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Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale

James Hunt


How did the last episode of Lost measure up? Here's James with his spoiler-filled review...

Published on May 24, 2010


SPOILERS AHEAD

I had this big joke planned to open my review of the Lost finale. I came up with it weeks ago. I was going to open with Homer's line from the classic Simpsons episode, The Joy of Sect, where after watching a Movementarian brainwashing video, he remarks: "Wait, I'm confused about the movie. So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?". The joke being, of course, that just like Homer, the film had been so confusing that I'd just made my own one up in my head.

As it turned out, the end of Lost wasn't confusing. Far from it. It was almost disappointingly straightforward, and in fact, the only big revelation was - as expected - the nature of the sideways universe. But I'll get to that in a minute.

The thing the episode really turned on - Cuse and Lindelof's final message to their creation - was contained in Christian's speech to Jack. What matters is the time you spend with these people. The enjoyment you got from watching Lost. That it has to end doesn't change that. A philosophy for life, and a plea for moderation from anyone who might accuse them of ending with a cop-out.

And make no mistake, there will be people with that opinion.

Was it horrible? No. It largely did what it needed to, reminding us that the series was never about the whys and wherefores, but about the group of people we were following. But was it as great an ending it could, or should have been? Again, no.

In part, this was because a lot of the on-island plot falls apart under examination. As if the writers knew the beats that had to exist, but not how to get between them. Despite knowing absolutely nothing about the island, Jack and Desmond were unusually happy to do what Smokey told them, content that their faith would outdo his apparent understanding of the situation. Smokey, for his part, was happy to let them. Rose and Bernard's surprise involvement seemed to be purely motivated by a wish for them to show up one last time, rather than any reasonable logic.

Similarly, it's not clear, for example, what Smokey would have done if Desmond had actually been killed as he planned earlier on, nor indeed, how sinking the island was supposed to help him escape. I could care less about things like who built the statue, or where the DHARMA Initiative came from, or even what the numbers were - but Smokey's actual plan should have been driving the on-island story, and instead we didn't get the half of it.

Worryingly, too, for a series built on its shocks, there was a lot about the episode that was very easy to predict. Lapidus wasn't quite as dead as they wanted us to believe. Ben hadn't actually switched sides. Juliet was Jack's ex-wife in the sideways-verse. None of this should have been a surprise to anyone watching - but there should have been things that were, and really, there weren't. It all moved swiftly along, from beat to beat. For a minute, I thought Jack was going to be the new Smoke Monster, but even that didn't happen. We were denied any of Lost's signature twists, and we were denied any secret, speculative ending. Indeed, the only truly surprising thing about the episode, for me, is that Sawyer actually managed to dodge the bullet and survive.

Still, anyone who went into the finale expecting to find big pieces of the Lost puzzle being slotted into place was, of course, going to be disappointed - the previous episodes had already served that purpose, ending with the universally derided (and, I would argue, criminally misunderstood) Across the Sea. The remainder of the series was merely supposed to tie up the individual character arcs.

And to an extent, it did. Ben got his reward. Smokey got his just deserts. Kate and Sawyer got their second chances. Even those that died found peace, we are assured, in the sideways-verse - which wasn't actually a sideways-verse at all, but some kind of purgatory...

This, I was worried about. Lost has always flirted with religious imagery, though never quite so blatantly as the finale did. It seems the series took a leaf out of the Evangelion/Battlestar Galactica book: if all else fails, go for the divine metaphor. As great as it was to see all the characters together, and as much fun as it was watching their "reawakening" in the other universe, the payoff was simply not what it should have been. It seems like religious mythology has fast become the shorthand "important ending" for genre TV. At this point, I'm half-expecting 24 to end with Jack Bauer shooting his way into Hell and kicking the Devil square in the balls.

But again, it's not the revelations that matter, but the characters. And this is where my single big problem with the finale lies. For a lot of the characters, the ending simply wasn't enough of an ending. Desmond's story isn't finished. There's nothing to stop Kate wanting to come back to see if Jack made it. What will happen to Richard? Or Miles? I'm not sure "they die and go to Heaven" is a particularly good answer, and Kate telling Jack she missed him, and Hurley and Ben congratulating one another isn't really enough. More in-joke than payoff.

