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Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens

Simon Brew


We’ve been salivating at the thought of what Steven Moffat could do with a finale two-parter since he first got the top job on Doctor Who. The answer? “A lot”.

Wow. Steven Moffat raises the stakes quite brilliantly with the penultimate episode of Doctor Who series 5, The Pandorica Opens. Here's our spoiler-filled review...

Published on Jun 19, 2010


Oh blimey. How good was that? We’ve been salivating at the thought of what Steven Moffat could do with a finale two-parter since he first got the top job on Doctor Who. The answer? “A lot”.

What's more, it took no time at all for him to get going. For remember when, at the end of series three of the revived Doctor Who, Russell T Davies pulled a twist that suddenly made an episode earlier in the series relevant (The Lazarus Experiment, in that case), in the kind of move that made you appreciate – whether you liked how he did it or not – that he’d be plotting everything all along?

Well, Steven Moffat did that too. The difference? He managed to throw fresh light on at least three different stories even before the credits had rolled, as he joined some of the less obvious dots that have been bubbling under the surface. Bluntly, if you've been following the cracks in time, you've been looking in the wrong place.

The haunting opening scenes of Van Gogh were, to an extent, the moments we never got to see in Vincent And The Doctor, as Van Gogh is gripped by his depression, as he faces his darkest days (and, as it turned out, a premonition).

Then? It’s back to the Cabinet War rooms, as Bracewell examines one of Van Gogh’s paintings, then through Winston Churchill passes it to River Song. Cue River Song doing a bit of a Poison Ivy kiss, then turning into Cleopatra, all to present that Van Gogh premonition painting – with date and map references – of the Tardis exploding.

And only then were we allowed the opening credits. We could barely get our breath, and felt like breaking into spontaneous applause on the spot. But it was just the sign of what was to come.

Post those credits, we get confirmation of what the Pandorica we’ve been teased with is – namely, the device to hold the most feared and dangerous thing in the Universe. It didn’t take a big guessing game – even if you hadn’t seen the spoilers all week – to guess that that’d end up involving the Doctor at some point. But we were still some way away from getting that confirmed.

Instead, Moffat then focused on upping the ante. And he did this significantly, by throwing pretty much everything he could find at the Doctor (demonstrating why he'd been saving his special effects budget up in the process).

The setting for most of the action was Stonehenge, where the Doctor quickly discovers the Pandorica. And on the way to it (and the transmitters around it), there’s a loose Cyberman arm and helmet on the floor.

It’s testament to the skill of Steven Moffat again that he makes those single pieces of Cyberman far more threatening than we’ve seen the men of steel in a long, long time. Even accepting the loose Cyberman arm has the shooting skills of a stormtrooper (and we got bits of an Empire Strikes Back vibe from a few bits of the episode), the Medusa-esque head going for Amy was really, really well done.

But it’s not just the Cybermen the Doctor has to fear. A collection of many of his foes (and yay for the namecheck of the Zygons) are orbiting the Earth, allowing Matt Smith to brilliantly deliver another speech along the lines of the ending of The Eleventh Hour (a brilliant scene it was too). That’ll buy me half an hour, he concludes. He was pretty much bang on, too, as he continued to excel in the show's lead role.

With River Song urging him to run, and wisely noting that all good wizards in fairy tales tend to end up being the Doctor, we learn that the Pandorica is beginning to open, and that it should be ready for two minutes before the credits roll. “Everything that ever hated you is coming here tonight,” says River Song. The clue to the dark, dark cliffhanger is laid there right for you.

In then comes some help, this time in the shape of some Romans (the latest throwback to the William Hartnell era, perhaps?) that River Song has managed to recruit. And wouldn’t you know it, one of them happens to be Rory.

This is no easy resurrection here, though. Even though any seasoned Doctor Who fan has been predicting his return, this Rory did die, and all he can remember is instantly becoming a Roman, with Roman things in his head. This is not the comeback we were expecting.

But it is one that gives Steven Moffat his other main thread of the episode. For Amy and Rory come face to face with one another, and the latter tries to get the former to remember who he is.

And yet, we learn there’s more to Amy than we first realised. In fact, dig out that DVD of The Eleventh Hour, and you’ll see lots of clues to The Pandorica Opens sat in her house. A book on the Romans, full of people who look exactly like those helping the Doctor. The Pandora’s Box book, too. Just the sheer emptiness of the house, as well. When River Song discovers these, she soon puts the dots together, works out that it's all a trap, and appreciates that the fit is very much hitting the shan.

It’s only at this point, as the episode was continually throwing developments and important pieces of dialogue at us that we sat back and remembered that this is Saturday evening television. This is what Stephen Fry was underselling as children’s television earlier this week. Heck Stephen, if this is what the kids get, then we’re off to watch the Disney Channel as soon as this review is live.

Because there was still more to come. Out of nowhere, the Romans all turned into Autons – seen for the first time since Rose, back in 2005 – and that included Rory. This led to yet another shock moment: just as Amy remembered who Rory was, Rory couldn’t stop himself shooting her. A full-on Doctor Who assistant getting shot and killed by a monster? Even Adric didn't suffer that. Again, it's not going out on much of a limb to suggest that there may be a reset switch in this somewhere that’ll see people coming back to life. But that’s two main characters that have been killed at some point in the show this series, and there was still room for The Pandorica Opens to get even darker.

For eventually, the box of the title opened up, and its true purpose became clear. This wasn’t a case of a prison with nobody in it. This was a case of a prison devised for the Doctor, the person that the alliance of assorted villains and monsters (a wonderfully-realised union, albeit one that's bound to be a bit fractious) had concluded was responsible for the destruction of the universe. And the last we see of him, he was being led off to the one prison that he surely can’t easily escape. No big loud music fanfare here: it's the Doctor, locked in a box, facing silence.

And still there were more questions. Did we get, for instance, a mighty, mighty hint that River Song is the Doctor at the end there? It’s been a popular theory for a while, but it may just be true. After all, we’re told only the Doctor can fly the Tardis, and yet earlier in the episode, River has been darting around the console with ease. It’d tie together some of the Valeyard theories, and explain River’s ongoing quest to avoid spoilers.

Also, just what’s going to happen to the Tardis? That’s due to explode and everything’s due to end on the 26th June – next Saturday, of course – and while we’ve been reminded that everything can come back if it’s remembered, it’s going to take something sizeable to dig everyone out of this one.

And then there's the big question: can Steven Moffat possibly top this? We're used, with Doctor Who, to having great set-ups for finale two-parters now, only for the back end of the story to struggle to measure up. Can Mr Moffat break that curse? The signs, you have to say, are very good indeed.

Still, it goes without saying that we’re hoping the deus ex machine reset device that dug the Doctor out of a hole in series three is studiously avoided. But then it’s hardly been Steven Moffat’s style anyway.

What has been though is delivering often deep, dark and utterly compelling episodes of Doctor Who. With The Pandorica Opens, he’s not only managed that again, but he’s ensured a solid week of theorising before the final episode of the series – The Big Bang – ties things up next week. He's raised the stakes signficantly, and we simply can't wait to see how it all pays off in seven days' time. Because, for our money, The Pandorica Opens was as ambitious and brilliant as we could have hoped for.

 

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Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By matthewsouthcott 1 June 19, 2010 07:07:34 PM

I thought it was brilliant, brought the whole series together in one swoop and that was just the opening scenes. Thought the twist was brilliant and not too obvious and set up the best cliffhanger in new who history. I worry about next weeks finale being outshines by this episode, that is the only negative I could possibly have

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By SpeakerToAnimals 1 June 19, 2010 07:13:44 PM

Glad you enjoyed the episode but I don't know how many times we've been told the Doctor teaches River Song to fly the Tardis at some point in his future so where does this stuff about her being the Doctor come from? Love Rory's 'I don't want to go!' Sounds kinda familiar...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Wynter 1 June 19, 2010 07:18:36 PM

Brilliant stuff - surely the cherry on top was the sight of the universe exploding in a way that echoed how Van Gogh saw the night sky... Stephen Fry is usually spot on but Moffat has proved him seriously wrong.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By kembel_91 1 June 19, 2010 07:19:21 PM

One of the best episodes of nu-who and definitely one of the best cliffhangers! Just worried about how SM can top this. My only nitpick... a week is too long to wait!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By GARZIE 1 June 19, 2010 07:20:16 PM

Brilliant episode but what intrigues me is who is the voice in the Tardis? In a sense the real Villain has yet to be revealed yet we have all ready had an amazing cliffhanger.This week will be a long one

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Interference 1 June 19, 2010 07:21:41 PM

HOLD UP! So was that actual Rory or a duplicate of Rory created from monsters finding his picture? And if it's the dupe, as they say in confi, then how does he have all of Rory's memories?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By matthewsouthcott 1 June 19, 2010 07:25:09 PM

@Interference all the episode was taken from Amy's memories hence the books and the picture of Rory in roman fancy dress. He was an auton. Also I thought the voice in the tardis sounded very much like davros, but there was no reveal

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Interference 1 June 19, 2010 07:27:38 PM

@matthewsouthcott, if Rory is constructed out of Amy's memories... when did they scan them? If it was all stuff in her room, how does the dupe know of Rory's death, being as Amy hasn't been home since then (and saw her wedding gown - so it can't be an untelevised thing).

