Troughton comparison is there as is early McCoy too, is very refreshing from Tennants Doctor. I think the kissing scene at the end was at odds with the rest of this series (although purposely I think), am liking how this series is shaping up.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By 04BennettCH 1 May 1, 2010 06:25:21 PM

Any way I think the reason that Amy was coming on to the doctor was a mix of stress (she almost dies) and escapism from her own wedding. I doubt that it was simply thrown in to get all the dads hot under the collar (although I certainly was) I love Amy!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Doenutty 1 May 1, 2010 06:26:55 PM

Great episode, and I agree it felt a bit like a finale, the major problem from the first episode being wrapped up once a much bigger problem came along. It was amusing seeing Amy jump all over the Doctor, like other companions she -oh god, for want of a better word- fancies him, but whereas the others took time and fell in love it seems the Doctor who has been in Amy's life since she was seven means that she has been thinking about him for a lot longer than most. Last fling before the wedding? And then the realisation that the date of her wedding is in fact the important date. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 1, 2010 06:53:56 PM

I do have to admit that although the moving Angels looked really creepy, I preferred to think of them as formless. As they said in the first part: 'what if ideas can escape? what if our dreams don't need us anymore?' I thought the Angels, when you don't see them, were like concepts, beings of abstract energy, formless an idea that can take over someone's mind, not a statue that moves. And the idea that they turn into statue because of instinct and not an actual trigger of sight ruined the entire premise of not blinking. It would've meant that the Angels could move regardless of being looked at. Of course, being ideas, maybe they thought Amy was watching them...but then why move as statues and not formless? Oh well. Still really creepy. I'll never look at a statue the same again. Or mimes.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Omniaural 1 May 1, 2010 07:02:09 PM

This series hasn't been nearly as patchy as as the first four seasons showing what a difference the showrunner makes. I'm guessing Moffat must be slightly more involved in helping other writers hit the right beats in the characters and the overarching plot. I love the development of the Weeping Angels too. That doesn't mean I want to see them back too soon though. This series does feel like it hangs together better as a whole whilst telling a decent standalone story. I hope it continues!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By gingeryoda 1 May 1, 2010 07:31:35 PM

Absolutely loved it.Right new theory,as the eye(same as in TEH) is visible on monitor when river talks to doctor,is amy actually an escaped prisoner,with no memory?apparently eye is also in VODT but can't find it.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Deggsy 1 May 1, 2010 07:33:04 PM

So... I’m the only one then who doesn’t care one bit for Matt Smith as the Doctor? Label me an old fuddy-duddy if you like, but it would be inaccurate; though Tom Baker was my first Doctor and will remain my favourite, I’ve enjoyed the subsequent ones to varying degrees. Probably because every one of them has tried to make their own interpretation on the character, both in terms of costume and personality, that was different from the one who came before. Even Colin Bleeding Baker, for his faults, was at least distinctive. I don’t get that from Matt Smith. From a distance he could be easily mistaken for David Tennant, as if they wanted to be ready to make extra Matt Smith dolls out of leftover Tennant ones. And up close, Smith’s interpretation matches Tennant’s, the difference being Smith doesn’t have the acting chops to project the gravitas or depth I’d expect from such a character (he must surely be among the least experienced of the eleven or twelve Doctors we’ve seen in movies and TV). He’s like a sixth-former portraying the Doctor in an am-dram play, and all he knows is Tennant’s performances, and his youth means he has no confidence in making his own interpretation. And there’s very little in the production to keep me watching. The mystique of the Weeping Angels from Blink is lost here, as they get a voice, and a reinterpretation of their natures which ruins them (so they *can* move if someone isn’t watching them after all? And so they can be fooled, like a character in Looney Tunes?). Every episode I’ve seen cranks it up to 11 halfway through, until I feel like I’m being mugged by the soundtrack alone, and then peters out. Oh and look, the next one has vampires. We don’t get enough vampires on TV these days...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By procrastinationathon 1 May 1, 2010 07:59:57 PM