If we accept that the show isn't about the mysteries, but the people, we need to know that their stories are over. Sawyer looking out of the window as the plane flies off isn't an adequate resolution to his story, for instance. A show as tightly-constructed as Lost shouldn't have left so many dangling threads. It's times like this that you start to really appreciate Joss Whedon's skill in wrapping up a story.

Still, when it comes down to it, there was also a lot to enjoy. Everyone acted their hearts out. The intricate construction of the sideways-verse, all leading to Christian's funeral, was masterfully pulled off. The action set-pieces were great, particularly the final fight between Jack and Smokey and the ultimate fate of Ben and Hurley was an appropriate way to remind us that the island will persist beyond the rivalry of Jacob and Smokey.

Frankly, it could have been much, much worse than it was. At least, unlike some other shows, the ending wasn't so bad that it retroactively tainted the rest of the series. Lost stayed true to its own story right up to the end, and even though it didn't leave us with quite as much to speculate about as I'd hoped, it did give us enough that, finally, we can let those characters go and move on. After all - they already have.

Catch all of our Lost season 6 coverage here.

James Hunt has reviewed 3 seasons of
Lost for Den of Geek and also writes for his own blog, Comics Daily

 

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Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By GoldbergV 1 May 24, 2010 01:41:39 PM

It was too concerned with the nostalgia of having everyone back together and showing the clips of previous episodes. Although the 1st hour or so was very entertaining, it didn't really do anything unexpected and after a whole year of not understanding Smokie's plan, it was just crap to find out that didn't understand it either! I guess you could argue that as Kate killed him from behind without him talking to her then that 'fits' with the rules they'd estabished but even so....meh. Widmore, Walt, the cabin, time flashes, etc, all ignored. And showing the image of the island underwater at the beginning of this season was more than just misdirection, it was a narrative lie to get us to ponder over "what it all means". Well this episode answered that. Turns out the writers have less of an idea than we do. Nice.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By carde 1 May 24, 2010 01:46:58 PM

Warning Spoiler from another show finale follows.... So...a bunch of people who died at different times come together to sort out their past, find redemption and move on to a higher plane....is anyone else feeling deja vu from the Ashes to Ashes final? only with heck of a lot fewer episodes?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By GirlsAreGeeks 1 May 24, 2010 01:52:17 PM

Yeah, that's about how I felt. The sideways stuff did nothing for me. They left many mysteries unanswered, but now I feel like the putting the plug in the drain takes away from the light being special. How come they couldn't leave that a mystery? I wasn't expecting much, and I got what I expected.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By rsol44 1 May 24, 2010 02:01:51 PM

Look to Buddhism for an understanding of the two universes. Island -> original storyline. Sideways -> everyone is rebirthed into it. White light -> Nirvana. Those who achieved complete self-awareness of themselves, the past, present, and future can move onto the next level of existence.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By GuidoB 1 May 24, 2010 02:15:29 PM

"I'm half-expecting 24 to end with Jack Bauer shooting his way into Hell and kicking the Devil square in the balls."......Ahahaha that had me rolling. Purely because after all the ridiculousness Bauer's gone through this idea suddenly doesn't seem half as abstract or unbelievable as it should do.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By bennjerryuk 1 May 24, 2010 02:29:56 PM

I think you missed the point a little here, who's to say Kate didn't come back, she said she missed Jack, meaning that she died long after he did, she may have lived a long life where she went back and forth (Bens 'better way'). Hugo and Ben clearly spent some time as the custodians of the island, as Hurley said he enjoyed Ben being his number 2. Although you are right that the last episode was a kind of school reunion, of which we were all invited to attend after spending the last 10 years with these people. It's not an "important ending" because it's just a show but it was a nice ending. Trying to get into the depths of what the island was and how it worked is just like trying to figure out how a flux compacitor or a dilithium crystal really works, IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK. The parallels with Ashes to Ashes were bizarre given they finished within a week of each other, proving just how bad the ending to Life on Mars USA was too.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By BOYO1989 1 May 24, 2010 02:32:20 PM

"I'm half-expecting 24 to end with Jack Bauer shooting his way into Hell and kicking the Devil square in the balls." I would pay good money to see that :P

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By BOYO1989 1 May 24, 2010 02:32:27 PM

"I'm half-expecting 24 to end with Jack Bauer shooting his way into Hell and kicking the Devil square in the balls." I would pay good money to see that :P

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By dcheater 1 May 24, 2010 02:42:49 PM