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Conchobhar 1 June 19, 2010 07:31:11 PM

Quality episode but did anyone else get an absolute Lost vibe from the end with that big stringy score over the flashing between several different scenes

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Samtyler73 1 June 19, 2010 07:46:10 PM

:D:DBRILLIANT:D:D but please no davros no daleks being the big villan again something new/old. Matt smith owns my soul :)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Viridis 1 June 19, 2010 07:50:23 PM

Utterly fantastic. The Moff makes the magic happen yet again. I think they're all projections of a bigger foe...and River won't end up as the Doctor. If they based everything on Amy's memories, then how does Rory know about his own death? He shouldn't know. I think Amy's connected more than she thinks she is. Maybe it's literally taken from her memories...but then she wouldn't know about the Cybermen and Autons and all the others. It's General Staal and the Silurians that should be hybernating and the fact that all the aliens used the same teleporter (graphics) that makes me question whether they're real. And the fact that if it is real then the Earth is pretty much screwed even without the TARDIS exploding. Something controlled the TARDIS, took it over and redirected it to Amy's house. Something landed there the very night the Doctor left in 'The Eleventh Hour'. Maybe it's the Angel that might still be housing in Amy's mind, taking her memories, manifesting. The shapes in the grass could be the imprint of two Angels. Or something far more sinister. Remembering the episode 'Amy's Choice' maybe this is all a dream, the Doctor's worst nightmare realized. Did the TARDIS really travel in time? How did the aliens know about the co-ordinates on Vincent Van Gogh's painting? The aliens used Stonehenge to draw in the Doctor, BECAUSE the TARDIS would explode and cause the cracks, but Vincent drew both the co-ordinates and the explosion. Something else is controlling the TARDIS. The alien alliance can't be in both places at once (well, time-travel) and it's debatable if even the Daleks have the technology to influence the TARDIS. Hence my theory of there being a Big Bad controlling all of it, either just the TARDIS or the entire ordeal. I hope either this duplicated Rory lives or real Rory returns. He's great.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 June 19, 2010 08:00:37 PM

A very good episode and what a great cliffhanger! I can't help feeling that there is going to be some sort of reset, triggered by River Song. The TARDIS is frantically trying to re-write time to save itself from being destroyed and even The Doctor hasn't worked it out yet. If the Doctor can't help the TARDIS, there is only one other person who can - River Song. Does River Song have to kill The Doctor in order for the Pandorica not to be needed, and by doing so fixes the TARDIS and resets events? I loved the link in with the Vincent Van Gogh story, and to a lesser extent the other earlier episodes. Well done Mr Moffat. Looking forward to next week when we will find out why Amy wasn't aware of the Daleks initially and why The Doctor keeps missing things. One final thought, and this is a very long shot I think, but what chance a regeneration (when the Pandorica reopens a new Doctor emerges)? If this happened it would surely be the best kept secret ever!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Doenutty 1 June 19, 2010 08:03:43 PM

Brilliant episode, I really enjoyed it. There have been comments that in the Pandorica would be the Doctor and indeed that came true in a way, a prison for s warrior albeit not in the way you would expect. It was clear Rory was coming back and this was a great way, to start with I just thought he might not have been dead and gone through the crack to another place like the fish people did (sorry cannot remember what they are called. I'm completely stumped as to how all this is going to be resolved, I am intrigued as to who's the voice in the Tardis and also why did a picture of Rory still exist in Amy's house? If Rory's existence was erased then surely all photos would have been amended too? Sure it helped with the story but still a bit odd. I wonder if the Doctor in the jacket in Flesh and Stone was just a continuity mistake or whether he will go traveling back there? All in all I basically can't wait to see where it leads next week, while at the same time I'm not pleased that the series will be ending..

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By waplet 1 June 19, 2010 08:14:15 PM

WOW! I admit my confidence wavered slightly when the cyberhead started playing octopus, but that aside I absolutely LOVED it! I took a while to warm to Matt Smith, but I will be rather angry if he is regenerated inside the Pandorica. Can't wait for next week!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By ThisLeeNoble 1 June 19, 2010 08:19:12 PM

I just want to stake my claim on the idea that The Doctor is going to be trapped in that box for 2,000 years and will get out again on 26/6/10. Could change a man, being trapped in a cube for that long.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By HampsteadNick 1 June 19, 2010 08:24:42 PM

FanF.C.ingTastic. Bravo the Moff

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By JamesScholes 1 June 19, 2010 08:26:58 PM

Wouldn't it be pretty damn anti-climactic if this was all a dream? The Dream Lord's face was reflected back at The Doctor, even after he blew up the TARDIS at the end of episode 7; that little thread of plot hasn't been explored at all since. Of course, it would be ridiculous if the plot was as as simple as that.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Roade101 1 June 19, 2010 08:34:41 PM

Wow, what an episode. Moffet has just easily topped anything RTD did (not that I have anything against RTD) and set it up brilliantly for The Big Bang. Amy is inevitably going to survive though how i know not. Rory i hope is not because that takes a lot of the fun out the series. One word which I think dispells the "River is the future doctor" theory: paradox. Surely even SM couldn't explain that. Again one hell of an episode, possibly the best ever but slightly spoiled by the fact barely any of it was a surprise. Last time i ever search the internet for spoilers.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Viridis 1 June 19, 2010 08:38:19 PM

I hope he doesn't bring back the Valeyard/Dream Lord (or the promise of the Valeyard) back so soon and rather leave it for the future, leave it at a hint for his 12th/13th incarnation rather than this finale. It would be really cool now if David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston showed up to save Matt Smith from the Pandorica, battling all the aliens side by side, but there's the risk of them turning into a glorified cameo and they deserve a full-on Three Doctors special! Maybe a future Doctor comes to the rescue? River said she learned to fly the TARDIS from the best in Time of Angels, adding that he was busy that week, either joking or implying it was someone else. In this episode she says he taught her to fly. Could be she meant a different Doctor, a future Doctor, a future incarnation? It would be a bit deus ex machina to just have a future Doctor show up in the nick of time, but I'd love for the show to break conventions of time more often. It's why the non-conventional not-in-order River Song is one of my favourite characters. I really hoped Jackson Lake really was a future incarnation in 'the next Doctor' but I'm glad we've got Matt Smith. He's fantastic. When he pleaded to his enemies to let him go I got shivers. Sometimes he looks so young, sometimes so old...how does he pull it off? He's brilliant.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By uberGribbler 1 June 19, 2010 09:40:28 PM

Anyone notice it was a storm cage that river was in? Also the ending gave new meaning to the doctor saying earlier in the series "I'm most definitely a madman in a box"

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By kev.thomas1970@hotmail.co.uk 1 June 19, 2010 09:50:38 PM

Listen to the voice in the tardis, sounds very similar to the decaying Master from The Deadly Assasin...?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By icantthinkofone 1 June 19, 2010 10:23:38 PM

Random thought, but sometimes I feel like River Song could be the doctors daughter. When River kissed the guard with the lipstick to escape prison I had a total flash back to the "doctors Daughter" episode where jenni kisses a guard to escape. Kind of dumb to base it on something like that but you never know.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By R-type 1 June 19, 2010 10:28:33 PM

The doctor isnt the only person who can fly the tardis, I mean for a start river song, but any timelord [so what if they're trapped, they got out once] and I'm pretty sure Nyssa can fly it. Could the voice be the black guardian? Surely now the doctor is a threat he would help the doctor, as he'd think it was causing chaos?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By technikome@gmail.com 1 June 19, 2010 10:42:04 PM

the doctor will get out of the box in Amy's childhood time, i saw pictures that shows she in front of pandorica in a museum.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Harith 1 June 19, 2010 11:17:09 PM

Absolutely brilliant riveting drama and action. All the scenes and plt and acting was top-drawer. I would love it if River proves to be the doctor's daughter. I too hope that the voice is neither Davros nor the Master, rather some other baddie that we totally underestimated - perhaps the Dream Lord.....In Amy's choice don't Amy and Rory see their future selves waving at them across the hill. Could it be that we get the other Rory and Amy's perspective in the next episode? Can't wait for the finale. Definitely the best new DW episode I've so far.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Lachesis 1 June 20, 2010 12:03:17 AM

It was rather exciting and incredible all at the same time...... (love the threat he generated from one lone damaged Cyberman - long overdue cred for my fave enemy) - and yet how many times did RTD throw everything up in the air for his cliffhanger and then really cheat us with a 'rabbit from nowhere' that made no sense or permit any kind of audience involvement... hopefully Moffat is not going to employ that sort of conciet, but till part 2 conlcudes I will reserve judgement on this story.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By ngb222 1 June 20, 2010 12:04:39 AM

Favorite characters are Riversong, loved her from day one in The Library episode, she is a perfect fit for this show. (loved her on ER) and I love that she is always "out of time as well, very intriguing. And Rory is my favorite this season for a companion. Amy and the Doctor are too lighthearted and full of self involved patter, ( I feel them "acting" sometimes, and it bugs me). Rory helps balance it out and bring it down. Love him. I think the real bad guy is the guy from last week who built another Tardis. I think he is the one they should of locked in the box, and it will come out that he is the one who is blowing up the universe not our Doctor. Fun stuff.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By antonio7865 1 June 20, 2010 12:37:09 AM

It's all very simple... The TARDIS explodes ending a chain reaction of events which starts a Big Bang which has at its centre a singularity, The Pandorica. Inside is a regenerated Doctor in the form of the old man upstairs from The Lodger episode which was of course Doctor Number One trying to rebuild his newly stolen TARDIS...but remember this is only one dimension which the TARDIS allows us to see. Perhaps we are allowed to speculate on another tweleve dimensions...another tweleve Doctors, and I wonder who they could be??? The series reborn? the Doctor has another 13 lives and show has a BBC production contract till 2063???