"We don’t get enough vampires on TV these days..." seeing as these look like they are to be of the unempathetic buck fanged nosferatu variety then no, no we don't.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By tombombadil66 1 May 1, 2010 08:00:49 PM

Loving every minute of it. Matt Smith is the best Doctor of this millennium. This feels so much more involving than the RTD years. I think the series could start to get more layered from now on. Long live the Moff.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 1, 2010 08:06:13 PM

I have to disagree, Deggsy, I think the character of the Doctor is approached much differently in style and acting then David Tennant's Doctor, especially in this episode. I was flabbergasted in how helpless the Doctor seemed, trying to work things out desperately, shouting at River, thinking while he speaks, focusing on words. The Tenth Doctor really seemed to know what he was doing most of the time, even if he didn't. Ten was brooding underneath the surface and only lit up when he figured it out or when he trapped his enemy exactly where he wanted them (or himself) to be. Eleven has the same qualities, yes (but less), well because he's the Doctor. Also with the scene where he's comforting Amy I think David Tennant would've made much more of a speech of how marvellous she is to boost her morale and Matt was more harsh and crude until he came back and kissed her on the forehead. If he hadn't done that I really wouldve hated him, but instead he was brilliant. Both cold and compassionate and clumsy and arrogant. The way he fights off Amy's advances in the end was hilarious. Amy really has issues (with abandonment, with sex) but she makes a great companion.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Kikishua 1 May 1, 2010 08:22:10 PM

Everytime a companion kisses a Doctor I find myself shouting at the tv: "You're snogging William Hartnell!". Not so romantic now, is it!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By procrastinationathon 1 May 1, 2010 09:31:05 PM

:D i shall write down kikishua's comment and save it for posterity.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By explodingzebras 1 May 1, 2010 09:35:55 PM

Most of my favourite episodes have been Moffett written ones, hence why i think this series is looking to be better than when RTD was running it. The only thing that does get on my tits is River Song, I don't find her very convincing, she just seems like a big chinned bimbo to me like scary spice, not a scientist or a Doctor.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Mawson 1 May 1, 2010 10:01:42 PM

Great episode, I loved every minute of it. Deggsy, Tom Baker was my first Doctor too. So I understand your comparison. The comments you make about Colin Baker I also understand if you've only seen his on screen stuff as The Doctor. I suggest you get hold of some of his work with Big Finish. These days Colin Baker has become one of my favourite doctors on the strength of his audio outings.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Geordie2004 1 May 1, 2010 10:47:54 PM

1) Overall, great episode. 2) The countdown was far, far from subtle; I spotted it pretty much straightaway. 3) I am NOT a fan of the romantic subplot. It's been far too rushed for me. Okay, okay, it may turn out to be just a one episode deal, but I still think it's unnecessary, and it's not like this is the first time we've seen it done either, is it?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Slacker 1 May 1, 2010 11:38:22 PM

Really enjoyed this episode. (The Amy 'attraction' does concern me, but I'm willing to see where Moffy is taking it).Matt has stepped into the Doctors shoes with such ease, a fantastic bit of casting!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By revolution 1 May 1, 2010 11:45:25 PM

A good conclusion to last weeks episode and one must admit to being slightly disappointed. Great to see the relevance of the crack being acknowledged but it served to offer a rather cheap means to resolving the imminent threat from the Angels. Matt Smith was once again excellent as the doctor - his interpretation as being both arrogant, clumsy and often struggling to cope with his surrounds is a stark contrast to Tennants often overly smug, assured doctor. Both different, both good but in subtle ways. Wasn't too sure about the whole Amy jumping onto the doctor - tho for many out there that was probably a fantasy come true! The whole series looks set to revolve around her existence causing the rupture and crack in time. The teasers from River also suggest she ultimately plays a part in killing the doctor - in some form or another - perhaps a previous incarnation or ending his existence within an alternate reality? Much to ponder and really looking forward to the how this season will ultimately play out. Not overly excited by next weeks vampires in venice show - we are somewhat overloaded with vampire related guff atm what with twilight, true blood etc surely the writes could have gone for something more original or alternative...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By speakillkid 1 May 1, 2010 11:46:25 PM