I couldn't disagree more that 'it didn't leave us with quite as much to speculate about as I'd hoped'. Surely ALL it left was speculation. And I'd disagree about the characters not having proper resolutions. I think they all did, possibly bar Walt. His exception from the church was a bit odd, but I think he was a character they really let get away.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By TimBisley 1 May 24, 2010 02:54:55 PM

"I could care less about things like who built the statue..." Sorry. How much do you care then? The phrase is "I couldn't care less". That actually means something.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By jameshunt 1 May 24, 2010 03:30:21 PM

@Tim: If you're having trouble with the way language evolves, please consider the difference in meaning between the words "flammable" and "inflammable" then get back to me.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 24, 2010 03:36:20 PM

VERY, VERY disapointed - looks like the writers were just too lazy to tie up all the answers everyone had been looking for. No twists - they borrowed far too much from C S Lewis's "The Last Battle"...but then what did I expect with references to "The Lampost" etc This could have been great, but instead the writers washed over SO many things they had alluded to...and just didn't bother to close off. How people can say this was a great finale is way beyond me. A great opportunity - LOST!

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Jenni 1 May 24, 2010 03:52:09 PM

Please don't mock me for being a bit thick (i am honestly an avid lostie) but could someone please just clarify; was the island actually real? Christian's speech just confused me. I get they're all dead in the sideways verse and ready to move on but he made it seem like they were all dead from the begining, i.e. noone survived the crash? I feel like i'm letting myself down for not understanding! I don't want to feel dissapointed but i really do just a lil bit :( Will miss it greatly though.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By butchchops 1 May 24, 2010 04:31:17 PM

Carde - You can't just say 'Warning Spoiler from another show finale follows...' and then write the SPOILER DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH!!! You absolute idiot hole! What were you thinking??!! You give DOG readers a bad name you amateur!

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By ChrisS 1 May 24, 2010 04:34:18 PM

The episode was awesome. Well acted, well structured. The ending? Well (and I don't think I'm alone here) as a Lost fan I don't know whether I feel ripped off or I enjoyed the simplicity of how it all ended, when everybody expected some mind numbing Lost-esque twist. You see from season 1, everybody has tried to guess what the Island is and how it will end. The most probable theory at the time- They are dead and the island is purgatory. When season one premiered we had interviews with the creators about a 9 season story arc with an ending that would blow us away. So it couldn't be something as simple as a dream or purgatory right? As my housemate went to bed last night I joked, "I would laugh my ass off if Jack woke up and it was all a dream, or it was purgatory!" Yet the twist was that it wasn't the island... it was the flash-sideways. These 'flashes', which were merley a story background tool in Season 1 evolved slowly in importance to take centre stage. All this whilst theorists were looking at the "Main Event", the Island. Which, for all it's magic and myth didn't really evolved at all. And THAT'S clever! So could there have been a better ending? Well hopefully in the months to come the internet will buzz with them. Here's mine- 1. Recreating that famous MIB-Jacob scene, Jack and Flocke sit on a beach together with Flocke making that infamous speech "Do you know how badly I want to kill you.." "One day I will find a loophole.." etc etc. 2. With all the 'love' that was going around in the last episode in the flash sideways, we find out that those unexpalined feelings you get when you fall for someone are due to the fact that on an alternative timeline/universe we've all been stuck on a crazy island with them for years. The Island is love, people. lol. 3. Realising how brilliant the island was (nobody remembered the trauma some of them went when the "truth" was revealed did they?), they all got on a plane named Oceanic 817, with a truck load of mojitos, a frisbee, some sun cream and a solar panelled MP3 player and happily crash back to the Island. Anybody else got any good alternative endings?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By butchchops 1 May 24, 2010 05:04:17 PM

As Damon and Carlton themselves said, if you want definitive answers then you can look to The Architect's speech in Matrix Reloaded. They also wanted to avoid the 'Midi-Chlorians' syndrome where every last ounce of mystery was sucked away.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Deborah 1 May 24, 2010 05:23:05 PM

I think it's brilliant that long after the boxed set is released, people will still be debating what the hell the Island really was. That's the Lost experience in a nutshell. The show itself was always about the people, and the finale did an excellent job where they were concerned.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Vaderwink 1 May 24, 2010 05:32:16 PM

I was strangely ... satisfied. I got back from work and watched the lot (felt a little tense with the 'temporary fault' at the beginning ...) I liked the ending. I have been a Lost fan since the beginning, with a break partway through series 3 (I was a little bored, but picked it back up again). I must admit that I also have a feeling of relief, in a good way. It's over - time to watch it over from the beginning ...