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By shelsfc 1 June 20, 2010 01:02:26 AM

I don't think the Doctor is the only one who can fly the Tardis, sure wasn't Amy (sort of) flying it last week? Not to mention the Master back at the end of S3. The Doctor may be the one connected to it, the only one who (at the risk of making the Tardis sound like an emo teenager) really 'gets' it, but other people can definitely fly it. Given that, I don't really buy the 'River is the Doctor' theory, not with her notebook/diary keeping track of his various incarnations and those sorts of references. Also, when she said that she killed the 'best man she ever knew', the implication was there that that was a reference to the Doctor (though assuming anything with this show is of course a mistake!), I could never imagine the Doctor character describing himself (herself?) that way. Having said all that, I'm not entirely convinced she's his wife either.. Slightly off topic, but when River was in the Storm Cage at the start, that's presumably after she killed whoever she killed, but before she was let out with Father Octavian. Right? So she goes back there between the end of this story and the start of 'The Time of Angels'...Just trying to get this part of her timeline straight in my head! Rory...ah Rory, I love that guy. Delighted to see him back. I caught that 'I don't want to go' line too, caused a bit of a lump in my throat if I'm honest! I can't see how he is part of the same illusion as the rest of them, if they're supposed to be from Amy's memory, it just doesn't quite work out...unless they're gonna have it turn out that his connection with Amy has left some sort of 'imprint' on her that means they can access his feelings and whatnot...that would be a bit of a cop out, I hope there's something a bit more interesting in store for us there! Good episode though, I didn't see any of the spoilers this week, so didn't quite expect that ending...thought 'the most feared being in all the cosmos' might have something to do with the Docotr alright, but wasn't expecting Matt Smith to be herded in there at the end...incredibly well acted scene by him. Really looking forward to next week!!

River Song...
Posted By hooplahey 1 June 20, 2010 01:02:42 AM

River Song can't be the doctor...in series 4 she dies and doesn't regenerate...also she flirts with the Doctor..that would be a bit sick if she was a future him. Another reason being if it was the Doctor then the library would be (her/his) big regeneration episode...hardly a big surprise, eh?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By cordas2 1 June 20, 2010 02:54:05 AM

Really enjoyed this episode, but won't judge it till I have seen the conclusion 1st. Wasn't at all impressed by the This episode also showed up a fair amount of the rest of the season I felt, it was pretty much a different show to most the season which I agree with Mr Fry was rather childish. As for the actual episode I guessed the Dr twist as a distinct possibility when he was talking about it being it maybe being a trickster and when he said it had defeated half the universe. Loved the stuff with Rory, very emotional and all 3 portrayed their roles brilliantly and really brought the darker elements of the show to life. On the speculation front, don't think River is the Dr, seems too obvious hadn't considered her being his daughter but that would be interesting really I think she is going to remain an enigma for a series or 2 more at least. Rory isn't Rory but I think he might just save the day and might just save the day possibly convincing Amy she isn't a monster.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Armand27 1 June 20, 2010 02:57:46 AM

I think that the keys that the guy gave the Doctor in ep 11 with unlock the box and get the Doctor out.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 June 20, 2010 03:28:42 AM

I'm pretty sure that River is the Doctor's Daughter, from Season Three. If I remember correctly, Russell was gonna kill her off, but MOFF HIMSELF requested that she live. I would not be surprised it at some point Ms. Davidson took over the part of River. Now, spoiler concept art aside, the Rory Auton was a complete shock! And my vote is for either Omega or the Black Guardian as the voice in the Tardis. Both have the power to screw with it (especially the Black Guardian), although I really have no idea! The end of this episode reminds me of the fifth "Hitchhiker's Guide" book, with it's complete and utterly total ending. Wouldn't it be the cruelest move in the world to end the whole series right here? That's it! "Pandorica Opens" is the last episode ever, all the villains win, and the universe explodes! ;)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By gotheek 1 June 20, 2010 03:48:20 AM

Did anyone else notice the design on the face of the Pandorica - the same as the displays on the Dalek ship back in Victory of the Daleks.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By antonio7865 1 June 20, 2010 04:07:38 AM

River Song IS NOT Jenny, the Doctor's daughter. Nor is River Song a "future" version of the Doctor or the Doctor's mother, and no, she is not Susan, the Doctor's grandaughter. She is married to a future Doctor that we haven't met yet.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 June 20, 2010 05:08:53 AM

"River Song IS NOT Jenny, the Doctor's daughter. Nor is River Song a "future" version of the Doctor or the Doctor's mother..." ----- Well, thank you for setting us all straight, Karnak. Glad you dropped by to clear that up. Now shouldn't you get back to curing cancer or something?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Morbius 1 June 20, 2010 05:18:55 AM

I was not really enjoying this episode that much, but then with the revelation that all these enemies were working together to make a trap from Amy's memories, I was suddenly so engaged with trying to decide if that made sense that at least the episode held some value as an intellectual puzzle. However, now I've had time to think it through and realize that it doesn't make any sense, after all. To me, the only good explanation for this series is that Amy is some sort of godlike alien who has been unconsciously messing around with reality. Perhaps something traumatised her to make her forget her real past of being an alien. Once she remembers, things will go back to normal and the real family from her house will come back, as will the ducks in the pond, etc. And those annoying technicolor Daleks will have never been created. It will be as if the whole series never happened. That would be great, because with all the stupid things of this series like technicolor Daleks, Angels that can move when looking at each other, Cybermen whose heads attack like octopuses and who can walk and speak with no brains, and sonic screwdrivers that heal wounds--all those things will basically have been a bad dream. That would be so great. And yet, because this is Moffat, instinct tells me the explanation will turn out to be something far, far less satisfying and coherent.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By timetraveller13 1 June 20, 2010 08:00:56 AM

The episode was simply amazing. The acting, the atmosphere, the music everything! The way Moffat treated Rory's return was very clever. BTW I really loved the voice saying "Silence will fall" and The Doctor's enemies hypocrisie. They have tried numerous times to destroy The Universe and he stopped them and now the appear saying that they have to protect it from him who they believe to be far more dangerous than they are. However I just didn't quite understand when did The Autons scan Amy's memories. Did they go to her home and found the book about the Romans and the rest or they scanned it before sometime before Rory's death? However I still have some doubts about the finale. I'm not sure whether they can give proper explanations to everything. Well that's the bad stuff. There's something far more interesting, the question "Who's the big bad of the finale?". Let's hope The Master won't be ressurected this time lol. But no something like that won't propably happen. There are many enemies who could have framed The Doctor like that. First of all, The Time Lords! They can easily control The TARDIS while they're the ones who, from what we saw in EOT, want to "rip The Time Vortex apart". Not to mention that for them, this the perfect way to avenge The Doctor for destroying Gallifrey. They make everyone believe that he destroyed his TARDIS in order to cause the cracks and then he is imprisoned by his enemies. After that when the Universe is destroyed they re-open the Pandorica and show him their "accomplishment". Other possible enemies: Omega, The Beast and The Dream Lord. Omega gave The Time Lords the power of Time Travel, I believe that he could remote control The TARDIS and then destroy the Universe (he doesn't actually need a proper reason, his hatred for The Doctor and his madness are enough). Now about The Beast. It's a creature from before The Universe that was defeated in the Impossible Planer/Satan pit two-parter. However as they say in that episode The Devil is an idea so it could easily be brought back while since it existed before The Universe I believe it probably is powerful enough to survive the destruction. And let's not forget the way it used technology, it could appear on a screen, control communications etc. He can probably remote control The TARDIS. Now about The Dream Lord. Although he could be a weaker form of The Valeyard and would make a very good enemy, he can only manipulate dreams, not reality, so he's excluded. In conclusion, this is one of the best series so far, most of the episodes were amazing. The only thing we need is just an good finale to complete the whole thing (and many extras for the DVD). Let's hope Moffat breaks DW's "Deus ex Machina finale curse"!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Viridis 1 June 20, 2010 08:19:28 AM

Maybe the Pandorica acts as an 'impact chamber' and the Doctor survives the end of the universe (well, trapped). I think the Pandorica was activated the moment he touched it. The close-up of his hand reminded me of Rose touching the Dalek. So the plans of the alliance backfire because the Doctor is the only one to survive. Heh.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Dierk 1 June 20, 2010 08:26:37 AM

Let's not forget a crucial question raised before by Moffat in this series: What for has River Song been in high security gaol? I've thought for quite some time she's imprisoned for having killed the Doctor. [BTW, she becomes Professor later on in her life.]