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Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By speakillkid 1 May 1, 2010 11:53:28 PM

To Deggsy I admit there are qualities of Teenant's Doctor that Matt has adopted but there were also qualities of Eccleston theat Tennant addopted, the rapid fire mood switches, the big smile with that bouncy energy, that was all Eccleston. Yes, T. Smith had the smile but he never had that high energy feel about him when he was happy. Matt seems more like a throwback Doctor with a bit of Troughton and McCoy about him with the academic feel of Hartnell but without being passive. Plust the vampire thing is just a bad argument vampire stories have always been a part of our culture and entertainment, each decade has it's vamp craze so really vamps, plus, Tom Baker had his vamp episode with State of Decay.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By orangewarrior 1 May 2, 2010 12:20:35 AM

Seems a theory is emerging that there were 2 different Doctors in the Forest - from Gallifrey Base.. "when the doctor river and octavion leave amy, and the "doctor" comes back some how with his jacket on. its the doctor from the finale" "When the doctor river and octavion leave the doctor says later pond. but then comes back and has the speech about remebering but if you look closely he has he sleeves rolled up and his brown jacket on. but it was taken off by the angels." of course, it could just be a continuity gaffe, since there have been a couple of those already this year, but knowing Moffats tendency to play with Timey Wimey, and also the weight of that particular conversation, its not entirely unfeasible.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By stueyd67 1 May 2, 2010 01:33:50 AM

Please, please, please....'No hanky-panky in the TARDIS.' Getting slightly pissed off with it now.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 May 2, 2010 07:22:04 AM

Yes. Good, good episode. Especially good, now that OrangeWarrior brought the weird rolled-up sleeve thing to my attention. If that's not a gaffe, it's just massively slick. :) - - - And I agree with Mawson. I never really dug Colin Baker on TV, but his Big Finish work has really done wonders for my opinion of his portrayal (as well as Davidson!).

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By cremebrulay 1 May 2, 2010 07:31:20 AM

i strongly suspect that all these 'continuety gaffes' as people are calling them are part of an overall plot design. after all, have we not already seen several flashbacks and suchlike already, showing that the writers are not afraid to mess with continuety a bit. also did not mr moff say that he wanted a more fairytale feel to the shows and in fairytales things are all over the place. also i think that he has been very clever in slowly changing the feel of the show away from the rtd style and morphing into his own, rather than doing it wholesale in one go. after all rtd had the luxury of re-booting a show that had not been on in donkeys. me, i'm loving this new series, its fun, dark, clever and it genuinely makes me want to watch more and i cant wait for next saturday. also i lioke the romance thing as its far more real than the rose-doctor stuff we were forced to endure season after season. at least amy is honest and admits she just wants a shag. and why not. now that would make for interesting tea-time viewing with the kids lol!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Jenni 1 May 2, 2010 07:34:00 AM

Okay, it's taken 6 episodes, but i think i'm converted to Matt Smith. I mean i'm not going to be rushing out and replacing my Tennant poster any time soon but for the first time last night i had a dream with Smith being the doc! And i know you're all moaning about the snog, but if you met a time traveller you'd totally want to do him too, don't deny it!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Swarley 1 May 2, 2010 08:00:31 AM

