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Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review

Simon Brew


David Tennant and Russell T Davies bring their time on Doctor Who to an end. So was The End Of Time Part 2 any good...?

Published on Jan 1, 2010


WARNING: IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE EPISODE, THERE ARE SPOILERS AHEAD!

Well, if you hadn’t guessed it was the end of an era beforehand, Russell T Davies and his team left you in no doubt by the time the credits rolled this time. There had been promises that there wouldn’t be a dry eye in the house by the time The End Of Time ended, and after an epic, sometimes-breathtaking hour and a quarter, they’d pretty much delivered on that promise. For while I liked The End Of Time Part One, it was still littered with problems and annoyances. Part Two? Brilliant. Not perfect, but brilliant nonetheless.

What I loved about the episode is, I suspect, what one or two traditionalists will dislike. That the threat that had built up on Christmas Day dissolved so easily, and so early on in the episode. I’ve criticised Russell T Davies in the past for scampering to his finales after superb build up work, but here he very much made the right choice in getting matters wrapped up fairly swiftly. For instead of getting a rushed regeneration at the end of an adventure, he made the space to wrap up the tenth Doctor’s journeys properly.

We’ve never had this: 20 minutes or so for a Doctor to deal with his impending demise, with no threat to see off to get in the way. Here though, we got Tennant visiting his former assistants, saving them one more time. Or, in the case of Captain Jack, giving him a name of a potential date, in the form of Midshipman Frame (in a scene that looked like it was straight out of Star Wars’ Cantina Bar, not the only nod to George Lucas’ masterpiece that we picked up). And we also got a point where he visited Rose before he met her.

He called all this his reward, but really, it was ours. This was the first outright emotional regeneration, and it deepened the process immensely. Usually, the emotions are dealt with afterwards, as the new Doctor gets used to his new body. Here, an outgoing Doctor got to face the ramifications of what was about to happen, and it was explored exceptionally well.

And how brilliantly the bell tolled. I loved the fact that the knocking four times we were waiting for all along was something as simple as Bernard Cribbins trapped in a chamber, tapping the door wanting to come out. Granted, it was a bit of an odd contrivance that saw Wilf running into said chamber in the first place.

But it was all so wonderfully small and poignant. And what a moment: just at the moment the Doctor thought he’d survived, that’s when Wilf knocked, and that’s when Tennant’s Doctor knew he was going to die. It was goosebump good. And It also allowed two superb actors to step into the limelight.

Firstly, there was Bernard Cribbins. He was the star of Part One of The End Of Time, and he was outstanding again here. I’d argue he’s the best assistant that Tennant got to travel with, as when Cribbins’ eyes crease and the tears start to roll, it takes some resolve not to well up yourself (admission: I failed). He was still and steady where other actors may have been content to ham it up, and his performance here was simply wonderful. When Wilf realised his part in the Doctor’s demise, it was haunting simply because it was so brilliantly underplayed.

But this was David Tennant’s show, and a near-80 minute exercise in just how much he’s going to be missed. Tennant was always at his best in these more sombre episodes – inevitably The End Of Time Part Two was darker Who – and he was magnetically brilliant here. None of the running around like a loon of old. This was a character being taken apart bit-by-bit over the course of the episode, and Tennant’s eyes alone told the story. It was an amazing performance. The Doctor was torn apart long before the regeneration started, and the broken Time Lord that we first got to see properly in The Waters Of Mars (although he was hinted at many times beforehand) was fully exposed here. Credit too for the introduction of the Ood to sing the Doctor out. “The universe will sing you to your sleep”, they said. That’s just great writing.

You’ve probably noticed that all we’ve talked about thus far has been the last 20 minutes of the episode. As brilliant as the back end of Part Two was, that’s still a little unfair on the hour that preceded it, that was far from shabby itself. It had benefited enormously from quietening the Master down a little to allow him to talk to the Doctor as some kind of equal again (and John Simm came across in a far more sinister way, I thought), and as a result, the fight got really interesting again. Instead of the batshit crazy version we got for most of Part One of The End Of Time, The Master was a little bit more measured, and it helped enormously. “What would I be without you?”, the Doctor asked him at one point, and it really felt like a proper and welcome battle of minds was taking place again.

Then there was Timothy Dalton’s Darth Vader-a-like Lord President of the Time Lords also thrown into the mix (was it the Hand Of Omega he was zapping everyone with, I wonder?). It wasn’t an episode for villains, to be fair, but Dalton was doing perfectly well – even getting over how quickly he reversed a plan that had taken The Master an episode to put together - until he was rushed to his demise.

And this does hint at the flaws in the episode. It seems churlish to criticise a piece of television I enjoyed so much, but in the spirit of completeness, there were a couple of niggles. Take the Visionary for starters, who seemed to be stepping in for Dalek Caan in Journey’s End, only this time in the guise of a hybrid of every old psychic hag that television has thrust in our direction. I was glad she was shuffled out of the way quite quickly.

Furthermore, there was the arguable throwing away of Dalton’s character. Not just him, either, the Time Lords too. The Time War has been the great unexplored part of the narrative that Russell T Davies has introduced into Doctor Who, and this is the closest we’ve got to it being addressed head-on. Yet it was, ultimately, a side attraction as far as the episode was concerned, and for those of us who had wondering about the Time Lords and how they got to this point, there’s an element of opportunity lost there. Perhaps Steven Moffat will find a way to go back for a look now that his tenure on the show has begun.

He’s certainly got an interesting thread to explore if the nod the Doctor gave to Donna near the end of the episode meant what I think it meant. Was she the Time Lord advising Wilf all along? That would explain why she appeared to him, although it wouldn’t cover why she was able to break the time lock in the first place to get a message to him.

One note to Mr Moffat, though: if you are going to come up with some nonsense akin to the White Point Star that the Lord President sent to Earth, can you at least ensure it doesn’t look like something that’s just dropped out of the Argos catalogue? It was the only production design fault in an episode that boasted strong direction, better than expected action sequences (Cribbins with lasers!) and arguably the best visual effects since Doctor Who returned to our screens.

While the villains did ultimately take the back seat, at least before they did we got the interesting shoot out sequence with the Doctor standing in the middle of the Lord President and The Master. It was a great scene, right down to when The Master told the Doctor to get out of the way. I never believed for a second that the Doctor would fire the gun, but the torture on his face as he battled his conundrum over which way to point it was once more a testament to Tennant’s acting.

Still, the most significant change marked by this episode wasn’t the casting of the Doctor. It’s the change of boss. Usually since he took over on Doctor Who, Russell T Davies has given us excellent penultimate episodes to his series, and slightly disappointing finales. Here, he’s managed the opposite. The End Of Time Part Two was a jam-packed testament to everything Davies has done with Doctor Who, warts and all. It was big blockbuster entertainment with a hell of an emotional wallop, and some inspired plotting that dug deeply into the stories of the past four years. The Steven Moffat era of Doctor Who is absolutely an exciting one, but the bar has been left high here, and Russell T Davies is damn sure going to be missed.