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By milliemorten 1 June 20, 2010 08:37:02 AM

Morbius why do u even bother? There are sone people that just will not be happy at any cost. Thank god u r in the minority. Go and choose a new show to dislike intensely and moan about. I loved this season and this episode was awesome. Edge of your seat stuff. I can't wait for next week. Reading the other theories all I would say is I don't think there is a deeper reason for Auton Rory other than already said. Amys memories were scanned and it used Rory as part of that. This being sci fi it's easy to pick anything apart if we try. Dr Who more than anything requires us to set aside out disbelief and run with it. A leap of faith. This has been a brilliant season. Yes the poorer over used cgi has been evident but the stronger writing has transcended that. Brilliant.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By tinspider 1 June 20, 2010 09:20:40 AM

First off, a huge Thankyou to the Moff for giving us the best series of Who ever. I've loved every episode - something I couldn't even say with 'my Doctor' as a child (Tom Baker) I'm really hoping we don't get a RTD cop out ending that magically makes everything better in the last 5 mins but with the Moffs skill, I very much doubt it. This is going to be the longest effin week ever.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By neutron_bomber 1 June 20, 2010 09:29:46 AM

The universe ended when the TARDIS blew up in amys time 2010. The doctor was shoved in the box 2000 yrs before that. So the Doctors only hope is that someone remembers he's down there during those 2000yrs and rescues hime before the universe ends in 2010. And it will be young Amelia who does the remembering me thinks. Simples.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Noddle 1 June 20, 2010 09:41:19 AM

Everything I've heard (which, admittedly, is precisely just a little bit more than bugger all) points to Amelia saving the universe neutron, though quite how I've no idea. Note to self - Don't look for spoilers for TV shows any more. It's far more enjoyable not knowing what happens (beyond the traditional Matt and Karen'll make it out alive due to them shooting series 6 next month). That was an immensely epic episode - is it just me who thinks that DW's been running on turbo boosters all year? The episodes don't seem as long as some of the others from previous years.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By angim350 1 June 20, 2010 09:45:02 AM

Wow. Superb. This episode neatly tied together all the running plot threads from the series as a whole and it was brilliant to see Winson, Bracewell, River Song and the Queen all worried about Vincent's painting. I think this episode even comes close to topping the Stolen Earth! Brilliant twist; although I find it really hard that the Sontarons, Cybermen or Daleks could possibly aline themselves with anyone it was superb seeing them all there. Of course eventually they would realize that the Doctor continously kicks their asses and they should trap him. The Autons were superb and I really really like Rory. I hope they find a way to bring him back but it dosen't look like he's back to stay.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By fithteenth 1 June 20, 2010 09:46:24 AM

Hate to state the obvious but did everyone else notice the possible Jack on a box? When River is bargaining with the big fat blue alien, the wrist of the 'handsome time agent' in the box! After all if Jack is to become The Face of Boe he had to lose the other bits at some time?!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By JBT27 1 June 20, 2010 09:47:38 AM

Undoubtedly a great episode, and can't wait for the finale itself. But, with the return of Rory, in any form, the notion of ceasing to exist and being erased from memory etc etc lost alot of its powerful impact. We all saw Rory taken into the vortex and Amy gradually forget him - great stuff ..... oh, but hold on - there are memories of him somewhere in there (otherwise this Rory construct couldn't have been made) ..... it's a miracle, says the Doctor, who doesn't believe in them - there's your deux et machina right there, albeit for a lesser plot line. I'm going to be cynical and say it looked alot like a cheap device to bring Rory back to save her from the Cyberman, only to shoot her dead later. Though of course she can't be, not least because she's signed up for Series 6. A minor gripe on the universe winking out - it might have been nice to see all those stars exploding more like in a Van Gogh painting ..... and I hope there is a very good reason why the Sun is still shining, when all the rest have gone nova ..... ! The biggest stumbling block I have, which I'm hoping is down to as yet unknown story elements, is River Song. By now, it is very clear that she and the Doctor have had a very intense and close relationship, so it seems, though we only have her word for that - it's in her past, but so far, in the Doctor's future. Whether it's the Matt Smith incarnation, or some later one, remains to be seen, and indeed whether it is actually romantic ..... I can't help wondering if somewhere down the line, let's say this Doctor meets a much younger River Song, unknowingly at first, and that's when the relationship begins. Except that in the first meeting, with the Tennant Doctor, I recall her looking into his eyes and saying something like he was still very young, having already established that he didn't recognise her. But watching last night, and knowing that she has had this relationship with the Doctor, I started to nag a bit that the Library where she 'died' is an adventure she hasn't arrived at yet, but the Doctor has (in his previous form). That's OK - even though she time travels as well (though I'm guessing she is not a Time Lord, nor the Doctor for that matter), as an older woman, that relationship is over, and travelling to the Library is in her future, though not that far in her future I'm guessing. Interesting that she has that diary of spoilers, but the Doctor surely has a full memory of the Library and her 'death', which at this point she knows nothing about. Thing is though, that as the Doctor has not arrived at that relationship yet, it's in his future, but she is past all that, you do wonder that River Song ought to have a reasonable notion of how the Pandorica resolves ..... unless he never spoke of it to her. With River Song and The Doctor, there are considerable echos of 'The Time Traveller's Wife', which I like alot (the book anyway - haven't seen the film). So far, we only know how it ends - that said, as Moffat has alluded to the fact he has the whole thing mapped out already, and the two Doctors so far have taken alot on faith that there IS a close relationship somewhere in the Doctor's future, you do wonder if there is a major league twist coming down the line for us. Hope so!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By crichton13 1 June 20, 2010 10:18:16 AM

Brilliant stuff - at last Moffat gets into his stride. So... The Trickster anybody???

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Mawson 1 June 20, 2010 10:38:05 AM

Nice, I really enjoyed most of this episode. My only negative would be seeing all those villains working together. It somehow seems to de-fang them a little. I just can't imagine the Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarons etc working together in this manner. In addition, why have they fallen for the old villain thing of locking the hero in some death-trap. Haven't they ever watched a Bond film!? Having gone to so much effort to get the Doctor where they want him, why not just kill him? Anyway, those are my only two gripes in what was an excellent episode in an excellent fifth series. Very much looking forward to next week.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By StephanieDrMe 1 June 20, 2010 10:39:56 AM

Excellent Episode i knew it was going to be involve the doctor being in there. Does anyone else think that perhaps the voice in the tardis could the trickster!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By poundingbeats 1 June 20, 2010 10:50:18 AM

Well an uneven season reaches the penultimate episode which degenerated into what could have been an 80s episode (if they'd made it) where all the monsters work together...really. Surely I can't be the only one who didn't enjoy this? With one episode to go let's hope that the Moff can redeem himself.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Norton77 1 June 20, 2010 11:02:19 AM

Let's be honest - it was quite clearly signposted that the Pandorica, that would hold "...the most dangerous being in the universe" was meant for the Doctor himself. This episode would have been an amazingly brave bit of TV if it had been the final episode of the season... however, we've one more to go so all will be fixed and everything will be rosy, and then they'll be a little teaser for what is to come next season. A predictable episode, then, but still very well done. I am not ashamed to admit to having a man-crush on Matt Smith, and I'm full-on in love with Amy. *drool*

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Posted By xtrmntr 1 June 20, 2010 11:10:13 AM

I must have been watching a different episode from everyone else. For me (and the wife) that was easily the worst episode of the series. There was hardly any story, and events moved so quickly as to make the episode non-sensical. In fact it reminded both of us of 'The Stolen Earth', which apart from the cliffhanger was an absolute turkey. And all of the Doctor's enemies working together and all having time-travel? How lame was that. Never thought I would say it but Army of Ghosts was way better :-) Even the Moff has off days.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By tombombadil66 1 June 20, 2010 11:11:35 AM

My only gripe is that maybe this should have been the last episode, to be picked up at the start of series 6. We don't have proper cliffhangers anymore and we rarely have the long waits that Americans endure between seasons. A straightforward happy ending next week will not suffice. The bar has been raised!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By melissa.seymour@live.com.au 1 June 20, 2010 11:21:57 AM