I've realised what it is I love about Smith compared to the last two modern doctors; it's that he's so delightfully British. Tennant and Eccleston were solid but had a too modern look and sound, which made them seem too human. Onto this episode though, as expected minute 1-37 was great, thrilling, a little bit chilling and answered all our question with more questions in a way only a Moffat written Adam Smith directed episode could, BUT the last five minute 'almost' really annoyed me, the scene where Amy goes to kiss the doctor almost had me spewing, the best thing about Amy was that whilst she respected the doctor it was almost like a sibling like relationship, but this scene shattered that. It did need to be there though maybe not in that way but it did help to prelude the future of the series. I’m hoping that Moffat leaves it as a bit of cold feet and we don’t see any more scenes like this one. After all that though the doctor really confirmed that he was NOT human, and that is what made me only get mildly annoyed. Mind you the five minutes had a couple of golden lines from Amy. Doctor: “I’m a 907 year old do you understand what that means?” Amy “it’s been a while” And Doctor: “The single most important thing in the history of the universe is that I get you sorted out right now” Amy: “That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you!”

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By roncook 1 May 2, 2010 08:13:14 AM

OK at the risk of the DW fan club seeking me out and casting me into the time wastes, I have to say - FINALLY! Finally we got the episode I was hoping Matt would give us. Finally Amy turned in a performance that I really enjoyed and finally there was a storyline which actually had me on the edge of my seat! Like some of the other posters, I was a bit disappointed at River's performance; not quite the character she was in her first appearance but still good. Reservations about the usual parade of disposable soldiers - remnded me of the first of the Ood stories. I liked Amy actually trying to seduce the Doctor, it made sense, given what we know of her, that if she fancied him she might make it plain. His reaction was a bit odd given Rose in previous episodes. I am not at all convinced we have seen the last of the crack though. Best line had to be the Doctor's Donna inspired "I bloody love you!" to River. All in all a significant step up in my opinion.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By scarimor 1 May 2, 2010 08:20:50 AM

River Song saved Amy. She fixed the teleport and pulled her from certain death at the (literal) hands of the Angels - after the Doctor told her she'd never fix it. Oh how the Doctor so swiftly glossed that over...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By DamonD 1 May 2, 2010 09:44:38 AM

Enjoyed this two-parter immensely. The Guardian calling it 'the greatest episode ever' is silly purple hyperbole, but it was very good and the best story so far this season. Certainly shows up Victory as the dull thud of a story it was. Roll on the vampires!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By speakillkid 1 May 2, 2010 10:08:49 AM

To the people angry about sexualizing the Doctor remember the first Doctor (Hartnell) was putting the moves on an Aztec chick in the episode The Aztecs

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By speakillkid 1 May 2, 2010 10:09:20 AM

To the people angry about sexualizing the Doctor remember the first Doctor (Hartnell) was putting the moves on an Aztec chick in the episode The Aztecs

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By scarimor 1 May 2, 2010 10:52:37 AM

The Doctor's reappearing jacket is giving me Timey Wimey wobblies. Red-haired Amy is red-haired Donna's mirror where the Doctors sexuality is concerned. For Donna it was a case of "Not likely, sunshine". For Amy it's "I just want a shag, who said anything about romance?" Both very welcome respite from tedious yearning. River, River... you like wearing those handcuffs a little too much, honey :) And she saved Amy when the Doctor couldn't! Have we ever seen that kind of thing before? *rattles memory*.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 May 2, 2010 12:02:11 PM

A good episode, but I can't help feeling it could have been so much better. It still felt very much like a set-up story - lots more questions than answers. I thought changing the powers of the angels was probably a mistake - sending someone back in time is so much more interesting than breaking their necks! I thought that perhaps given the angels connection with time energy that they might have something to do with the crack, but I don't think so now. I still haven't warmed to Matt Smith, but he is getting better. Next week's episode is going to be a big test to see how the series copes with other writers. I really hope Victory of the Daleks was a blip that we will not see again. I am looking forward to the Van Gogh episode.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By LittleTime 1 May 2, 2010 01:42:12 PM

The Doctor wasn't really 'sexualised' as he resisted Amy's desparate advances and also stated his determination to 'sort her out'. Watching him react cluelessly to her flirting was priceless.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By mkata 1 May 2, 2010 02:07:40 PM