I should say that I did feel a bit for Matt Smith who had to pop up in the last few minutes and open up the story of a new Doctor, a minute after we’ve seen such a terrific closing of another Doctor’s chapter (I suspect even now the Internet is sharpening its knives). But I’m not going to judge Smith based on a minute of frantic footage – he’s got 13 episodes coming up in the Spring when the whole process starts again.

Instead, I’m content to sit back and applaud what I thought was a terrific episode of Doctor Who, and the end of a major era in the show’s history. It's a major achievement to build up expectation levels for an episode over the course of pretty much an entire year, and then exceed them with the end result. That's precisely what's happened here though, and both David Tennant and Russell T Davies have left some very big shoes to fill. 

Over to you then, Mr Moffat and Mr Smith. We'll be seeing you in the Spring. In the interim, I suspect The End Of Time Part Two is going to be watched a few more times yet...

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Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By themaster100 1 January 1, 2010 09:19:46 PM

Note to BBC producers - PLEASE TURN THE BLOODY ORCHESTRAL MUSIC DOWN. It was blaring out for most of the time (shakes head with ringing in ears)

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By mokofil 1 January 1, 2010 09:31:28 PM

Granted, I had tears in my eyes a couple of times - mainly at the superb Cribbins and Tennant. Not sure I fully understood what was happening with the Timelords and so on - though for an RTD script that's pretty standard. All seemed a bit muddled with the usual appalling science (hmm, so the only effect of a huge planet materialising right next to earth is...people running around screaming?!), but then it was only the preamble to the regeneration. The long, drawn-out, contrived regeneration, where the doctor managed to bounce across several timelines and realities and visit his main allies JUST BEFORE he regenerated. Phew, he made it with literally seconds to spare! Great timing. Shame that the last 20 minutes seemed like a separate episode bolted on to the end of the show when it became obvious that the weak Master/Timelords storyline had come to a crashing halt far too early. I would quite happily have skipped the preceding hour or so, but despite my comments the last 20 minutes was great stuff. If a little (a little?) contrived. It's a real shame that David Tennant won't be around for the start of Moffat's tenure - which (I hope) will be darker and a little more serious). Big shoes for Matt Smith to fill!

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By twinboom 1 January 1, 2010 09:38:32 PM

Much better than part one, which was really pretty superfluous beyond being an overlong, badly edited, intro. Glad RTD made the second part the better one this time. Thought he could only do good foreplay, not ever 'deliver the goods', but he did! A bit too sentimental at the end, but overall a good finale for RTD and Tennant. Great to see the Master battling the Timelords back into the Time War! No amount of Star Wars references make it any less fun, which is just as well - Dalton Vader, Luke Cribbins etc.! Shame that Confidential ignored Christopher Ecclelston, though, in the Tennant-fest that it was. He was better IMHO, and Matt Smith is too young for me to watch without feeling old, so that was my last Doctor Who too. It was made all too poignant by 1st Jan 2005 having been the worst day of my life, but that is another story of time travel and a Dr! A good place to leave things.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By crichton13 1 January 1, 2010 09:45:02 PM

To the Master and Nokofil, you are TINY and ignorant of the PAST. This was a masterpiece of UK Science Fiction - remember - this is no $1M per episode as per ST:TNG etc. this is the BBC. People forget again and again that Who has ALWAYS been produced on a relative shoestring. Lets see another 40 year old Sci-Fi francise keep the public's imagination and attention on a relative shoestring budget!! I THINK NOT!! We should be LAUDING this episode, not making criticisms. If you actually bothered to watch the Confidential episode on BBC3 afterwards then you would NOT have posted such an IGNORANT and UNINFORMED comment as you have! This was BRITISH Science Fiction at it's pinnacle. We don't need billion dollar budgets to produce a sparkling storyline and script, rather, we use our own inate SKILLS to produce what is a masterpiece. And for the PEDANTS among you - errrr... this is SCI-FI. If I wanted to - I could RIP A NEW HOLE in your Star Wars and your Star Trek (both of which I LOVE but respect) so BE CAREFUL IDIOTS. 2 Episodes bolted together? What Planet are you living on - I could not see ANY join - it was a seemless, touvhing production of a person, a Time Lord, who simply did NOT want his tenure to be concluded after what he had done. And Mokofil (or is that MOFO***?) how can you say that the Timelord story was introduced at the wrong time? Pfftt... you people want an AMERICAN SCRIPT, ALL NEATLY WRAPPED UP ON A PLATE FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. Who was ALWAYS about making the viewer think. The Rassillion angle is bound up in TL history. Did YOU think they were returning before the end of Part 1? i think not. It seems that you were waiting for Luke Skywalker to step in and use the force to clean things up. Sorry SON. This is the UK. We don't do things like that you FOOL.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By crichton13 1 January 1, 2010 09:49:46 PM

Twinboom. I felt as you did with the Eccleston/Tenant changeover. Oh how WRONG I was. It took me until the beginning of the 4th series to realise what I had missed. So, point to be made? Give the 'Hobo' (as my madly addictive, 12 year old Neice calls him!!) a Chance. I certainly will give him a chance - more than I gave DT. If it's crap then I will walk away - simple. At the moment, NOBODY can comment on MS as we have only seen some 30 seconds of the 11th Doctor. REMEMBER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JON PERTWEE AND TOM BAKER........FORGET AT YOUR PERIL......

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By DamonD 1 January 1, 2010 09:54:22 PM

Speaking of Luke Skywalker, Cribbins weilds a mean laser gun, mmm? Much better than part one, The Master was a lot less manic and Simm was able to therefore put in much better work than before. Like ROTK the finale did get a bit too self-indulgent and there were several flaws but, dammit, I just went with the ride and it was pretty good fun. And how sweet is 'I don't wanna go!'?

