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Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?

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Our Ashes To Ashes speculation continues, as we try to get to the bottom of what happened to Sam Tyler...

Published on Apr 29, 2010

In conjunction with the fine people over at The Railway Arms, we've been considering an assortment of theories for just how the back end of Ashes To Ashes' final season is going to pan out. Yesterday, we looked into just who Gene Hunt actually is, and you can find the link for that at the bottom of the article.

For here, it's time to dig back into the world of Sam Tyler. Just what happened to him? Here come the theories - which as usual are based on the episodes already broadcast, so there are no spoilers if you're up to date with the show...

Sam Tyler Is Dead

It makes sense to start with the obvious one here. Even though we never actually saw the demise of Sam Tyler proven on screen, it could well be safe to assume that, for all the teasing in the current series of Ashes, Tyler is nonetheless pushing up daisies.

That's certainly the line of thought that Railway Arms forum member Attala is following. They reckon that Tyler committed suicide in 2007 - as we saw at the end of Life On Mars' second series - but that "his brain is alive for 7 minutes, then he dies for real and he disappears from the coma world". The theory then runs that "in those last few moments he's alive in the coma world. In 1980, Annie is in danger undercover; she wanted to impress the guv. This leads to Sam's death in the river; maybe he wanted to save Annie's life." Thus, Sam died in Gene's car, because someone mistakes him for Hunt. That sounds really quite plausible from where we're sitting, too, and would account for the moral problems that appear to be rocking Gene Hunt's world.

But what if Sam Tyler took his own life? That's the theory of antiquarian, who writes that "either he got involved with MI5, or he did something that could be construed as a crime (manslaughter) and Gene helped him go into hiding". Again, that accounts for how tightly woven Gene Hunt is into Tyler's demise.

Mrs Hunt subscribes to the Tyler death theory too. "He's dead in 2006," she argues, "and has also now 'moved on' from Gene's world - hence no body being found."

And ClaireM is equally succinct and reasoned: "He woke up, he knew Gene wasn't real, he killed himself. End of. He was depressed anyway - happy people don't do what he did."

That's a fair point.

Drake & Tyler Might Be The Same Person

However, what if the hints running through Ashes To Ashes are pointing to the idea that - in true Flash Gordon/Brian Blessed voice - Tyler's alive!?

That's certainly what fmorgan thinks, arguing that "we didn't have a body and he was conveniently explained away as soon as Alex arrived". Both of these points are absolutely true. So where's it all going? "This is more linked to the bigger picture as I believe, that Sam never emerged from his coma but it continued in the form of Alex. Why or how, I'm not sure but the Gene Loves Sam graffiti doesn't mean Gene does love Sam, but could be a distancing technique for Alex." Could, therefore, Alex and Tyler be the same person somehow?

There's More Tyler Story To Tell

This is pretty much a given, but it's worth remembering that the original hope for Life On Mars was that there'd be a third series, which would have extended the character arc of Sam Tyler by eight more episodes. Now, it's known that the third series of LoM would have concentrated more on Gene Hunt, but as it turned out, John Simm had availability problems that curtailed the Life On Mars story. However, it's arguable that the writing team nonetheless had further Tyler storylines in their heads, and perhaps they're going to weave at least one more of those in later this series.

Sam Tyler Will Reappear This Series

Remember when John Simm finished his stint as the Master in Doctor Who's third revived series? It was said, after that, he wouldn't be retuning to the series, only he did. Just saying.

It's All Jim Keats' Fault

We like blaming DCI Jim Keats, whose own presence in the series we'll be coming to next week. But what if, argues OscarPapaRomeo, Keats - or someone like him - knew Sam Tyler? What if Keats manipulated Tyler into revealing the truth to Gene Hunt? And then convinced him that he had to commit suicide? "He then told Gene all about his plans, and Gene tried to tell him he was insane but Sam drove his car in the river and that's why Gene's angry at him because he abandoned them all." Now, that's some mighty fine speculation work.