Yes, what he told her when she was seven that she has to remember is almost certainly after he goes back to the seven year old Amy Pond towards the end of "the eleventh hour" - seven year old Amemila is sitting there waiting for him to return after five minutes and we hear the tardis arriving, even though everything else says that he didn't return at that time. So at some point in a future episode he returns to seven year old Amelia and tells her something she has to remember, then returns to Flesh and Stone to tell her to remember it. Presumably the act of remembering plays some part in healing the cracks in time, since he says that what matters is not what he said, but that she remembers it.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By cordas2 1 May 2, 2010 02:19:47 PM

I am actually quite angry about this episode as they threw logic and continuity out the window in pursuit of 'drama'. The idea that you can 'pretend' to see Angles with your eyes closed and that they will respond is a real jump the shark moment, it makes the Angels irrelevant as a foe. Never mind the fact that Angels fled long before blind Amy started stumbling towards the Dr. so why on earth did they stop and wait for to catch up with them....

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By mkata 1 May 2, 2010 02:50:51 PM

The thing about the "pretend you can see them" is that something very similar could have eben done so much better. "Quantum locking" should be about observation, not about 'sight' as such - if you can observe them then they're locked in stone. Observation via a handheld device making noises intepreted by the holder can make sense as a way of locking them, but of course that's likely to be pretty clumsy even if you're used to trying to 'see' with a device like that and murderously difficult if you're not. So imagine a couple of angels, with Amy desperately pointing the device in their general direction, frantically trying to interpret the output from the device well enough to 'see' the angels and thus qantum lock them, while keeping her eyes tight closed and backing away through a forest.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Zokko 1 May 2, 2010 03:21:38 PM

The 'Weeping Angels' two parter was an incredible disappointment. It was basically 'The Waters Of Mars' with different monsters. No more 'River Song' please! And Amy trying to shag the Doctor...words fail me! What medication are you on, Moffat?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By shruggy63 1 May 2, 2010 03:59:56 PM

For 'Time can be re-written.' read 'Plot conveniences'?

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Posted By Norris 1 May 2, 2010 04:37:30 PM

Good to see the Doctor managed to avoid Amy's crack...

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Posted By TheTeacher 1 May 2, 2010 07:11:37 PM

All in all I'm very pleased with this series. This was episode 5 and it had a sort of urgency that in the previous seasons only episode 11 or 12 had to offer. I wonder what's in store for us over the course of the next weeks (hopefully without that bloody Eurovision break). Even after such a short time, I can definitely say that I'm a very big fan of Smith's doctor.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By cptjackharkness 1 May 2, 2010 08:49:07 PM

My gut tells me that Amy is going to die at the end of this season. i hate to say that i love her but this whole amy date stuff and how the doctor is saying that it centers around her i feel we are in for a painfull end for her i hope i am wrong but something in my gut says i am right sorry. over i loved the ep i dont buy for one min at all that river is going to kill the doctor i think they want you to believe that but i feel no way at all

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Lachesis 1 May 2, 2010 11:04:20 PM

I loved the episode and its my favourite story of this season and fave since Blink at the very least least.... but there were problems, notably the shift in focus from the Angels to the Crack seemed to defeat the build up and detract from the awesome Angels lore that was unfolding. River just melded into the background far too readily, and most significantly 'the crack' brings with it enormous causal consequences that were completely ignored (the cleric River was entrusted to, would cease to have ever existed effectively unwriting the entire mission that involved the Doctor and so much more)...The romantic/promicuous epilogue was just about ok but just seems more of the damage that RTD began. Sorry to list the negatives but listing the positives would take far too long.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By gakirin 1 May 3, 2010 02:53:08 AM

So on your wedding night to the not-as-good-looking-one, your dream man arrives, young as ever, takes you away to far off adventures, and acts as a gentlemen all the while, rescuing you from danger dashingly. As a female myself, I cannot think of a woman who would not jump that. At the end of the day, you have to wonder why Rose and Martha never made a pass at him in the first place. And I ADORE that she said NOT "long-term". Now, I understand that in the past, companions were not so tarty. But this is the modern day and Amy is a modern girl. And we don't all just wait around for someone to take an interest. Sometimes we pursue. This is not a show for small children alone, and attraction is part of life. Get over it.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By Viridis 1 May 3, 2010 07:22:52 AM