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Tlotoxl 1 May 24, 2010 05:35:27 PM

Having seen the Ashes to Ashes ending and the Lost Finale within a couple of days of each other, they really are at opposites ends of the quality scale, A2A hit every note, made everything clear but at the same time did not have huge info dumps, it had huge twists which the casual viewer would not have guessed but still managed to be true to the characters - Lost had none of these. A2A was 60 minutes and managed to fit far more in than Lost did in 90 odd minutes. Even Hurley/Hugo - by far the nicest character - did not get anything near a decent ending, why did he suddenly go psychic? why could he talk to Jacob? why did he not get a good ending - a job he didn't want?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Vaderwink 1 May 24, 2010 05:35:37 PM

... I also don't understand the 'I could care less' phrase. Surely if you COULD care less, then you must care a little?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By GoldbergV 1 May 24, 2010 05:46:05 PM

The worst thing about this finale was that I used to consider LOST as a mystery/sci-fi show with soap opera trappings, but I guess the writers think of it as the other way around. Write a load of emotional flashback realisation scenes to cover up for the fact that none of the major myteries have any explanation. People blast the BSG ending, but it answered tons more than this even attempted to.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Forkbeard 1 May 24, 2010 06:07:13 PM

It was....nice. Nice to see some characters get the happy ending they deserved, nice to see that Darlton didn't try to wrap it all up neatly with a little bow on top. Having watched it on first viewing this morning, it's growing on me more and more as time goes by. Not a bad way to end the show at all.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By theshadowalker 1 May 24, 2010 06:10:52 PM

BSG. Ashes to Ashes. Lost. I much prefer more subjective endings, like that of the UK's Life on Mars, than this latest plot du juor, which seems to be a painfully literal interpretation of ye ol' "God works in mysterious ways." And, as for caring, or not caring, less? A quick Google search gave me this gem from worldwidewords.org: "So [the phrase 'could care less' is] actually a very interesting linguistic development. But it is still regarded as slangy, and also has some social class stigma attached. And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing, it loses its force when put on paper and just ends up looking stupid."

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By sgs8r 1 May 24, 2010 06:29:24 PM

Largely a six-year waste of time. Should have watched Desperate Housewives instead. How do you think the viewership would have held up if they had told everyone along the way" "Those polar bears? We'll never explain them. Dharma? Your guess is as good as ours. Sonic fence? Seemed cool. Maybe we can make sense of it by the end, but probably not. The island? I dunno, some kind of good-evil thing I guess. Walt? Contract issues, so we're just forgetting about him." Etc. Probably wouldn't have lasted beyond season 2. It's like a giant whodunit where the PI ends up with the girl he meets along the way, but you don't find out whodunit. Or Bond sailing away with the girl at the end, but with the evil-guy-trying-to-take-over-the-world plotline just abandoned unresolved. To say that wrapping the relationship stories up is enough and all the plot details don't matter is ridiculous for a series that is distinguished primarily by the island and its complex mysteries. Without that, it's just another melodrama. Decently acted, but nothing special.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Katie2333 1 May 24, 2010 07:02:15 PM

What a letdown thats all i have got to say. What a waste of six years of my life. Not only was it a lazy answer but doesnt even explain how hurley etc went? Was the island real? Have they been dead since the beginning? Yes it was thrilling till the last few minutes i will admit that but then it just went downhill in the last few minutes. It just made you think is that it?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By gakirin 1 May 24, 2010 07:24:53 PM

They've admitted that they didn't approach the story finale/arc until late in the game. The writers said that was to keep the viewers on their toes, because if they could plot it, viewers could predict it. However, look at how that worked when BSG tried to implement it. Angels? Really? My response to the Lost finale was alright though. It's done. It's over. If you need to, go watch from the beginning, otherwise move on. And for those of us with the capacity to let go, it was satisfying. However, were I a showrunner, I'd be sure to get Mr. Joss Whedon on my set for the finale. The man is terrible at pilots, but he is the master of clever and tight endings. (When his show lasts long enough for him to write them.)