Sam Tyler was a copper who went undercover in the 80s and lost his way and forgot for a while who he really was. When he did he found himself in Gene's world and decided to stay there. However he found out about Gene's secret, as realised the facts did not add up about Gene and who he said he was. Gene and him rowed about this and Gene was afraid he would tell the chief. It turned out that some guys in a jewellery blag might have known something about the original murder of the real Gene Hunt. Sam chased after them to get the truth from them before Gene turned up - however his car overturned and he went into the river where he died. Gene was distraught and felt guilty for his friends' death, as wish he had admitted to the truth to his friend so he did not feel he had to risk his life to get information. He decided to leave Manchester. - lindalove

Gene Helped Sam Escape

Mothgirl is one of a few who buy the idea that Gene Hunt has somehow helped Sam Tyler disappear. In her words, "It became clear to certain branches of the secret services that Sam was a visitor from the future, and could be of use to them. Gene had always been suspicious of Sam given his odd nature, and Sam reminded Gene all too much of vague memories and torment he would rather forget. Gene saw the danger Sam was in, though, and together they devised this plan to make Sam disappear in order that he could be safe."

As the theory runs, then, "Maybe Sam asked Gene to make his death look normal - maybe he would have literally dematerialised in front of people, and Sam wanted to avoid that kind of end. So he and Gene work out a way they can stage his death without it looking too suspicious."

We're Being Told The Truth About Tyler

Perhaps we're all working too hard in a game of spot-the-twist. Jazzer, for instance, believes we're probably being given things straight.

"I think it was almost just as it was reported," they argue. "Sam decided not to wait for the Guv as he thought he knew better. Whether or not he did die in the crash or not remains to be discovered, but if he is dead, I don't believe Gene had anything to do with it."

Jazzer goes on to add, "I do believe that if he is alive and missing/done a runner, I think Gene planned it with him and is covering. Maybe's he's gone undercover and they can't get hold of him again?" Maybe, indeed...!

Gene Hunt Killed Sam Tyler

This is certainly the theory that the show seems to be subtlety pushing in our direction right now. qthesprocket put forward this idea, suggesting that "Sam figured out what the copper's limbo really was, and asked Gene to release him." From there, "As Gene told Alex in series two, ‘no one leaves here until I say so.' So Gene probably did kill Sam, though not in the way that Keats and Alex think he did: he loved Sam enough to let him go."

Lots to chew on there! Here's that list of theories to do with Gene Hunt, and next week, we'll have more Ashes To Ashes theories!

Once again, many thanks to Janet at The Railway Arms, and do check out the site for some quite brilliant Ashes To Ashes and Life On Mars chunter...

 

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Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By berrybananaz 1 April 30, 2010 07:41:42 AM

I believe you meant John Simm returned as the Master, not the Doctor in Doctor Who. That would be interesting if he did do an appearance in Ashes, but its fine if he doesn't either.

@ berrybananaz
Posted By denofgeek_geekette 1 April 30, 2010 08:37:49 AM

Yes, we did mean the Master! Thanks, berrybananaz. Truth be told, these theories have had our heads spinning at such velocity we're no longer sure who *we* are. :cD

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 April 30, 2010 10:41:21 AM

I can't believe that Sam would have taken his own life in LOM world, or asked for Gene's help to be released from limbo (or whatever). The ending of LOM seemed to make it quite clear that Sam wanted to return. The only reason why I can see Sam wanting to move on from the LOM world would be if something bad had happened to Annie. The suggestion that Sam and Alex may be the same person is just too weird! Where does that one come from?

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By kev86 1 April 30, 2010 01:02:00 PM

I hope he shows up before the end. I mean come on if he's got time for Doctor Who he must have time for at least a cameo appearance. It would tie-up LOM and A2A perfectly.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By sailorgaia 1 April 30, 2010 05:48:02 PM

Personally, the theory that I've espoused for awhile is that Sam Tyle & Alex Drake are both people that Gene Hunt knows and LoM & A2A are HIS dream/coma/etc. He's the central figure. I suppose one could say that that would be silly considering why would he focus on other people? I know I've had dreams like that though, where I come in and out of the picture. And as Gene said himself, he's the constant. I'm so trying not to theorize too much though lest I be dissapointed. My family & I both believe that if A2A ends as well as LoM & the last two seasons of A2A have...it will be one of the best series we've ever seen, hence the reason I'm trying to not disappoint myself by too much theorizing. ^^;

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By Shirehorse 1 April 30, 2010 09:22:34 PM

I'm with the idea that Gene has been trapped in that world for a long time which is why his leadership is so effective. I think his secret is that he's confessed this to Sam Tyler, and also let Tyler know that you have to die before you leave. I think that is what death in their world means You wake up! Keats is the boss which is why he doesn't want Gene to kill Alex, like he killed Sam. Keats wants to keep Alex. Does anything have any thoughts on the starts. I think it means the power is shifting and that and that Gene may have to sacrifice himself if the Department is to continue. Maybe Sam will come back/Alex will stay to run the department when Gene leaves...