Ok so a few plot hole's to tie together: 1) Amy doesn't remember the Darleks 2) Rory being back in the photo (even though his 'erased') I'm beginning to suspect that Amy is part of the plant. My theory goes that while all others in the 'alliance' beleive Amy and her village are humans that were selected, I think one of them specifically designed Amy to be a companion (i.e. damsel in distress). That is why she has so many rooms, and why we never see her aunty, maybe Amy was once a human girl or maybe she always was a creation. The reason I do not think everyone in the alliance know about it, is just because I think it would be really awesome if in season 2 with Smith we uncover that, Amy as some sort of 'sleeper cell' to bring down the Dr. I think the reason Rory is back in the photo in the episode is because Amy remembers him and this may somehow break time. She remembers him on 26/6/2010, remembering her wedding maybe causes time to break. Either that or the doctor and her next season will go on a quest to resurrect Rory (would be rather interesting). I am less inclinded to think that River Song is Doctors daughter as too much flirting. I do think she may be timelord, as I think only time lords can actually FLY the tardis. Also why does the tardis re-direct the call to River. It may sound cheesy but I also wonder sometimes if maybe River was created out of part of the tardis, and shares parts with it somehow. I know that's probably a lame theory from over empathising with a non-living being. That's probably a sign that I should sleep. :)

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Posted By tubster 1 June 20, 2010 11:58:38 AM

i was a bit unsure about matt smith, but this episode has changed it all.brilliant! i just hope next weeks episode is just as good. love the crucifiction symbolism in the main picture.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By cordas2 1 June 20, 2010 12:06:49 PM

I just love the absolute certainty that some people have that they 'KNOW' what is going to happen, and what somethings that have happened will mean e.t.c. At the end of the day this is a TV show that thrives on pulling cat after cat out of the most unlikely of bags. How about a little less certainty and a little more enjoyable speculation. Unless you have seen the final episode you 'KNOW' diddly squat, and if you have can you please shush up as some of us will kill you for giving spoilers! Oh and as for 'well they are about to start filming the next series together' there are TV shows that have said things like this to deceive the public before...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Viridis 1 June 20, 2010 12:22:29 PM

@xtrmmntr My theory is that they're all not real, projections of manipulated memories or nightmares which would explain why they all have time travel and work so well together. Of course, if they are real the Daleks could've just shared the technology of time-travel with the others which allowed them to be there all at once. @cordas2 I don't claim to know anything for certain, but the River=The Doctor theory just sounds ridiculous to me. This is the first time in any series of Doctor Who that I have absolutely no idea what will transpire in the final episode. Not even a clue or feeling. They could jump to any time zone, any character, any alien and there's so many questions left: why'd you call it a duck pond if there aren't any ducks? Where is Amy's aunt? What's up with her house? Who controls the TARDIS? Did it really explode? What's up with the scene in Flesh and Stone? What's up with the dream Amy had in the Eleventh Hour? Why does Rory know about his death? The Doctor finally admitted he took Amy with him for a reason, which I suspected since the start, but how much does he know and has figured out since the first episode? I can't wait to find out. This has been an amazing series.

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Posted By cordas2 1 June 20, 2010 12:23:16 PM

I am hoping that they manage to tie up the loose ends and make those gaping plot holes disappear without giving us some deus ex mmechana ending, but must admit I am expecting a few howlers to be just quietly shuffled under the carpet at the end of the episode. To my mind Amy is the obvious monster /solution and Rory is the key that turns her one way or the other, River Song is I feel a distraction as in her story/role will be minor and they will keep that for the next season (or maybe even the one after). As to who or what is 'the big bad' I am still confused there are more than a few possibilities that merit consideration, I am also really curious about the whole time travel and rift elements of the story (if I remember correctly the Doc pulled the wiping things from history explanation out of fresh air, so his (and our) assumptions could be wrong) as they are the most perplexing, I just hope that Mof and co have put as much thought into explaining the plot as they have into crafting it!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Dierk 1 June 20, 2010 01:24:04 PM

Another fact from this series: Prisoner Zero uses the memories of his comatose victims.

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Posted By cordas2 1 June 20, 2010 01:42:03 PM

Yeah I have been wondering about prisoner zero a fair bit over the last few episodes.... and if it is somehow involved.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Abomination 1 June 20, 2010 02:14:38 PM

A truly brilliant episode, and one that proves that Smith is the perfect Doctor, Gillan is the perfect companion, and Moffat is the perfect writer to fuel such an intense series. Alex Kingston was marvellous as River Song yet again. She shows that she has got many years up on Matt and Karen in the acting department, but both lead actors pulled off their best performances so far. A suitably stunning entry that will hopefully bring the fifth series full circle next week :)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By pobrediabla 1 June 20, 2010 02:24:49 PM

I guess I'm the first one here but: I didn't like it.:( The basic idea was really good (the trap for the Doctor), but the imlementation was ridiculous. Like the Daleks would EVER a)be concerned about the universe collapsing b)ally with other 'stupid' villains.(not even mentioning other things) I don't think River is the Doctor or Jenny, they wouldn't have said - 'I would kiss you / sweetie' etc. But it is possible that she's a Time Lady (although after The Master I would say: it is too soon), maybe that's why she knows his name, and that's why she said at the end of this episode: why did I ever let you go (she isn't necessarily the Doctor's wife, or is she?). I also have to admit that I don't like River's character, but this episode wasn't bad because of her. One question: I didn't get it, but how did River Song become Cleopatra? She can't travel in time - or was it because of this dream-thing? Anyone?

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Posted By Zephos 1 June 20, 2010 02:47:50 PM

@pobrediabla You don't think the Daleks would care if the universe was collapsing? Really? Their own destruction is their greatest fear, of course they'd care and want to prevent it. And once they have succeeded they would no doubt attempt to claim the universe for themselves as the sole beings (which they have tried before... many times). And River didn't "become" Cleopatra. She merely pretended she was so she could stay with the Roman soldiers (occupying Britain at the time) and wait for the Doctor to arrive. And because it's River, she did so in the most flamboyant way possible, by pretending to be the famous (although deceased - not that the soldiers knew) queen of Egypt.

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Posted By DamonD 1 June 20, 2010 03:44:54 PM

It was good, threw an awful lot at the screen. But good first halfs have not generally been the problem with the season finales...I'll wait for next week!

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Posted By pobrediabla 1 June 20, 2010 03:45:10 PM

@Zephos but then what time was it? a.d.5120 or? Yes, you're probably right they would care, I rather wanted to say that not this way. And the way he made that speech on the rock, and somehow the speech itself just pissed me off. And a cyberman's arm? Then the head attacking Amy? pfff. (again, no offense, I really like Matt Smith/Karen Gillan, I blame the screenwriters/director. They showed us this season how great DW can be, then they give us this, as the final.)

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Posted By fowardlook07 1 June 20, 2010 03:57:15 PM

Raiders Of The Lost Ark, Close Encounters Of The Third Kind, Star Wars and John Carpenters The Thing. It seems the Moff just loves giving a nod to two of the most successful men in Hollywood history, Spielberg & Lucas. I was just waiting for Harrison Ford to appear with Karren and Matt during the Pandorica Opens certainly had atmosphere compaired to RTD's Sound Of Drums/Last Of The Time Lord and the horrendous car wreck of a two-parter The End Of Time. Moffat was firing on all Dr Who cylinders here... So far, so good. Let's hope we can have a resolution that we all can be proud of. Enjoyed Matt Smith's superb acting, which just get's better with every passing episode. Can't wait for the conclusion. Big Bang here we come. 9/10

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Headache2112 1 June 20, 2010 04:36:16 PM

A brilliant teaser led to a brilliant episode. Wonderful to see Vincent again, even in his delirious state. A nice pathway through time to get the painting to the Doctor. I did think for a time that we were going to get cheated out of seeing all the enemies though. The Doctor's quick dismissal of them with the challenge for one of them to be the first to take him on, seemed like they were all gone with not actually being seen. (Something that's happened in the past.) Still so many questions though. Congratulations to those who thought perhaps the Pandorica was a trap to get the Doctor inside it. (Who thought that, anyway?) Matt Smith is just completely and utterly fantastic as the Doctor. Karen Gillan is superb - and shockingly beautiful. But, poor Amy. Wonder where all this is leading, or perhaps, trailing from? These next 167 hours (or so) til "The Big Bang" are going to be agonizing! Then too, once it's past - no more DW til "Sarah Jane Adventures" and then Christmas. A terrific episode that speaks to everyone what "Doctor Who" is all about!

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Posted By shelsfc 1 June 20, 2010 06:21:25 PM

fithteenth - I was wondering about that Time Agent thing too, even rewinded it cos I thought I heard the line wrong. I'd love it to have been a reference to Jack, it could have been just a little nod to fans...I do like the idea!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Viridis 1 June 20, 2010 06:54:55 PM

The vortex manipulator had to have come from Jack Harkness or John Hart and only Jack can regrow his hand and it'd be foolish of the creators to force James Marsters to have a CGI cut off wrist or robot hand or something. So I think for the next series of Torchwood Jack will be definitely left stranded on Earth unable to run. Maybe purposely done so to imprison him and force him to give up his knowledge to the humans or act as a reluctant advisor, like the Doctor for UNIT. But those are ideas for a different thread.