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By DamonD 1 May 24, 2010 08:39:14 PM

Sometimes, anyway...I still think Joss half-fumbled the ball with the Buffy finale (and noticably worked the Angel finale a lot better). James, your comment about religious mythology as shorthand ending for a spate of shows in recent years is quite an interesting one actually, perhaps a future article...?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By pete3206 1 May 24, 2010 08:41:34 PM

Predictable whining as usual. Lost has given 6 years of great entertainment. The finale worked for me and I was moved and entertained. What more can you ask for?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By cordas2 1 May 24, 2010 09:01:01 PM

I suppose this is the lowest common denominator... the fewest number of people are going to be really pissed off. Yeah they touched all the right buttons, and fudged enough answers to end the show, whilst leaving room for a possible reboot/ relaunch in 10 years time. I just wish they had been a bit braver but that would have risked alienating more fans.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Katie2333 1 May 24, 2010 09:17:04 PM

OK on reflection and after watching it again it wasnt as bad as i first thought. Yes there was still so much to be answered and i am still dissapointed with it but i guess it could have been a lot worse. For example did desmond ever get back to penny? Why werent annlucia, michael and walt not there? Did aaron die aswell at some stage because why is he in limbo too with claire? What exactly was the island? I guess though we will just have to use our imagination as now we will never know.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By monte 1 May 25, 2010 12:52:10 AM

help ive been mugged hold on we all have what a pitiful ending . i know some people say there does not have to be a point but there does would you watch football if it was 0 - 0 all the time no . was i ment to be happy that they all ended up in love what rubbish the dogs dream ending would have been better . still cant belive they got away with it .they can stick there new dvd box set and all its extra content dribble up you know where .

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By tickytic18 1 May 25, 2010 01:27:05 AM

I think that some of you are missing the point. Christian said himself that there is no such thing as time, time i what we make it. It's relative. The time they spent on the island was real. Their experiences there were real. The sideways universe was where they were all waiting for each other, to see each other one last time. Christian said that the characters each lived their lives, some longer than others. The flash sideway had nothing to with whether or not the island was real, because it was, and so were their experiences, the flash sideways was just a way to realize there past, reconnect with who they were when they were alive.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By TimBisley 1 May 25, 2010 06:03:49 AM

@Tim; "flammable"/"inflammable" are two different words that mean the same thing. "Could care less" is a phrase that LOGICALLY means nothing.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By cerveloguy 1 May 25, 2010 07:01:40 AM

It seems a shame that all the actors and crew that have worked on this show for 6 seasons allowed the writers to give up and leave us hanging. The idea that we watched for the characters and relationships etc is trite. I am more interested in the statue, who built it, who destroyed it? the numbers, egyptian writing on an Khymer temple etc etc. The detail is more interesting than character chit chit. That can be found on any old soap opera. I hope they have a 'final' cash in and sell the rights for a season 7 or 'prequel' to somebody with the ability to actually complete the threads that made the damn show interesting in the first place! The BSG finale was far better, and they have Caprica, so....

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By TimBisley 1 May 25, 2010 07:03:45 AM

Whoops. My last post should have started @James. Was going to quote but decided against it. Where's the edit button?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By cerveloguy 1 May 25, 2010 07:09:24 AM

They need a stand alone movie like BSG's The Plan. This would allow them to put it all together retroactively and iron out where they made things up as they went along. This could be done on the cheap with Jacob, MIB, the child versions of the lead actors and a few token leads that are availbe etc. Its not like there's any lack of flashbacks that can't be stiched up with in-fill.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By blindfold11 1 May 25, 2010 07:29:21 AM

Well did anyone get what they expected or hoped for? I think it was al relatively tension free. Just kind of ended and wrapped up. Even the Locke fight wasn't very long - and Jack needed Kate to step in and save his ass. After that it was a case of an elongated ending to wrap up proceedings - but not characters. As for the parallel universe/limbo thingy...Hmm.. Still not sure what i think of it. And obviously they got a few people missing from that slow motion reception. It hasn't ruined the series - just needed a bit more of a tense finale - Hell the only person that died was Locke! But! As marge Simpson once said..."it's and ending... and that's enough."