I don't think we've seen the last of River Song. In this series or the next. And I don't think Amy simply wanted to shag the Doctor. She CHOSE him over her fiancee. She wanted him, because he's exciting and brave and clever and her fiancee Rory is kind of bland and he's set up to be too. The Doctor even remarks; the pretty one or the other one? The other one. Heh. Amy fits perfectly in the line of companions who feel out of place and alien to their own surroundings, whether it be as the ignored middle child (Martha), the girl who wants more than to just work in a shop (Rose), even Donna was always looking for something else, to escape from her own life through marriage, growing tired of hunting petty jobs in offices. The Doctor convinced her to travel, be active, but the world was too small for her mind. Now Amy is the Scottish girl in the English village, left to her own devices by her aunt. Little did her aunt know that there was an interdimensional crack in her wall. Maybe the Tardis was drawn to it. She does have a way of bringing the Doctor to the places he needs to be...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By jodief1 1 May 3, 2010 02:43:16 PM

Very enjoyable episode, but it felt quite rushed to me, as have all the s.5 episodes so far: I've had to rewind to catch obscure dialogue/plot points multiple times in each show, far more often than I did in the Days of RTD. (I'd like to think I'm not generally slow on the uptake; Amy's countdown registered immediately, for instance.) I like Smith well enough but find there's very little to identify with in his character - I assume this is the quality that people associate with Troughton and "alienness" in general. Perhaps for that reason, I see ZERO chemistry between the Doctor and Amy; both characters (+ River Song, for that matter) just seem zany to me, almost sociopathically brilliant, constantly making connections beyond the ordinary human experience. Indeed, none of Moffat's main characters (I'm thinking also of "Blink" and "Library/FOTD") have ever seemed to have real, emotional connections with one another (or with anyone else, for that matter) -- and whenever the Doctor and Amy try to connect or sympathise with others, as with Bracewell in VOTD, their efforts seem hollow and saccharine. The snog in F&S therefore seemed to me to be totally mechanical, completely different from the genuine affection we saw between 9/10 and Rose, and it served mainly to remind me (as others have noted) that Amy has got some SERIOUS issues. It also pointed up the cluelessness of MS's Doctor: in TEH, Amy asked him why he wanted her to join him, and she *seemed* perfectly satisfied with his non-answer ("you're lonely"). But he's never thought to ask her the same question, not even now he's learned what she's left behind. He'd better start asking the right questions, and soon! BTW, I don't necessarily *need* "human" characters in Who, pining after each other and their dead planets and such, but the series had better be willing to embrace them for what they are instead of forcing them into more stultifying Bracewell/crying children moments and snogs.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By jodief1 1 May 3, 2010 03:25:13 PM

[NB: I suppose other Geeks will point out that the Doctor pegged Amy early on as the Scottish girl in an English village, and that he might consider that stereotype a proper explanation for her wanting to tag along. Well, I don't, and I'm not sure that Moffat does either: something is very definitely fishy (if not rotten) in the state of Amy. In any event, this issue of her motivation(s) is another instance of this Doctor's not-caring-to-delve-beneath-the-emotional-surface. So far, anyway.]