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Anthony1 1 January 1, 2010 10:02:08 PM

Massive disappointment. I'm almost lost for words how much of a let down that was for me. Good performances from Tennant et al and some good moments but nothing could compensate for yet another deus ex machina resolution. That was of course because RTD's interest and focus was not the plot/any threat and any intelligent let alone inventive way of concluding it- everything else was incidental to the end of the 10th Doctor. Even on the emotional level it wasn't a patch on the genuinely poignant 4th doctor's regeneration. This was too self-indulgent and drawn out. And the special effects and depiction of this regeneration were just poor. Sad to say but thank the lord that's the end of the RTD dumbed down soap era.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By howsoonisnow 1 January 1, 2010 10:08:08 PM

I'm going to start off by pointing out the several things that I DIDN'T like about the episode. Firstly, every other incarnation of the Doctor has pretty much been on the verge of death and quickly regenerated in order to save himself; so why was Tennants doctor able to travel to all these different times and places to see his assistants again and didn't look to be in any peril whatsoever and then all of a sudden he more or less chooses when the time was right to regenerate? Regenerating should happen so fast that there is no way of controlling or stopping it. The other thing that annoyed me a lot was RTD yet AGAIN shoving his overt homosexuality down our throats. Yes Russel, we know you're gay, is it really necessary to have a gay character (Capt Jack) in a childrens sci-fi TV series and have that character make sexual undertones to another man? And then, theres Donna, I am sick of this stupid character and her comedy routine, and yet she is pushed in the show as being super important. Catherine Tate should not be in this type of programme, shes awful. Now I've got that off my chest, I can say that I liked the look of Matt Smith as the Doctor and the way they set up for a new look to the TARDIS. I do hope that Steven Moffat will ensure the Doctor never again revisits Capt Jack and especially Donna, its time for new faces.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By essjayar 1 January 1, 2010 10:14:04 PM

One word: AWESOME! Yes, there are plot holes galore, and yes - it was both overdone and rushed but what a finale! This was a fitting finale for David Tennants Doctor Who. We saw the return of the Timelords, and even Gallifrey itself. We found out it was Wilf who knocked four times, and in the end doomed the Doctor to his fate... We even discovered that Captain Jack is alive and well and living in the Whoiverse version of the Cantina bar - getting off with the Werewolf from "Being Human" as well :-) I'm sad to see Tenant leaving the show, but on the scant evidence of Matt Smith's performance so far I think the future looks bright. He seems a cooler, younger, and crazier version of the Doctor we all love. In fact I really liked Tenants performance in this final episode of his era. From losing it at the unfairness of it all, even having a go at poor Wilfred, to his journey through his past meeting old friends this was an excellent episode. Roll on the next season - I'll be here waiting for you!

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By chany 1 January 1, 2010 10:23:27 PM

i love doctor who and i am obsessed with it but today i did not like the show david tennant has always been the best doctor and i wont watch the next series with matt smith in it .sadly i will miss doctor who it always kept me happy

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By mokofil 1 January 1, 2010 10:27:36 PM

With regards to Crichton13's comments. Sorry, what point are you trying to make other than be abusive, put words into people's mouths, and dismiss everyone else's opinions as worthless if they don't match your own? I'm old enough to have seen the Pertwee and Baker years - believe me, it's a very different show now. Part of that, I admit, is that I'm now watching the show as an adult rather than a child - perhaps you can one day try the same? Not sure why you're having a pop at me about budgets, Star Wars, etc - no metion of those in my post! Why is Doctor Who beyond criticism? Maybe you should re-read my post - I actually liked parts of the episode, and think Tennant is brilliant (second best Doctor after Tom Baker, though I agree Ecclestone was also great). Sorry, but if you thought that show was flawless then you are the fool - read the review on this site. Why the personal abuse, anyway? I thought we were all friends here?

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By mark-reed 1 January 1, 2010 10:39:26 PM

Fabulous episode. Plenty of imperfections - who needed Barrowman's crap mugging? - but the pathos of something as simple as Cribbins knocking portending his demise was immense.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By mokofil 1 January 1, 2010 10:45:42 PM

Agreed on your final point. The brief section between Cribbins and Tennant there was the highlight of the episode, closely followed by the Doctor alone in the Tardis ("I don't want to go" did make me cry), and the discussion where Wilf tries to give the gun to the Doctor. Two actors at the top of their game. Sadly let down by the rest of the episode. In anticipation of further abuse: hey, it's just an opinion!

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By spikey_p 1 January 1, 2010 10:52:33 PM

In all the best Doctor's swansongs, he sacrifices himself because he must to save the life of just one other, an innocent who was in harms way because of the Doctor's curiousity or his spirit of adventure or just his thirst for knowledge. When in the past he has been poisoned by radiation or alien toxins or time itself, he rarely had time to make it count and he rarely had warning of what was to come. This for me struck the perfect balance as the end of two eras - we are turning the page not on the 10th Doctor but on the 9th as well, on everything since Russell T. took over and since the last act of the Time War when the Doctor became the last of the Time Lords and powerfully restated and reaffirmed the post-Gallifrey Doctor's original sin. He stayed who he had been, having lost all that he was and much more besides. And take it or leave it, whether us fanboys like it or not, that began in the Powell estate of 2005 and it is right that it ended there too. Thinking back to 2005 and all that RTD achieved in bringing the show back from the oblivion of limbo, it's hard to remember what an uncertain and strange new world we had. From the start of episode 1, we had nothing - there were no Time Lords, there were no laws of time, no continuity and but for the grace of God and Terry Nation's estates lawyers, there were almost Daleks either. We had the TARDIS and a man called The Doctor. All bets were off. I remember slight shock at the first talk of the Time War - how could something so vast and so recent be dealt with so offhandly and indirrectly? In retrospect, it was totally right. It is 52 without Infinite Crisis, Terminiator without Terminator: Salvation or (God help us) The Rise of The Machines. Eccleston's Doctor was then like the New Doctor or New Earth, the only one showing up in records of Krakatoa or the sinking of the Titanic - was this now the only Doctor there had ever been as a consequence of the Time War? Only with Tennant did wider continuity begin to slot back in. The Ninth Doctor had no time to plan for his exit and in fact seemed only you be a vessel for the Doctor's regret and guilt at his genocide / unilateral racial suicide. While he was forged as a psychological defence, the Tenth was a fully formed embodiment of the lonely God of Time and behaved as such. Returning to the final act of the Time War and the first human connection he felt afterwards on the Powell estate in 2005 was absolutely the right move. The Doctor had a choice to murder his greatest enemy and reverse his greatest regret by destroying and remaking Time or make the same choice he made before in desperation and loose himself again. As he always does, he chooses the third way and gets rewarded and punished in equal measure - but he gets a final day to tie up loose ends, to say goodbye and protect the ones he loves, he lives on in Donna's mind and in the Human Doctor of Petesworld and has the time to set the world to rights for once. No loose ends. Just sombre acknowledgent as the radiation sickness breaks down his cell structure. Anyone who has seen Planet of the Spiders , read Love and War or When the Wind Blows knows this is legit. I loved the fake-out with Donna and her ultimate happiness when she finally gets to wed (third time lucky). I loved that the Doctor's reluctance to die burnt out the console room, degrading it's strcture as he burned with it. And loved the voice of dissent in the ranks of the Time Lords - Wilf's mysterious avatar of Doom looked knowingly on the Doctor as Flavia's theme played out but perhaps there was also the hints that she might just be his mother - the human mother we tried so hard to retcon away. The other dissenter in the vote kept her face hidden and I have no doubt that fandom has not spoken it's last as to who she might be. Rommana, perhaps? And one reference to Lord Rassilon assuming the Presidency in the last days of the Time War. That's all you need, Just one. And here was me about to go out on a limb and say Dalton was playing the arrogant and resurrected Borusa. The circle is complete.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By DeanLearner 1 January 1, 2010 10:53:54 PM

Crikey, that regeneration was a bit prolonged. He'd had long enough to watch Return of the King by the time Matt Smith turned up!