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Posted By cordas2 1 June 20, 2010 06:58:13 PM

The best nods to fans don't need to be shouted... I thought the box was linked to the Dr, either he was trapped inside it (later incarnation) or it was a trap to place him in. With hindsight I can see some of the clues that have been lightly sprinkled over the season from his 1st speech in 11th hour where he threatened the prison keeper aliens to his destruction of the vampires after it became apparent they where fleeing annihilation, I must admit that prior to the episode I thought (and have argued) that the Dr was going insane... but it turns out that the rest of the universe is thinking he is insane... Nice twist. As for all the species working together I think its too early to assume thats the case, or maybe just the Daleks et all each have their own plans for what to do as soon as their most dangerous enemy is locked away, I wouldn't be surprised if the next episode doesn't open to shots of a war being fought between the various parties. At the moment fresh ideas of what's going on are constantly popping into my head and my theories are all over the place... loving it :-)

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Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 June 20, 2010 07:14:33 PM

The person most likely to know all about Amy Pond is Prisonor Zero - it was living with her all those years. This must be important. Also, I don't buy that all The Doctors enemies were really at Stone Henge. The place was created based on Amy's thoughts - I am fairly sure its not real. This would explain the exremely unlikely scenario of the Daleks working with anyone and all the others somehow having the ability to travel in time. The Pandorica/Pandora's Box was also based on Amy and so is probably not what it seems. Perhaps it is not so much a trap, but a way of saving The Doctor. The Dream Lord is a real possibility. It could also be something to do with the Weeping Angels - they have power over time. I hope Steven Moffat manages to tie things up without leaving too many big holes. Overall, I am still not convinced by this series: I hated the new Daleks and I did not like how the Weeping Angels were changed - the power of sending people back in time to live out their death was fantastic, so why spoil it. I have not warmed to Matt Smith at all. I started off liking Karen Gillan, but have come to find her very irritating and her acting a bit wooden. It has not been a bad series, but I was expecting so much more from Steven Moffat after the previous episodes he has written - all of which were brilliant.

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Posted By TheTeacher 1 June 20, 2010 07:18:11 PM

I. Liked. This. A. Lot! Such an interesting thing not to know what's coming in the finale, as in all the other series we have known in episode 12 who the nemesis was. So thumbs up so far! Can't wait to see the last bit of this. I have absolutely almost no reasonable clue so far how the story will be wrapped up, apart from the fact that the vortex manipualtor might play a crucial part...

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Posted By thatone 1 June 20, 2010 07:39:33 PM

I'm rubbish at theorising, but I can't help wondering whether 'duck pond' and 'Amy Pond' is more than a coincidence

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Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 20, 2010 08:22:08 PM

anyone else think those scortch marks could have been caused by the 'fake' tardis in the lodger episode? pretty sure that had legs with metal feet that could have done that.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 20, 2010 08:33:31 PM

another thought on the fake tardis, it hid as the top half of the house in the lodger, what if it has something to do with amys house, the dr says it has too many rooms

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Posted By thatone 1 June 20, 2010 08:46:01 PM

good point...there are more rooms than windows on the first floor of Amy's house. Bigger on the inside?

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Posted By dave1159 1 June 20, 2010 10:34:00 PM

it's got to be Killer Space Ducks, the whole Duck Pond thing, `Pond' `River' and the new Daleks do look like big rubber Ducks! I actually loved the episode, clever, witty script, brilliant set up, the first words of creation very Douglas Adams, good twists... I think this series has been good but not as good as S4, but it has had it's moments and this episode was one of them, can't wait for Saturday

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Posted By Blur10 1 June 20, 2010 10:46:28 PM

I have 3 theories: a)River Song could in fact be a future incarnation of The Doctor...b) River Song could in fact be a regenerated form of Donna Noble thanks to the aftereffects of the metacrisis, and c) RIVER SONG COULD BE AMY POND!!! It'd be really cool if it turned out next week Captain Jack found and saved The Doctor from The Pandorica, although it will likely either be Amy or perhaps River from another time...and if RIver turns out to be Amy then... LOL Alternatively its possible, although highly unlikely, that Sarah Jane Smith and the computer Mr. Smith could save The Doctor... And the most off the wall theory that has almost no basis but is worth mentioning for the h*ll of it, what if the HumanTennantDoctor and Rose Tyler find a way to use the interuniversal screwup happening to jump timelines and save the the 11th Doctor? After all, off-screen info has said that the 10th Doctor broke off a piece of The TARDIS and gave it to HumanDoctor to grow his own TARDIS... But River Song being a future regeneration of The Doctor would explain her ability to operate the TARDIS with ease, as would River being a regenerated form of Donna Noble, if the Time Energy resurged and somehow (Miracle) turned her into a full Time Lady with all the issues like her mind being unable to handle it eliminated...

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Posted By MadProphet 1 June 20, 2010 11:05:24 PM

Wow, who knew Cybusmen could be that cool? Some genuine horror going on with the independent body parts having at the Doctor and Amy in Underhenge. It was great to see them get some mileage before the mass monster convention at the end. I get the feeling I'll appreciate this one more with the added context of next week's conclusion, but this was a pretty epic start that left me salivating for the final episode...

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Posted By fithteenth 1 June 20, 2010 11:10:54 PM

oncomingstorm - I thought the scortch marks looked more dalek shaped, it would be great if it is somehow that other tardis though as the end of the lodger episode was a bit lame unless it does have something to do with the bigger story arc - tardis blows up, new tardis growing, I think you might be right!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By mark27b 1 June 20, 2010 11:10:56 PM

If The Doctor spends 2,000 years in The Pandorica does that means he's 2,000 years older than when he wents in so is 2,907 (depending which age you consider correct in the various stories)?

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Posted By Blur10 1 June 20, 2010 11:21:08 PM

ADDENDUM to my earlier comment: that voice in the TARDIS while River was in it sounded an awful lot like Davros...Hmmm...

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Posted By LittleTime 1 June 20, 2010 11:39:09 PM

uhm, why were the Silurians in this episode?

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Posted By cordas2 1 June 20, 2010 11:50:44 PM

@littletime - I was wondering that myself....

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Posted By PTDN 1 June 21, 2010 12:36:24 AM

Is it only me or does van Gogh's painting show the TARDIS colliding with another TARDIS rather than exploding? There seems to be two sets of doors and windows. It might explain how the TARDIS can be destroyed and still survive. I don't know where the second TARDIS comes from, my brain is starting to hurt.

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Posted By willbass86 1 June 21, 2010 06:15:32 AM

Rory was the good wizard!!!

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Posted By willbass86 1 June 21, 2010 08:26:41 AM

@xtrmntr Pretty much all of the antagonists in Who have messsed about with time travel at some point. We know for a fact that the Daleks/Cybermen have. After the fall of Gallifrey, it seems logical to me that other races would be able to time travel unchecked by Time Lord intervention. Sorry to be petty but I really enjoyed the episode.

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Posted By Carbontoe 1 June 21, 2010 08:43:49 AM

I spent the whole episode expecting the climax to be the Pandora opening and the parting shot being one of the previous Doctors trapped inside! Which would have left the final episode of the series being a 'two Doctors' special!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 21, 2010 09:25:18 AM

like some of the previous series, i think maybe some of the episodes were used to explain ideas to be later used in the finale, ie in victory of the daleks and grayson, they convince him that he can really be a person even though he is a machine, which i thought was used with the whole 'fake' rory thing in the pandorica opens. so maybe we need to look at some of the seemingly random things that happened in episodes in this series, ive already mentioned the 'fake' tardis, that seems out of place unless it has a use in the finale. we've obviously had a lot of episodes about perception, a couple of the 'solutions' in the episodes has been 'love' which makes me thinks that something amy does is the solution. im not sure about the dreamlord returning in the finale but it was a good way of introducing the idea of dreams and false reality, so possibly that is being used. also, the solution in that episode was blowing up the tardis! maybe thats another idea being introduced ready for the finale. i need to rewatch the series for some more, but hopefully you get what i mean. another random thought i had, if the fake tardis does has something to do with amys house, (as i mentioned before) could she be the pilot that it has been looking for.. might explain why the tardis wouldnt land there with her inside it

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 21, 2010 09:25:26 AM

like some of the previous series, i think maybe some of the episodes were used to explain ideas to be later used in the finale, ie in victory of the daleks and grayson, they convince him that he can really be a person even though he is a machine, which i thought was used with the whole 'fake' rory thing in the pandorica opens. so maybe we need to look at some of the seemingly random things that happened in episodes in this series, ive already mentioned the 'fake' tardis, that seems out of place unless it has a use in the finale. we've obviously had a lot of episodes about perception, a couple of the 'solutions' in the episodes has been 'love' which makes me thinks that something amy does is the solution. im not sure about the dreamlord returning in the finale but it was a good way of introducing the idea of dreams and false reality, so possibly that is being used. also, the solution in that episode was blowing up the tardis! maybe thats another idea being introduced ready for the finale. i need to rewatch the series for some more, but hopefully you get what i mean. another random thought i had, if the fake tardis does has something to do with amys house, (as i mentioned before) could she be the pilot that it has been looking for.. might explain why the tardis wouldnt land there with her inside it

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By matthewsouthcott 1 June 21, 2010 10:10:15 AM

The voice in the Tardis really sounds like The Black Guardian, it doesn't sound like Davros. Whoever it is they are the big bad I think. I really can't wait it's going to be a very long week

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Robmac 1 June 21, 2010 10:34:43 AM

Somebody suggested that River Song could be Romana...interesting. She has met the Doctor before, can control the Tardis and as the ability to move through time. Check out http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Romana for some more 'spoilers'.