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By geekcentral 1 May 25, 2010 07:37:23 AM

wow! Have you seen so many people post of here before! haha. Yes what was the idland indeed - Why was it so important (Oh thats right because if it dies so does everyone you ever loved...er. Ok. that isn't an answer hahahaha). Yup we'll never know cause the writers probably don't fully know - It's more of an idea than it is something that has a logical explanation to it. I think alot of us have know this about lost for some time now. As for missing people in the church - Well desmond didn't invite Charlotte or Daniel along either - so i'm guessing they were not needed, or like ana lucia - were not ready yet. (A fair enough excuse for actors they can't get in). It makes sense that Sayid and Shannon have a little reunion, but the love of sayid's life was still Nadia no? Felt a bit odd. Rewatching the series will only list a lot of things that you never got answres for - Who built the statue, who was jacob and the MIB's surrogate mother, how did she get there and know so much? and on and on. Well time to move on and watch something else. It was an awesome, if a bit of an odd show.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Morph 1 May 25, 2010 07:47:02 AM

I enjoyed it. Early seasons get you emotionally involved with the characters so in later seasons you were just interested to see what happened to them. It makes perfect sense not to wrap everything up in a nice bow and answer all the questions. I was just happy for those that escaped and got teary eyed over Hurley & Ben. The end shot was predicatable but beautifully done.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By cerveloguy 1 May 25, 2010 08:29:29 AM

The history of the island is the core to Lost (not the characters) and every aspect such as the statue, with 4 toes, shown in full and finally broken, The black dog ship and its history (slave on route to Siam? oh yeah! Siam had slavery - they did'nt need to import them!!), Widmore etc reflects decisions made by the producers. I can't see how other than by deliberate plan that they refuse to explain the make up of the island unless they plan to sell us more by holding back the meat of the show.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By RikkyB 1 May 25, 2010 09:29:51 AM

What a waste of time. It took the usual lazy writers way out; retreat into the metaphysical. This seems a very common issue with the sci/fi & fantasy genre recently. Build up a lot of plot points that they have no idea how to resolve & then say it is 'mystical'. I happened with BSG & the ultimate waste of 2 hours of my life, 'Knowing'. It's not as if a decent rounded ending can't be done, just look at DS9. Seems the Lost writers, like a lot of others, couldn't be bothered.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By CKOne 1 May 25, 2010 10:33:38 AM

The person who compared the A2A ending and this one was so right. Lost traded on lots of fascinting cryptic mysteries and puzzles and good characters trying to get to the bottom of them. All the while the writer's implied all of this meant something. However it was all jettisoned for a big cheesey renion with the guy on piano and f***n Driveshaft playing some corny gig. Oh and Jack insisting it was destiny to stick a giant stone plug in a magic hole (whilst he sends away the only person in the world who won't actually be killed by doing so). Then of course he's joined by Bouncer, sorry Vincent. Was everything from the Numbers to bizarre plots involving international mercenaries, latin-speaking ancient civilizations and that thing where Hurley was in a mental asylum, really all Bouncer's, sorry Vincent's dream? BTW there's a difference between 'wrapping everything up in a neat bow' and just delivering what they promised. I'm sticking with Bolly, Sam & Gene...

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By jameshunt 1 May 25, 2010 10:44:01 AM

@tim language isn't logical, useage defines meaning, etc etc. I used to be like you, but then I realised the people who were "wrong" outnumbered people who were "right"(google the two phrases). History's going to decide the victor of this argument ;-)

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Shilling 1 May 25, 2010 01:01:54 PM

So the entire show, beginning to end, boils down to: "A wizard did it"?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Odoakar 1 May 25, 2010 01:38:13 PM

I was of course disappointed by the finale, mostly because of the huge plot holes, like Flocke telling Saying to kill Desmond, and then later being happy that Desmond is alive, because all that time he actually needed him alive to be able to destroy the island. And that's just the tip of the iceberg called 'We're making it along as we go'

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By CKOne 1 May 25, 2010 05:13:03 PM

Lol Odoaker! It's true, one minute he's heading for the plane to get off the island, the next he wants to hang around and destroy it with the help of the same guy he had just sent Sayid to kill! I so wanted to go with show bu it just wouldn't let me.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By janiac83 1 May 25, 2010 05:47:00 PM

The ending was disappointing for me, but not nearly as disappointing as knowing that there's nothing else on TV at the moment that is as entertaining, mysterious and engaging with such well written characters that you do genuinely care about (bar one or two exceptions, yes I'm talking about you Freckles!). I think with repeat viewings the finale will get better, especially now we all know that we're not getting an answer as to what in the name of Frank Lapidus' sideburns the island was all about! So RIP Lost, we will probably never see your like again, but countless far inferior copycats.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 25, 2010 05:54:34 PM

I WISH they had used the time travel thing to more effect..otherwise what was the point of the last series? I SO wanted Charlie Hume to go back in time and be Charles Widmore and for both he and Eloise to know everything that was going to happen and make sure it played out. I just don't see the point of anything that happened, the hatch, Darma, the end was mediocre at best - the writers really blew it. Sorry, but I want a remake...Lost writers take note, that ending was nothing but watered down purile garbage...and you know it!