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By blueoyster101 1 January 1, 2010 11:04:06 PM

IMHO, Dr Who always worked better on a smaller scale. The Doctor talking about Gallifrey was always far more moving than actually having to see the damn thing falling towards Earth in all its burning glory! The thud of footsteps behind a door was way scarier than any rubber "monster of the week". And am I alone in thinking we should never have seen what was inside a Dalek? I think that was RTD's (and other writers') main weakness, the urge to show, rather than imply and suggest. Kids today get far too much whizz-bang in their TV diet, and nothing is left to the imagination. What was the best Tennant episode? "Blink". I rest my case.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By fowardlook07 1 January 1, 2010 11:09:25 PM

I'm glad that Russell's time is over with Dr Who. I've enjoyed stories from the Ninth Doctor's and Tenth Doctor's era's, but The End Of Time just sucked as a story. It didn't make sense as a story. Why bring the Time Lords back!. The Doctor was better being on his own. David Tennant delivered the best possible performance with a rather one demensional and flat storyline. Russell has written some decent stories like Midnight, Gridlock and Parting Of The Ways, but has produced some right stinkers as well. It would of been nice to have other writers who have contributed to Dr Who over the years write a Xmas special once in a while, rather than RTD. I felt let down by this story. David Tennant didn't deserve this pityful end. I for one will be glad to see the back of Russell and can't wait for Steven Moffat to return Dr Who to its rightful place of intelligent scripting and darker stories with better plot development. Its no wonder Blink, Silence In The Libary, Forrest Of The Dead, Girl In Fireplace, Empty Child and Dr Dances are the best stories written in new Who. Moffat will return Dr Who back to where it belongs. Good storytelling. David Tennant's Doctor went out on a wimper, great shame.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By crichton13 1 January 1, 2010 11:29:15 PM

Hehe! In answer to Nokofil (or is that NOBOFIL) comments - OK, lets do a "who has the BIGGEST willy contest shallwe?". I was ALSo privy to Pertwee/Baker years so UP YOURS. Abuse? I only have EVER commented on IGNORANT posts on websites such as DOG, it's what makes the Internet worthwhile to counter such conceited and basically WRONG opinions in the end! Watching as a cild? Watched Who - in The Green Death as a Child - STFU ok? Also, opinions are ALWAYS good, provided they are not simply posted to TRY to make oneself APPEAR to be someone who is more than average ABOVE the regular viewer - which I am NOT but YOU seem to want to post yourself to be. Finally, my point to you Sir was that WITHOUG RTD, whom you feel is SUCH a regular writer, Who whold not be where it is now. Between Julie Gardner and Him, it would be languishing within the realms of the 1996 film that was produced in the USA (of which they have totally NO idea what WHO is). The abuse? I've re-read my post - no abuse - simply strong opinion - just as you posted before me. Tell you what. Lets all go back to when the BBC were starving Who of funding, removing it's writers onto Soap Opera scripts and replacing it with novice writers, virtually disbanding the BBC Radiophonic Workshop and then simply cancelling the franchise. What would you prefer mokofil? I'd be interested in your reply - and if it's abuse you want - then I feel honour bound to say that you are a PRICK!!! You asked for it did you not? YOU REREAD MY POST. If the BBC were part of a large US Syndicate then it COULD have a £1M per episode budget but this the BBC and I don't care ONE BIT what you ALL say. This was a MASTERPIECE MADE ON A SHOESTRING. Comment, insult, curse - ain't gonna make a BIT of difference to me and ALOT of other viewers who are fans rather than SAD "Whovians" who wish that Dr Who was as it was in "THE OLD DAYS"!!! As I mentioned earlier Dickhead - I was lucky enough to come into Who with the Green Death so don't patronise me Prick.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By fleckneymike 1 January 1, 2010 11:47:38 PM

I thought this was an opportunity missed. RTD attempted a darker and more sinister feel but never quite hit the target. Similarly the end became melodramatic and as an early poster cheekily implied simply ripped off Return Of The King. I've never been a huge Doctor Who fan but the shameless stealing/pastiche of Star Wars pierced and potential tension which could have been created. The scene in the intergalactic bar where Princess Leia was sat in the back ground was a bit too knowing. There was also the 'Wrath Of Khan' death scene (without the obvious death) when the Doctor entered a chamber which was about to be filled with radiation. With regards the new incarnation it appears they are going for 'whacky' from the brief screen time afforded him.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By DeanLearner 1 January 2, 2010 12:19:36 AM

Crichton13, if you're not a child, then all the more shame on you for expressing yourself in such an infantile way. There is no excuse for such abuse, and I'm sure there are plenty of things in life more worth getting angry about.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By howsoonisnow 1 January 2, 2010 12:37:50 AM

Crichton13, it's easy to be a big shot over the internet. You are quite safe, holed up in your bedroom, squeezing your spots over the keyboard before dishing out insults to someone you've never met over a TV programme! Get a grip.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By crichton13 1 January 2, 2010 12:38:15 AM

Arrhhhh..... Did I upset some Geeks here on den of geeks??? Dean Learner - I know of your Character. Not a hit - a miss that went straight to DVD and then was lost!! HA!! Infantile?!! YES - like that Master at 44 - I AM still infantile BUT it gives me the vision to see ALL of you so called Geeks who have SUCH a keen criticism to ALL that is broadcast on BBC TV thesedayes HOWEVER, I would challenge you to produce Scripts that better them. Yes I do. FOOLS Dean Learner - you are not even worth a reply because you are simply sitting alongside arguments and throwing your SHITE into the Pot - Blah, Blah, BLAH. Means NOTHING. Now, to that other Idiot, Mokofil (Mofoiwill I think is VASTLY more apt...) YOU re-read what I said FOOL. AGAIN. I will type now, in the Queens English, Clear and Concise - so that you may understand me. "The BBC Produce Programmes within certain Budgets. They have about 20% of the Budgets that, say, for example, BSG or Dollhouse have for EACH and EVERy episode produced. And for THAT. They deserve EVERY accolade. What they do NOT deserve, is a TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED CRITIC - like yourSELF who thinks he can re-write a piece of brilliant BBC Television within a few minutes of it's Broadcast on live Television. Sorry if you think that your TOTALLY UNEDUCATED AND UNEXPERIENCED opinion makes me see RED but thats the fact of the matter. OK FOOL. You go away and write me a separate, defferent Screenplay and script to the 10th Doctors FINAL Episode. If you have the SKILLS, then do it for the final TWO Episodes of the 10th Doctors Storyline. I PROMISE YOU - if it beats RTD's act then I will PROSTRATE myself here on DOG without reservation . OK? DICKHEAD???????