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Posted By gotheek 1 June 21, 2010 10:46:47 AM

check out 24:14 for the first display that looks like the Pandorica faces :) It's Bracewell's Receiver with the Dalek ship in the middle. Then at 24:55 when the spitfires attack :) x

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Posted By voraxe 1 June 21, 2010 10:56:20 AM

I'm wondering if they are still dreaming, feeding off their darkest fears,memories and so fourth. Doctor fearing all his enemies becoming an aliance to finally finish him, a companion being used to get to him, his tardis destroying the whole of reality.. It's just a thought though

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 21, 2010 11:05:11 AM

just realised, as well blowing up the tardis in amys choice, the dr threatens to blow it up in the victory of the daleks, a bit of a theme emerging, although, he threatens to blow it up to save the earth from the daleks, neither he nor the daleks mention that it will end 'everything', maybe its just me being picky

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Robert 1 June 21, 2010 11:07:25 AM

The series has, with the exception of a few, been the best of the new Who. My theory on the bad guy behind the scenes is that it is Scaroth. His "death" was ambiguous. He knows how to manipulate time. He now has special reason to hate the Doctor. The crack in time first appeared in episode one of "City of Death" (cafe scene with Romana and the Doctor). And the voice in the TARDIS sounds suspiciously like a distorted Julian Glover.

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Posted By fennyfenn 1 June 21, 2010 11:54:58 AM

I think the doctor crosses his own timeline. 1st off where is the vortex manipulator? river hasnt got it so mayb the doctor has. So lets say that the doctor has got the vortex manipulator (VM) then he does some DW crazy thing and activates it, he thens goes back along his own timeline to speak to amy and to make her remember something, something that will help him in the future. The only evidence i can back up my theroy is this http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s971z/Doctor_Who_Series_5_Flesh_and_Stone/ 17.20 to 18.30 the doctor leaves with his jacket off very clearly and comes back with his jacket on, next shot he has his jacket off again. Continuity error? i dunno mayb but the dialogue from the no jacket doc to the jacket doc seems a bit empty like if it was the same doctor in that timeline there wouldnt have been a pause and you would have seen him return not just appear

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Posted By fennyfenn 1 June 21, 2010 12:17:16 PM

also adding on my theory the doctor could go back to make amy remember somthing so that the doctor becomes a auton aswell thus meaning a auton is locked up not him

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By jo@mearses.co.uk 1 June 21, 2010 12:20:54 PM

The doctor is just NOT the only person who can fly the TARDIS. What about the Master, or going back, Romana or Turlough. Unless you are hinting that they may all be the doctor too?!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By TheVoice 1 June 21, 2010 12:45:39 PM

Please, Rory. Die and stay dead. You're holding Amy back. Wasn't the idea of falling through the cracks that you 'never existed at all'? That is manifestly not the case. What happens is 'you vanish and people forget you' which isn't the same thing. If Rory had never existed 1) There would be no ring 2) there would be no dress 3) there would be nothing for Amy to remember, making remembering impossible. So what will happen to the universe if it falls through the cracks? Plain old simple destruction, not 'unbeing'. I warmed to this episode near the end, when things got mysterious and cool. The earlier segments of the show seemed too self-indulgent for me. A monster parade? The Doctor shouting down an entire fleet? What? I preferred the traveller to the 'I Am GOD!' version the new series seem intent on offering. As for 'Only the Doctor can fly the TARDIS' - has any character said this who would have the in-universe knowledge to actually know that? Because the TARDIS is just an antique Timelord vessel, I can't see why other people shouldn't be able to fly it. Also, did anyone else think that the Doctor happily distributing Cyberman weaponry to the Romans runs against the whole 'no guns ever' thing he's had going since the series was resurrected? I'm happy he's gone back to letting his allies use guns, but I thought they'd make a big thing of it. Seemingly not.

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Posted By TheVoice 1 June 21, 2010 12:49:32 PM

Forgot to add: if the Doctor is 'the most powerful thing in the universe' (I see no reason why he should be, personally, he IS JUST A TIMELORD) doesn't that rather ruin him as a protagonist? In old Who you had this intelligent alien traveller who foiled villains. Nu Who appears to have set the Doctor up as being the single most powerful thing in existence, which rather lessens his various foes and the challenges he faces.

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Posted By FonceFalooda 1 June 21, 2010 01:24:46 PM

Robert, if this turns out to be Scaroth, I owe you a cookie. How incredible would that be, like "Wrath of Khan", to "Space Seed", this is all Scaroth's second attempt to keep his ship from blowing up on prehistoric Earth, by making sure the Doctor can't interfere?!! That would be HUGE! -------- And that second floor of the "Lodger" DID look like a Jagaroth ship when it de-cloaked! You just might be onto something! :D

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Robert 1 June 21, 2010 01:41:57 PM

Hadn't knocked onto the similarities of the ships. 4 legs vs. 3, but same design concept. The implosion effect was similar too. And TARDIS couldn't materialize in Colchester while it was there. I always thought the Jagaroth ship was the coolest Whoverse ship to date. Consider that Moffat is a big Who and Adams fan.

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Posted By cfarmer 1 June 21, 2010 01:42:00 PM

Nice review overall, but there's no hints at all that River is the Doctor. 1) She states that the Doctor taught her how to fly the Tardis. 2) She always calls him for help on things (The Doctor doesn't call previous incarnations of himself for help, usually all the previous reincarnations have such huge egos they all squabble for attention) 3) She searched him down to warn him, and she didn't want spoilers for herself, if she was the doctor, she wouldn't need to say that, she'd have known about it. Oh, and I agree with TheVoice - it seems like there are no enemies the doctor is truly scared of in the new series, whereas with the old series, he was constantly running into things more powerful than him - giant spiders, Wirrn, guardians, Kronos basically gave him a smack down totally shoving him in his place. And we were happy to see that the Doctor wasn't all powerful.

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Posted By cfarmer 1 June 21, 2010 01:44:20 PM

oh, and about the other "fake tardis" I swear that voice saying 'silence will fall' was the same voice we heard in the fake tardis.

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Posted By Zokko 1 June 21, 2010 02:23:19 PM

When I was 8, I wrote a story in which the Doctor's enemies teamed up to kill him. I threw it away because I knew it would never be used in the show. Well now it has! Thing is, my version was 100% better!

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Posted By HampsteadNick 1 June 21, 2010 05:50:00 PM

The more i think about this whole season seems to have a feel links a general feel for City of Death, so many little things in that story that seem to fit this whole season http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH41OsYrCo0 have a watch and enjoy a classic story maybe it was the moffs fav too hence this season, time will tell. Scaroth shit me up as a kid

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Posted By DigThatFunk 1 June 21, 2010 07:14:57 PM

Okay, so, while a few of you naysayers have genuine complaints, and seem to be coherent in your arguments, the rest of you I'm wondering if you've even been watching this run, that you supposedly don't like. Mainly the couple of commenters that are suggesting the Doctor has been "all-powerful" or some other such nonsense. Did you watch 'Victory of the Daleks'? Because I saw a Doctor so afraid of the Daleks, he was willing to genuinely consider destroying the Earth and his TARDIS to be rid of them. Also, did you watch the end of 'The Pandorica Opens'? I don't think I've ever seen the Doctor so scared, anxious, worried, and in shambles.

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Posted By Keeilley 1 June 21, 2010 07:32:29 PM

A construct from Amy's childhood fads and memories, eh? Anyone see 'Labyrinth'? Methinks it rings a very loud bell. The Goblin world and everything in it was a construct from Sarah's childhood fads and memories... oddly enough, seen set out as books and toys on her dressing table. Deja vu?

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Posted By Gabby 1 June 21, 2010 08:39:58 PM

So has everyone dropped the theory about there being two Doctors - present and future - with different coloured bowties?

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Posted By Robert 1 June 21, 2010 09:15:19 PM

"So has everyone dropped the theory about there being two Doctors - present and future - with different coloured bowties?" Nope. Didn't notice a difference in the bowties. Definitely the same shirt, although the sleeves are rolled up. Verdict on the watchband is still out, it's in deep enough shadow to merely look black. But it's not the same jacket the angels nicked. Compare them in HD. Either they went back later to film that scene and the continuity person screwed up, or it's a later Doctor.