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By crichton13 1 April 30, 2010 09:22:37 PM

It woul've been nice to check out the Railway Arms but it's crapped out with some acess violation error!

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By CiaraK 1 May 1, 2010 03:48:04 PM

Railway Arms: was JUST on-site, then navigated to another page...and it crashed. Couldn't access it at all last night.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By CiaraK 1 May 1, 2010 03:51:37 PM

Simplistic view (probably already mentioned ad nauseam...): Sam/his body died in present day; so whatever part of Sam was in Gene's world, it wasn't his physical presence, so there wouldn't BE a body to find...

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By heythere 1 May 2, 2010 01:45:24 AM

Funny, I was thinking Tyler and Keats could be the same person. That Keats is the disillusioned version of Tyler.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By heythere 1 May 2, 2010 02:07:39 AM

For some of these theories about Hunt, etc, though, they don't seem to explain the 'real world' connection there appears to be in that Alex got shot by someone who appears to be from both her and Gene's past, and that the guy who shot her contacted someone to let them know about it.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By heythere 1 May 2, 2010 02:28:49 AM

Oh one last thing, I was wondering if maybe coma or dying can let you go back & forth if you want to, because when Molly was first taken, there was a gunshot but it obviously was not her that was shot but Layton disappeared and reappeared later. Maybe that means Sam could even be back in present time if he 'died' in Gene's world.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 May 3, 2010 07:03:43 AM

To try and answer heythere (good points, but there could be answers): Layton was not necessarily from Gene's past too. Perhaps those that are in a coma (still alive in the real world) can influence the LOM/A2A world. This would explain why things from Sam and Alex's past were prominent. As they move closer to death or actually die in the real world they lose influence over the LOM/A2A world. The unexplained gunshot at the start of episode 1 could just have been Layton scaring Alex. He might be a nasty bit of work, but killing a young child may have been a step too far even for him. Hopefully we will find out who Layton was calling when he took Alex, but I think this could just be someone who had a grudge against the Prices because of some criminal case the Prices bungled leading to someone being imprisoned who thought they were going to get off.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By Amanda1000 1 May 4, 2010 07:19:13 PM

I think Leighton was phoning Evan (Molly's godfather, who was with her before Alex got shot). Leighton said on the phone to him (or whoever) that he would tell Alex the real reason why her parents died. And the real reason was her dad found out that her mum was having an affair with Evan in 1981 and wanted to blow them all up and he paid Leighton to plant the bomb in the car (remember Leighton was walking alongside the car when it blew up). Also when the young Alex was brought into the office by Gene after the event, present day Alex made a comment to Evan about being blackmailed 30 years later. I assume she was referring to Leighton blackmailing him before she was shot. Remember they watched a video of her dad explaining why he blew them up, it was because he found out about the affair. The tape was destroyed and this information kept from Alex all these years. So it can only be Evan he was calling.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By Peloquin 1 May 8, 2010 03:05:10 PM

How about this...? It looks like Ray is covering something for Gene. Jim says He knows Gene's secret, how about if Sam goes off in the car,at Gene's request/ order, spins it and dies. Gene hears news, tracks down the guy who caused it and beat him to death or something. The others would help (Ray especially) and it'd be a helluva secret to have to keep. Gene would feel guilty at Sam's death and be cagey about killing the "perp" knowing he's taken things too far, even for him. Would that theory work?

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By kalel 1 May 13, 2010 02:14:35 PM

sam tylers alive (fact) Even gene hunt said cpl wks ago at end of episode "i told him citys gonna beat united next season"Guess how he knows this?

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By NelleEsor 1 May 16, 2010 06:37:49 PM

I do not think that Gene killed Sam, I think that he's telling the truth when he said about Sam wanting to fake his own death.

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By Ghost 1 May 21, 2010 06:39:03 PM

Some good points mentioned above, Well I reckon Sam wanted to fake his death to stay with Annie & not return to the present,its been mentioned earlier in the last series of Ashes to ashes that sam stayed for 7 years,but we only saw him in 1973,Alex on the other hand has spent 3 years in the 80's 81-83. it also seems there is a few DCI's that want to get rid of Gene,Frank morgan,Martin Summers & noe Jim Keats...not long now til we find out

Re: Ashes To Ashes: What happened to Sam Tyler?
Posted By solarizucar 1 May 7, 2011 04:25:40 PM

this post is very nice and i like Sam Tyler ben 10
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