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By shelsfc 1 January 2, 2010 12:41:43 AM

Loved it. Simple as that. I absolutely loved it. David Tennant & Bernard Cribbins, of course, were fantastic. I could easily watch those two guys acting for hours and hours. John Simm was on top form, as were everyone, to be fair. I couldn't be more grateful to RTD for making sure there was room for the tenth Doctor to say goodbye to his friends properly. I have to say, the tears didn't come until 'I don't want to go', but God I've even got a lump in my throat now just thinking about it. I loved every heart-wrenching second of that episode. Looking forward to Matt Smith, I really am, and I liked what they did with him right at the end. But I think you're right that everything about The End of Time II was proof of why David Tennant (and Russell T Davies for that matter) will be so sorely missed, whatever comes afterwards.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By crichton13 1 January 2, 2010 12:42:03 AM

howsooisnow.... I could....... Ahhh FUCKIT!! You REALLY ain't worth the typing time bitch!! XXX

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By valyard 1 January 2, 2010 12:47:27 AM

Personally, I liked the episode, not too keen on the handover, felt sorry for MS. I really don't understand ppl saying they won't watch the next season becuase MS has taken over the TARDIS, we all knew DT would leave, you can't be the doctor forever, the doctor changes, where's the problem? I do love the origonal seasons and did think RTD lost his way a little here and there. I did think the doctors end was a little dragged out, but i wish ppl would stop having a go about Captain Jack, so it's ok for the doctor fall in love with a girl not even a tenth of his age (and that's not a little pervy is it???) I think it;s nice that RTD actulay shows men as men no matter what they are. Cribbins was amazing and I really felt for him when he realised the doctor would have to die to save him. Over all it was a great ender. Now SM has already said he's taking it back to more original doctor who, I'm really looking forward to it.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By howsoonisnow 1 January 2, 2010 12:48:28 AM

crichton, little man, I reckon you're nothing more than a wind-up merchant. You just want to have an argument over the internet. Maybe you should get off it for a little while, stop wacking off and make some friends or something.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By crichton13 1 January 2, 2010 12:49:38 AM

What you should ALL be REALLY asking is how a NUTBALL like me can so easily be free-posting this stuff without moderation!! In real life, I'm a normal, level-headed Guy who loves ALL types of Sci-Fi What I object to are websites such as this, which can potentially hold 'public opinion' and there are no reasoned Moderators therein to protect from the more extreme and objectionable opinions that appear on such Sites. Ban me - YES PLEASE. Because that would CLEARLY indicate that SOMEBODY has taken the time to moderate such an important Sci-Fi website such as this. If not, then sorry to the Posters that I have (or Perhaps...have not YET!!!!!!) insulted because I think that DOG has a SERIOUS place within current popular websites but that it is being under utilised. Slag me off here within this thread if you must, but I wish that DOG could be the CENTRE for ALL that is Sci-Fi and I think it has the real potential to become that.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By fleckneymike 1 January 2, 2010 01:22:26 AM

crichton13 your logic is perverse. You've deliberately created a problem where non existed to make a point.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By essjayar 1 January 2, 2010 01:24:27 AM

Woah Den Of Geek comes of age! Is this it's first flame war?

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By DCDJ18 1 January 2, 2010 01:35:41 AM

crichton13 is a fucking certifiable mentalist. But an entertaining one at that. The last 20 minutes was so dragged out, I felt like RTD was slapping me in the face to get me to cry, felt it would have been better to skip to Tennant in the TARDIS. Storyline didn't make massive sense, but it was enjoyable and involving. I hope the Time Lords are re-resurrected, since I don't think there was enough from them in this two parter. Can't wait for new look Doctor and TARDIS (and companion) to strut their stuff!

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Lachesis 1 January 2, 2010 01:57:09 AM

Thank goodness for Bernard Cribbins whose performance made this messy, overlong and overly indulgent mess just about tolerable. Unfortunately its a case that as the shows technical prowess has reached the point where it can do the concept justice, the scripting has nosedived eschewing logic, sense and character progression, in favour of spectacle and gloss (a' la' American shows of old). The larger the story's scale the more acute is this mindless intrusion. Here RTD is guilty of throwing everything at the wall and because it is all so haphazard and overwhelming the viewer is denied any hope of seeing the Doctor deduce, arrive at or work toward a coherent solution it just boils down to a succession of impossible scenarios and arbitrary reactions all based on luck or pulling a cheap rabbit out of the hat to resolve. I was excited at the prospect of the Timelord's return...but once they were portrayed as a pantomimne Villian more befitting Colin Bakers era, its good they have gone - an awesome concept in their own right, totally destroyed by RTD's plundering of the mythos. This time around The Master is notable for conveying zero threat and is more a figure for pity as he blunders around ineptly overmatched on every side. The treatment of regeneration is wholly inconsistent even in the new series' short run...again the viewer is cheated by mechanisms and devices that ignore consistency or continuity. All in all extremely dissapointing, its real achievenemnt was to make me glad to see both RTD and Mr Tennant gone, which is sad after the quality fo his first two seasons.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By stueyd67 1 January 2, 2010 02:06:49 AM

Crichton, i can't believe your throwing your toys out of your pram because someone had a difference of opinion to you. Seriously fella, you need to get out more.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By DeanLearner 1 January 2, 2010 02:24:11 AM

The funny thing is, I'm sure most of us accept the main argument being made by crichton13, in that the production team manage spectacular results on a limited budget, however I think the criticisms of most people are focussed upon the script rather than the effects. I can't understand how so much effort can go into making the show look great when the plot is often riddled with fudged explanations, forgotten strands, and inconsistent characterisation. Sadly, RTD wasn't great at combining spectacle with a compelling narrative, and his one truly excellent story ('Midnight') was by far his simplest. Does that sound reasonable?

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By ShortCircuit993 1 January 2, 2010 02:31:08 AM

I also thought the last 20 minutes were dragged out while the first 80 or so were very cut-short. And.. crichton13, what's with all the hating on America? What did we ever do to you personally? Sure, Hollywood made that god-awful movie, but seriously.. wasn't that it? I mean, I hope it was.. but I'm not entirely sure.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By ville 1 January 2, 2010 02:45:22 AM

Cheg on crichton13, you am a twat.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By trinitrotoluene 1 January 2, 2010 03:00:54 AM

What a perfect Christmas episode with all the none-too-subtle references to Jesus: the prophecy of death, the falling star, the going willingly to his demise, the appearing to his deciples one last time, the "I don't want to go" moment right at the end, and the cruciform pose during transformation.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Lucille7777 1 January 2, 2010 03:28:31 AM