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By daniel_g 1 May 3, 2010 04:32:07 PM

I felt that the Weeping Angels were more effective when you didn't see them move. Watching them turn to follow Amy took away some of the mystery around them. For instance, not meaning to nitpick, in Blink, the Doctor explains that they turn to stone when being observed. Looks like they are stone all the time... Otherwise an excellent episode. Next week looks like good, silly fun. Can't wait.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By spikey_p 1 May 3, 2010 07:18:24 PM

Russell, I hope you're paying attention there, fella - that's how characters behave when someone kisses them on the mouth against their will and that's what you've supposed to have been writing for the last 5 years! And this is from the guy who wrote Curse of the Fatal Death, so don't pretend you couldn't have done that too! Seagal, I'm looking in your direction too (although, I'm fairly sure that in your case you didn't know any better). One thing about the Ninth and Tenth Doctors that was always so incredibly tacky... For the loneliest man in all of creation, he certainly seemed to get off with a lot of people...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By spikey_p 1 May 3, 2010 07:30:18 PM

Good riddance to the magic word mega-arcs... Bad Wolf was novel and genuinely baffling but had a totally stupid, empty explanation that insulted the audience; Torchwood we knew about from the start and wedging the references into the future episodes was just jarring; Mr Saxon and YANA made it easy to guess the upcoming twists; The Medusa Cascade, disappering bees and lost planets was probably the best effort (although I'm still a bit annoyed by the bees bit). And the song that will end soon was so obvious, even the Doctor worked it out and followed the clues. 7 more weeks of cracks appearing in the wall just aa the Doctor pops out to the shops would have been really grating. Having Amy's life move forward past the Doctor so quickly in the way that it has, plus what is know of episode 6 and 7 suggests that perhaps she will choose to marry the boy... And the Doctor seems to want to make it happen. He's obviously learnt his lesson after completely ruining Mickey Smith's life for over 5 years (10, including time spent in PetesWorld)and STILL picking on him. I predict Pond will be back in the TARDIS, full time but only after taking a break to try the ordinary life out for a bit for once. He probably feels he owes her that much.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By alexwlchan 1 May 3, 2010 07:31:49 PM

Excellent episode, really enjoyed it, and the plot hung together. After five years of RTD's plot lines, which were held together with a kettle and some string (a DW line, but I can't remember where from), it is such a relief to have coherent story lines back. One thing I spotted - around the 28/29th minute, there's a graphic on the screen River's looking at that's a set of blue concentric circles, one within the other, that looked a bit like an eye, and it was moving around the screen, like an eye looking around, a bit like the Atraxi eye flitting around in The Eleventh Hour. I'll be interested to see if that plays into something significant.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By HampsteadNick 1 May 3, 2010 07:40:22 PM

loved the episode, great all round..really taken to River Song now... what do we know about her now she has been in 4 eps? 1. The River Song we have just seen was an earlier version than the one from Silence/Forest. 2. She says, she is a complicated space time event 3.She can fly the tardis and was taught by the best, joking or not that it wasnt by the doc 4.She has killed a good man, the best man she has ever kown. 5. She has knowledge of the pandorica and its events 6. According to the Bishop she is not too be trusted and when asked if she can be trusted by the Doc she says if u like but where is the fun in that. 7. She has pics of all the docs regenerations and can write Old High Gallifreyan. So other than the obvious suppositions, docs wife/girlfriend/lover/concubine or Timelady/Romana/Rani, just who is River Song?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By joereiter 1 May 3, 2010 08:51:53 PM

not sure if anyone else has mentioned this as far as amy goes, but in the victory of the daleks episode, when she approaches bracewell as he holds the gun, that geiger-counter starts flipping out when she stands in front of it not really sure if it means anything ultimately, but just something i realized watching it again in the US over the weekend

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By jodief1 1 May 4, 2010 12:32:57 AM

@joe: Nice point! I've said it elsewhere, and I'll say it here: I'm also beginning to suspect that our unhumanly plucky Amy (see above for my argument that both she and the Dr are more than a little sociopathic) is some sort of "unearthly child" after all. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that she's another android bomb planted by the Daleks, or perhaps by the Master, to tear the very veil of time and space on her wedding day...but if that should turn out to be the case, you heard it here first. ;) Copyright --> me.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 5: Flesh And Stone review
Posted By paulo1980 1 May 5, 2010 08:44:09 PM

Just a though Amy POND - River song could there be a connection with the water names???
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