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Posted By reddsharkk 1 June 22, 2010 06:31:02 AM

http://www.matthewsland.com/doctorwho/fun/JAGAROTH.JPG

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Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 22, 2010 12:45:10 PM

just had a thought, what if the title of the lodger was actually a clever reference to the owner of the 'Fake' tardis and not the doctor. He was the real lodger, disguising his ship as the entire second floor of the house. The more i think about it, and as others have mentioned, theres definately something weird about amys house. theres clearly a second staircase, even though from outside there is clearly only two floors. it could just lead to a loft, but i think the lodger episode is a clue. like i said earlier, unless it does contain clues to other things, the episode really stands out as being a bit odd and out of place

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Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 22, 2010 12:58:23 PM

Has anyone thought about why the first episode is called 'The eleventh hour'? what the meaning of this phrase means. It implies that its the last chance for something, that time is almost out, time for one last ditch attempt. near the end of the episode, young amy hears the tardis returning, then wakes up as older amy. so im guessing the doctor (or someone) returns in some final attempt to save things. any thoughts?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 22, 2010 12:58:45 PM

Has anyone thought about why the first episode is called 'The eleventh hour'? what the meaning of this phrase means. It implies that its the last chance for something, that time is almost out, time for one last ditch attempt. near the end of the episode, young amy hears the tardis returning, then wakes up as older amy. so im guessing the doctor (or someone) returns in some final attempt to save things. any thoughts?

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Posted By oncomingstorm 1 June 22, 2010 01:14:18 PM

Origin: This expression comes from the Bible. The 11th hour is the last hour before the ed of the world. In the Bible, the 11th hour was the last hour of sunlight with the 12th hour bringing darkness.

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Posted By Bassthang 1 June 22, 2010 03:29:25 PM

Apologies if this has already been posted (only got 2/3 down the page so far - this is a popular topic!), but I have one gripe: why were the Drconians listed as amongst the Doctor's enemies? I only rmembered them appearing in one Pertwee story, and htne they were portrayed as a civilised, noble aristorcatic race, more bystanders than major players. I don't recall them having any reason to hate the Doctor. Or have I missed a more recent reappearance somehwere? I did enjoy that episode though. Just wished that everything wasn't always so "heavy" these days. The Doctor used to have fun in his adventures, now he agonises over everything, and every minor plot element always seems to get inflated to some tragic or world-shattering outcome. Sometimes I feel the writers put some of the twists in just for the sake of trying to outguess the hard-core fans. Those of us who only dip into the programme and don't have encyclopaedic knowledge of the programme's history can sometimes feel a bit confused. Even as a long-time fan (born in 63!) I'm sure I'm only picking up on a fraction of the references to past episodes.

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Posted By Bassthang 1 June 22, 2010 03:30:48 PM

Sorry for the spelling on that last post, damn k3ybo@rd going all f8!^^% on me. . .

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 12 review: The Pandorica Opens
Posted By Robert 1 June 22, 2010 04:43:12 PM

In the library River commented that the Doctor was "so very young" at the time. If Amelia frees him in 1996, after 1838 years in the Pandorica, he'll be 2745 years old. This is assuming there is no time distortion or statis field in the Pandorica and his previously stated age is correct. It's possible he's lost track himself, considering his non-linear lifestyle.

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Posted By Gabby 1 June 22, 2010 07:12:14 PM

"The Lodger" episode (as someone already said) was an odd episode and I can't imagine there isn't a link to it either in the final episode or into the next series. It just didn't fit in. Also theories about the cracks following Amy are blown apart by that episode because she didn't even get out of the TARDIS, and the crack appeared in the wall of the flat. If this ends with everything having been an imaginary construct of Amy's though, I'm going to be quite disappointed. That's basically ending it with the words "...and it was all a dream!". Moffat is better than that I would hope. We used to get in shit for doing that in prep school essays when I was 8 years old! If it is, then we've invested nearly 13 hours of our time into a series which really ultimately has no bearing or impact on the Whoniverse. I cannot believe that would be the case here. It would all rather reek of Life on Mars USA if it did go in that direction, and we know how well that went down! Lead balloon anyone?!

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Posted By cheechwiz 1 June 23, 2010 12:48:39 PM

hmmmmm.

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Posted By bexter 1 June 23, 2010 01:41:06 PM

First off, yes, I love this season, Matt is an awesome Doctor. Episode 12 left my head spinning. Anyhow. I've suddenly had an idea. Maybe Amy is still a little girl. Everything going on in Amy's life has been a lot like a little girl's wish fulfillment. She's off on adventures with her raggedy Doctor, she's a grown up, she's going to get married to her best childhood friend, there's no parents around to tell her what to do, her job is to play dress-up. Something happened between the times the Doctor visited young Amy, but it might not have been that large a passage of time. Somebody noticed that the Doctor came to this little girl and had to hurry up and pounce before he came back. He did something to Amy and is still in her head, following along, keeping up the illusion. Even if I'm way off, I still say it all comes back to Amy. I forget which episode, but back when Amy was kissing the Doctor, he said something along the lines of "it's you, everything comes back to you." And the next episode it's back to adventuring without addressing this statement. The Doctor knows something is up with Amy, and he either hasn't figured it out completely or he's just waiting to see where it leads him.

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Posted By gakirin 1 June 23, 2010 08:02:48 PM

Someone with more time than me, please go look at previous episodes use of the color red? It might just be a wardrobe thing that the color suits Amy or it might be a motif.

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Posted By redgamma@gmail.com 1 June 24, 2010 02:32:49 AM

Brilliant episode. To be honest, I think we are going to see the mysterious 'second doctor' who appears in Flesh and Stone. I also think the point of the Pandorica is to destroy the Doctor, and not allow him to regenerate. Maybe we see all the stars exploding because the second he is put in, escape is impossible and all the stars he's ever saved instantly are destroyed.

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Posted By doctorwho1982 1 June 24, 2010 04:11:43 AM

what the hell r u guys talking about? the ending makes no sense? Why would all his enemies go to so much trouble with thier incredibly elaborate trap just to IMPRISON him if they can just shoot the bugger dead and be done with it. If he is the big threat to the universe they think he is, why dont the daleks just exterminate the hell out of him while they got him defenceless and helpless? Doesn't make sense and smacks of bad writing. If moffat doesn't have a reasonable explanation for this, I'm afraid i'm gonna have to say that Stephen Fry was absolutely right. This is a kids show which has been dumbed down for 9 yr olds. Hence the tellytubby daleks. Prove me wrong moffat. There better be a satisfactory twist to explain this ridiculously contrived sceanario

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Posted By doctorwho1982 1 June 24, 2010 04:15:03 AM

what the hell r u guys talking about? the ending makes no sense? Why would all his enemies go to so much trouble with thier incredibly elaborate trap just to IMPRISON him if they can just shoot the bugger dead and be done with it. If he is the big threat to the universe they think he is, why dont the daleks just exterminate the hell out of him while they got him defenceless and helpless? Doesn't make sense and smacks of bad writing. If moffat doesn't have a reasonable explanation for this, I'm afraid i'm gonna have to say that Stephen Fry was absolutely right. This is a kids show which has been dumbed down for 9 yr olds. Hence the tellytubby daleks. Prove me wrong moffat. There better be a satisfactory twist to explain this ridiculously contrived sceanario

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Posted By doctorwho1982 1 June 24, 2010 04:26:35 AM

I'm hoping its davids meta crisis dr behind the whole crack in time thing and he has to face off against matt smiths DR. Would also tie in with the good man river must kill. Maybe meta crisis DR marries Rose in the alternate universe and she is murdered by one of his enemies driving him insane with rage. He was already much darker than the real DR in that he chose to genocide the daleks in journeys end, so maybe he goes a little mad and destroys every enemy he ever faced, not caring if it tears down the universe in the process. Not evil, just very vengeful and merciless unlike the real DR. Now he is trying to erase all of the DRs enemies from all realities, all universes and it has them all shitting thier pants. A compassionate merciful Dr is dangerous to his enemies, imagine a DR without these weaknesses. Anyways, I think that would be an awesome storyline ansd would explain why his enemies dont just shoot matt smiths DR dead instead of goin to all that trouble of building him a fancy prison. Maybe its a ship to keep him safe from the big bang and they r recruiting him to stop the real DR=MC dr (tenant) behind the cracks. That may be the DR they r actually referring to as the one who is ending the universe.

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Posted By Gabby 1 June 24, 2010 08:05:21 PM

My 11 yr old stepson is loving the new Doctor, and that was a hard sell after David Tennant I can tell you, since that was what really got him into the show. I don't think bringing Tennant in as the metacrisis version is a good idea. I'd rather they just leave the 10th Doctor for now. I'd be pretty ticked if I was Matt Smith and I was having to play second fiddle to Tennant in the season finale of my first season as the Doctor. Not gonna happen.

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Posted By kez69 1 June 24, 2010 09:08:38 PM

I am not going to try to second guess what is going on but all I will say is 'WOW' Absolutely brilliant! Best cliffhanger(Part1) I've ever seen. I really hope the finale delivers. I was gobsmacked by the special effects! Puts a lot of American sci-fi shows to shame. Matt Smith is the dogs...I think he's the best Dr ever and Moffat is the 'master' Well done BBC for one of the best shows on telly!

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Posted By johndoob 1 July 1, 2010 12:55:41 PM

Loved it.This is the standard expected of this series.However I cannot get on with Matt Smith as the Dr.He seems to be out classed by the support network of Amy Pond and even Rory at the end.I cannot see him having much of a future here.I would have loved to have seen someone in the calibre of Tennant at the end.
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