I'm so hurt about what RTD and Julie Gardner did to Martha Jones. Martha had power and authority at UNIT and was a respected Doctor and officer, and now she’s Patty Hearst? Martha told the Doctor in Sontaran Stratagem that "I'm working on the inside trying to make things better" regarding the guns, and violence at Unit, but now she’s a gun toting renegade with just herself and Mickey, whom she had never met until Journey’s End? What happened to Martha’s fiancé Tom? After all Martha did for the Doctor and all the heart break she suffered because of him, I was happy to see her move on and marry a fellow Doctor and was looking forward to a nice moment with the Doctor, perhaps with Martha wearing her wedding dress; the Doctor tell her how proud he was of her and that their kiss really wasn‘t just a genetic transfer. But no, instead we see the Doctor turn away in disgust at the sight of Martha and Mickey in military gear, shooting Sontaran‘s like lunatics. RTD and Julie Gardner knew exactly what Martha’s fans had hoped for but instead they gave us that unspeakably spectacle and I won’t easily, if ever forgive either one of them for it.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By icedrew 1 January 2, 2010 04:07:07 AM

Just finished watching the conclusion to End of Time and DT era. I must say i was happy with the conclusion and enjoyed it.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By minibuu 1 January 2, 2010 05:22:03 AM

I am not going to read all of the comments but I see a lot of comments about how it took a long time for the regeneration to happen. When it comes to radiation poison death is not instant. Death could take weeks if not months must death will happen. I think instead of doing a wham your dead, the way they went about it was awesome. Great episode, I love Cribbins now. I almost wish he could have more episodes in the future. Thank god for British TV. American tv just dont cut it for me.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By cptjackharkness 1 January 2, 2010 05:33:55 AM

WOW i wanted to come here after i watched but i needed to let it sink in i have to agree that the last 20 mins were Epic in many ways but i also wanted more i wanted the doctor to tell jack it was ok he did what he had to do and that going back to earth was right for him but i always love seeing John on Doctor Who and it would be nice to see Russell on torchwood maybe well i also wanted more out of the rose visit but i loved what we go it was brilliant and wow mickey and Martha that was one spoiler i did not see coming. the visits were very nice and like everyone i almost crapped my pants when the doctor was like i get to live and Wilf knocks i was oh my god no way and it was sad so sad i did cry in a few scenes i could complain about other things but i will ask the same question Wilf Asked who was the lady talking to him was it the Doctors mom or someone else i felt they kind of dropped that but over all it was a fantastic ride and i loved it and as scary as it seems no more David Tennant i will be honest before December 25th of 2005 i had no clue who David Tennant was and i remember getting the Christmas special and watching it and was sold this man was and is my fav Doctor i knew nothing of him no more than i know of Matt smith so i will embrace him with open arms and spring can not come soon enough i say April mid April we will see season 5 Dan

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By gingeryoda 1 January 2, 2010 07:04:56 AM

Really enjoyed it.Made sense to me.The timelords resurrected their greatest leader for the time war.But it wasn't the mutton chopped fella from the 5 Doctors, but the complete bastard from the new adventures.Their time locked in the time war and will do and sacrifice anything to return.I did think the ending for the stolen earth wrapped up all the companions better,but I can live with the multiple endings.Highlight for me though was Matt Smith grabbing his chin and saying blimey.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Headache2112 1 January 2, 2010 07:51:58 AM

Why do Time Lords need the aid of a "seer": someone who can see the future? They're Time Lords! Oh, and "not a dry eye in the house". My eyes were completely dry even though I consider Tennant my second most favorite actor in the role, and I'm truly sorry to see him go. This was an incredibly poorly written episode. How did the Doctor survive the fall from the spaceship through the glass dome onto the floor without breaking a single bone? The 4th Doctor fell far less of a distance and it caused instant regeneration for him. What was all that with Martha and Mickey? Where were they? Why were they there? Why were they together? Why was there a Sontaran there? What the...? That scene was so jarring, it took my mind off the episode and I didn't get back until I realized I was looking at Sarah looking at the Doctor getting back into the TARDIS. Captain Jack is bisexual: WE GET IT! Rose certainly looked emaciated prior to her meeting with the 9th Doctor. Hadn't the 10th Doctor already said his goodbyes to all these people? As a matter of fact, hadn't he said goodbye to all of them a few times over? Will the 11th Doctor also go back and say goodbye to these same people again? And again? Or was it in fact the writer of the episode who was saying goodbye to these characters? (And saying it rather badly.) A long snooze-fest linked on to the back end of a hastily thrown together poorly plotted story. If John Simm does return as the Master, I hope someone mentions to him that he plays the role much better when calm and subdued, rather than ranting and over the top. Bernard Cribbins was given very little to do, and that he was the cause of the Doctor's (eventual - wait, we'll get around to it - it'll happen any -yawn- moment now) death was horribly contrived. Had the Doctor just thought a bit about it, he could have materialized the TARDIS straight through Wilf's side of the chamber. Oh well, had to make way for Matt Smith one way or another. Speaking of Who (get it? 'Who', and not 'whom') I won't base any judgments of him based on what I saw in the concluding minute of this episode. I'll wait for the new series to start and hope for the best. (In fact, I'm already hoping the 11th Doctor isn't going to take up yelling, "Geronimo" all the time, akin to "Fantastic", "I'm so sorry" and "A-lon-sy" - silly rubbish.) As for the conclusion of David Tennant's tenure: He deserved much, MUCH better. So did the fans.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By woohooboy 1 January 2, 2010 11:26:13 AM

*apologies in advance as this is rather long!* And so one era of "Doctor Who" comes to an end and another begins..... "The End Of Time" was an entertaining and moving farewell for the current team of David Tennant & Russell T Davies. The story moved swifty with plenty of suspense, action, humour and emotion. To be perfectly honest, I was never a fan of Russell T Davies as a writer. I always felt that his stories were the ones that really didn't hold up to close scrutiny. Big fancy concepts, larger than life aliens (who bordered on being downright silly) light on logic and too much emphasis on humour. Whilst this tale isn't perfect (it has it flaws), it STILL is a fitting and appropriate finale. The adventure benefits from sterling performances all across the board. John Simm delivers a more controlled and sinister portrayal of The Master (compared with his last appearance in the series). This time around, Simm conveys the right amount of anger, argression and madness in his character. Likewise Timothy Dalton commands the perfect amount of authority, arrogance and desperation as the President of the Time Lords - a being driven to extreme acts to maintain survival no matter what the cost. Bernard Cribbins combines warmth, strength and courage as Wilfred Mott. An elderly man willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. His scenes with the Doctor shine with poignancy and heartbreak. Yet there is no doubt who the star of this production is. David Tennant gives arguably his best performance ever in the series. The sheer level of angst, fear and determination to save the day (whilst trying desperately to fight his inevitable fate) is nothing short of amazing. He runs the full gambit of emotions and plays it for all it's worth. What's interesting is that the past companions of The Doctor are nothing more than a footnote in this story. Under normal circumstances, one could argue that this would be the wrong move to make. However in the context of this adventure, it actually works very well and in the show's favour. To have everyone play an integral, upfront role would be too much because at the core of this tale, this is The Doctor's story. Some comments have been made on this thread that the ending was too long and drawn out (a la "Return Of The King). I for one actually thought it was appropriate. The message that was conveyed - at least to me, was that Russell T Davies was trying to tie up as much loose strings as possible regarding Rose, Martha, Donna, Sarah Jane, Jack and company. In short, their fates and storylines have been concluded in such a way as to provide a form of closure with these characters we have come to know and love over the last several years leaving Stephen Moffat and his team to move forward without being saddled with the past - ie: we don't need to touch base with the majority of these people again as it really doesn't serve any point to revisit with them. Their time with the Doctor (and the show) has now come to past. Special mention should be given to Murray Gold and his wonderful score which brings a rush of emotions. I have to admit that when we see at the end of the story, the Tenth Doctor struggle to make his way back to the TARDIS and the image of the Ood telling him "The universe will sing you to your sleep" is truly heart rending as the moment has arrive to say goodbye to one incarnation and hello to another. As for Matt Smith, he is only given a few moments (rather frantic ones at that!) to make an impression, but he seems to have a offbeat persona to him that might work well in his advantage. Kudos to Russell T Davies and David Tennant for the hard work they have done over the last four years. Christopher Eccleston may have got the ball rolling and put the series back on the map, but Tennant help keep the show afloat and took it new and bigger heights. So the baton has been passed and another chapter of this long running series is about to commence. Hang on folks, there are more adventures out there.......

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By amjad 1 January 2, 2010 03:45:40 PM

Just One Question - if the master went back into the bubble around the time war, how is he going to get out again. Does this mean that we have seen the last of the master, I hope not, but if he makes a return this would mean that all the timelords can also return. So many questions unanswered.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By muzzy 1 January 2, 2010 04:22:59 PM

We didn't see what happened to The Master, he could be anywhere. He'll be back of course. Hope they manage to get Simm back again. Your review got mentioned on BBC News Simon!

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By PolarityReversed 1 January 2, 2010 06:26:06 PM

Tuppence-worth from a 40-something, who's been consistently delighted and exasperated by the retread of Dr Who, in a ratio of about 5:2. Finally, evidence that OTT Davies understands the tropes of thriller-whodunnit - something that's been sitting in front of you all the time takes on a new significance, rather than all this "I'm a Time Lord and if I stick my finger in my left ear and think of BBQ-flavoured Pringles, all the socks in the world become time-tachyonic and none of this will ever have happened" bollocks. Sure, back in the day, you got quick-fire deus ex machina devices - the polarity of the neutron flow used to get reversed more often than a government enquiry verdict. And don't even mention that ****ing dog... But such moments used to be based on some kind of half-graspable scientific, moral or historical premise. Something - anything, just not Harry Potterish wand-waving. Oh, and someone in the production department seems to have screwed up the courage to leave a dictionary on RTD's desk open at the entry for "bathos". Well done whoever you are, I hope you didn't get blasted out of existence by a glove borrowed from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I've never really liked the soapy aspect of RTD's take on things - did we ever give a flying Tardis about Jo Grant's granddad's ingrowing toenail or or the marital problems Leela must have had with that Time Lord Beefeater she shacked up with? So OTT lobbied for and got an extra dollop of minutes - big achievement in the Dalek Empire that is the BBC. Ego, pure and simple - let's take this time to remind you of all that we've given you over the past five years. Fair enough, I suppose, but the scope of the "fond farewell" section suggests to me that this finale was conceived more as RTD's swansong than DT's. IMO, a better (and less selfish) use of the time would have been to advance the new Doctor a few scenes into trouble, allowing for a much better cliffhanger, and giving the new guy a chance to do a little bit more than frantically channel DT's take on the Doc. What do I know. "I don't want to go" was a stroke of genius though. As to the casting of a new lead who's only slightly older than a pint of milk - I don't like it. But then I was wrong about the introduction of Tom Baker (don't care what you say, the best - in memoriam Barry Letts) and very wrong about David Tennant, so I'm happy to wait and see. Birth and renewal was a happy byproduct of the fact that Bill Hartnell couldn't remember scripts and went a bit la-la. (Come to think of it, Tom Baker went a bit Lala as well...) It's been a great achievement to bring DW back so successfully, and I think the strength of criticism floating around really only indicates how many people are so passionate about it all. So plaudits to all, now time must move on. Oh, and if anyone reading this is listening or cares, I appreciate that you have to justify the budget for Murray Gold's orchestral filmic scoring. But a bit of gentle "ducking" the music and FX under the dialogue track might just mean people would rewatch the episodes for the right reasons... Happy new decade to all. BTW This may be just my Xmas-fuddled brain, but did anyone else reckon that the Martha-Mickey "final favour" would have to happen in the future? BTW2 What happened to that ****ing hand in the jar? Never want to see the bloody thing again, I'm just curious. BTW3 DW Honours List: Make Donna millionaire, save Martha's life, tell Rose she's cool, get Jack laid. What? BTW4 Please no more spinoffs. Donna Noble - The Shopping of Doom. Rose Tyler - Relative Accents in Time and Space. Wilf! - Freedom Pass to Other Dimensions. The Ood Couple. Enough. Leave it alone...

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Slacker 1 January 2, 2010 07:19:50 PM

I'd love to see Simm back as the Master, but played with Moffatts guidance, rather than RTD. I think that would be a treat.

Attn: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Discrespective 1 January 2, 2010 08:47:04 PM

Epic On Unprecedented Level !!! I Love You David Tennant :-(

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Omniaural 1 January 2, 2010 09:15:59 PM

EOT:pt2 was definitely better than pt1 in that it was a succession of exciting moments and well acted set pieces. Did it make sense? Not one bit! I really wanted the timelords back, especially the evil kind. Lots of new storylines for the new doctor there. RTD has always failed on the big sci-fi moments though, prefering to focus on the 'human drama' side at which he excels. Goood luck to him for the future but I'm eager to see what the new direction is going to be. I really hope the Matt Smith will play the doctor differently and not just be DT-Lite.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Hateaol 1 January 3, 2010 12:33:33 AM

Actually, the clues behind the relationship between the Doctor and Donna (and, by extension, Wilf) have been there for quite awhile. Despite having uber-close relationships with the Doctor, Donna and Wilf are the only ones who don't have romantic thoughts about him. (In fact, in Donna's case, it's a running joke!) In "The Fires of Pompeii", there is even what we initially assumed to be a mistaken remark about a "family resemblance". And, of course, there are the conversations between Wilf and the Master, and later the Doctor and Wilf...("I'd be proud if...") Add that two the Doctor's knowing look at Donna, and the off-camera revelation by RTD and Julie Gardner that the Woman In White is indeed the Doctor's Mother... ...And besides, how else could he be "half human on his mother's side"? (In addition to being stated in the TV-movie, it was at one time posted on the FAQ for the current series on the BBC website. I wouldn't be at all surprised, incidentally, if all of this is linked to a certain lady with the initials "RS" who was shocked to find herself face to face with Donna Noble!

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Interference 1 January 3, 2010 01:00:05 AM

Crichton13 - you are obviously Ian Levine.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Interference 1 January 3, 2010 01:01:32 AM

And guys... if you're typing more than 4 lines in the comments, you're just whispering into the wind. No one is reading.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By johng79 1 January 3, 2010 07:20:10 PM

My guess is that RTD writes dialogue with a quill and plot with a crayon.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By giociampa 1 January 3, 2010 07:31:43 PM

@Interference I am...

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Carbontoe 1 January 4, 2010 08:50:10 AM

I agree with most of the posters here, the episode was average with a drawn out regeneration which IMO killed the impact.... and what was up with the music? Far too loud and sentimental.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By wizball 1 January 4, 2010 11:28:04 AM

I am slightly confused by Tennant's last words, "I don't want to go". At the end of Season 4, he was killed by the Dalek while running towards Rose. He appeared to be "regenerating" (also creating the meta-crisis plus a copy of himself) but then he didn't go - he just continued on as Tennant. So if he doesn't want to go now, why would he? It all seems a bit inconsistent.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By giociampa 1 January 4, 2010 12:18:48 PM

@wizball I guess that the non-regeneration was possible as the Dalek only winged him rather than catching him full-on - which I think is a first in itself

Regeneration Choices
Posted By wizball 1 January 4, 2010 01:10:33 PM

@giociampa: guess that's as likely as any "official" explanation would offer, and somewhat more amusing to boot ("tis only a flesh wound"). Thanks for the suggestion.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By geekmom 1 January 4, 2010 04:27:32 PM

@wizball, giociampa: I thought Tennant was able to not regenerate after the Dalek shot because he was able to siphon the excess regeneration energy into the convenient bubbly hand. Since it was part of him, it was able to soak up the energy and grow a whole new "him." No hand, no way to siphon off the energy. Of course, if that's all it takes, you'd think the Time Lords would have come up with some fun little tech that would do the same thing without the possibility of creating clones all over the place, but hey, I don't watch the show for its impenetrable logic.

Regeneration Choices
Posted By wizball 1 January 4, 2010 11:06:19 PM

@Geekmom. Interesting explanation. In light of that, and given that it took Tennant about 3 hours to die on New Year's Day, I am surprised it didn't occur to him to cut his own hand off, fix up the radiation problem, then siphon off the "excess" regeneration energy into the newly severed hand to remain his perfectly good self. After all, he knew the trick worked cos he had already done it once, plus he was on the verge of regenerating so his own hand would grow back too!!! That would have made awesome kids TV :-)

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By troughtonator 1 January 5, 2010 03:22:39 AM

After watching the end of time for the second time, I kind of wish it was I that had regenerated I was so bored.... I have to say that I am so psyched about Matt Smith and Steven Moffat coming and revamping the show. I get this sense that he's gonna be a cross between Troughton and Davison... just a feeling. Moffat I think will lend to the show a much needed Colin Baker type of Doctor Who series circa Vengence on Varos. Anyway, I've never liked Davi Tennant very much as the doctor. After watching End of Time with a fellow Who head he made an interesting point which I actually have to agree with. I think in the grand scheme of things DT will go down as the Poochie of Doctor Who. A successful Poochie, but a Poochie none the less.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By Lachesis 1 January 5, 2010 01:14:30 PM

I agree there is a lot of David Tennant hysteria at present becasue for a large number of folks he's the only conistsent actor in the role...toward the end most Doctors would claim the 'best evar' title, but more important is how history remembers them...I liked him a lot but he's 7th on my list. Another point is his qouted age in EoT he claims to be 906.....but in Revelation of the Daleks the 6th Doctor proclaims himself a nine hundred year old timelord....of course he is apt to exageration but this is actually far more conisitent with other age claims ie 4th Doctor 748 in Pyramids of Mars, 2nd Doctor 450 in Tomb of the Cybermen etc... There may have been other age claims along the way but really the 10th Doctor should be anywhere between 1200-1500 imo

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By AlanBeak 1 January 5, 2010 04:18:46 PM

December 2008. Phone Conversation: Russell T Davies: "Hi its me, Russell T Davies." BBC: "Oh hey Russ" Russ: "Russell T." BBC: "Sorry, Russell T" Russ: "Thats okay, listen, I can't really be arsed to do any more Doctor Who" BBC: "oh, oh God. Really? thats um, right, really? we'll pay you more money and stuff." Russ: "Really? oh well, maybe then. But not a series, I'll do four mediocre episodes and I don't want any script editing of my work, I want everything I write to appear on screen" BBC: "um, okay. how about instead of "mediocre" we call them "specials?" Russ: "yeah, whatever." BBC: "Great. We are all looking forward to the last four specials then, especially after the emotionally charged finale of the last series." Russ: "yeah, of course. right well I've already written two of them in the pub, so I'll get off to my office to start writing the last two specials with my bucket. I think I'll have ALL of the current Doctor's companions in it. I also rather liked the multiple ending structure of the last Lord of the Rings film" BBC: "Sorry, Bucket?" Russ: "Yeah, my plot bucket. Its finale time, so I just put all the best things about my Doctor Who and any cool bits of sci-fi I like the look of on bits of paper and chuck them in a bucket, pick them out at random and hey presto! a two part finale!" BBC: "um, okay Russ about that" Russ: "Russell T" BBC: "sorry, Russell T. About that, won't that lead to plot holes? for example, you can't use Donna without her head exploding" Russ: "Yeah I though about that, don't worry, if anything like that comes up I'll just get the Doctor to completely dismiss it in a smug one-liner. I'm gonna bring back the Master. John Simm has already said he'd love to do it for his bank balance...I mean his kids" BBC: "Okay, great, can't wait to see them then! Roll on Christmas 2009" Click.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By AlanBeak 1 January 5, 2010 04:20:00 PM

Humph. That didn't handle my scrip formatting too well. Sorry Everyone :(

Russell T "Specials"
Posted By wizball 1 January 5, 2010 07:18:03 PM

@AlanBeak Pure Comic Genius

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By eyerockz 1 January 6, 2010 08:55:10 AM

Just 1 idea, and my apologies for not being able to read through the previous posts ... but, did (curse me, if you must) anyone notice the rhythm of The Master's Drums vs. the original theme's Bass Line? Also, is there any contact w/Roy Skelton (voice of the Daleks in Genesis Of The...) compared to Nicholas Briggs??? (Love yall's site!)

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By moorish 1 January 6, 2010 01:32:06 PM

Good episode - 10's last words were a bit shit though. Would've liked to see him man up a bit at the end and take it on the chin.

Re: Doctor Who: The End Of Time Part Two review
Posted By xtrmntr 1 January 12, 2010 12:07:47 PM

Hope it's not too late to get this answered... Why did it take the glance of the old woman time lord to make the Doctor whoot the machine instead of a person? Why not just shoot the machine anyway?
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