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By madforit89 1 May 25, 2010 06:03:46 PM

When Hurley and ben pass comment about being no.1 and no.2. This shows that the paralell existance could be set several years ahead. So the scenes on the island of Jack dieing are several years prior. And im sorry but seeing the plane fly overhead added to this means one thing. Oh shit they've ruined it with several Movies. that end up being convaluted extended episodes. Bit like a simpsons movie!

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By robbiejacks 1 May 25, 2010 07:20:16 PM

Didn't Widmore tell Flocke that the plane was loaded with C4 and it would explode as soon as someone turned the eletric system on?

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By CKOne 1 May 25, 2010 07:38:45 PM

No Flocke took the c4 off the plane and used it to blow up the submarine

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By robbiejacks 1 May 25, 2010 09:32:09 PM

@CKOne No, he took 1 out of the plane, but when he called Widmore, he explained that even if he tried to leave he wouldn't be able to use the plane, 'cos he loaded the thing with explosives. Loaded, to me, means more than 1.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Caliggy 1 May 25, 2010 09:32:38 PM

I really enjoyed the finale until about 20 minutes towards the end. Until that point it was suitably dramatic and seemed like it could shape up to a worthy finale. And Juliet even reappeared, so that was worth a little squee. But then the last 20 minutes made me realize..Lost was never about the island at all. It was never about plot, or intrigue. It was about characters, and nothing they ever did in six years was of the slightest significance. Others have said it - time travel, Walt, Dharma, Others? They were only things to keep us watching, because the writers of Lost knew no other way to keep a show chugging on than to promise answers. Really, we've just been watching a group of people run around a jungle, for no real reason. It could've ended any way. The sideways-verse was the only 'answer', yet that was only a recent question; and it was only there for circumlocution and nostalgia purposes. I could talk in detail about how I thought Ben's story was tied up nicely and harp on the island but there is no point. Because NONE OF IT EVER MATTERED. And that isn't fair. We watched because we thought the scenarios the writers threw at us had some significance and some payout, but there would be none. I really really tried not to be disappointed, but I so thoroughly was. (PS. As someone else has pointed out, the whole 'sunk island' thing...was that just an unfair red herring, making us keep watching? And what did Juliet mean when she said 'It worked' post-death? Because the A-Bomb going off, her sacrifice, certainly meant nothing at all.)

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Caliggy 1 May 25, 2010 09:38:09 PM

More than anything, I'm angry that I bothered to defend Lost against the people who said, 'They're making it up as they go along.' Actually no, more than anything, I want a redo. Can we re-do season 6 again, please? It was going so well before that. Take a bit of time, think about the stuff you actually SET UP before (including the stuff in the SEASON 5 FINALE, LIKE THE FRIGGING BOMB), and do it again. That would be lovely, thanks.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By bytat 1 May 25, 2010 11:33:53 PM

watched the first season, dropped it when they conveniently found the other half of the plane with all those extra characters.. writers clearly making it up as they go along, only interested in giving the audience instant gratification and getting high ratings.. then i accidentally saw an episode from this season and got intrigued by the whole timetravel-aspect.. and now, having watched the final episode i'm back at my initial conclusion.. Lost's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By paul22 1 May 25, 2010 11:57:13 PM

Clearly some people don't understand the actual show!! It wasn't about the island that was just a back drop the way i see it it's about the Life and Death of Jack!!!

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By paul22 1 May 25, 2010 11:57:22 PM

Clearly some people don't understand the actual show!! It wasn't about the island that was just a back drop the way i see it it's about the Life and Death of Jack!!!

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 26, 2010 12:02:35 AM

I loved it. They made it about the characters instead of the plot that was way to big to ever have covered. There are still many questions brought up by this finale that will never be answerd, and it was brilliantly emotional. Anyone who thought Lost was about the mysterys and not about the characters didn't get it, and never would. Lost was about the characters from moment one, when Jack was seen in the jungle. If it were about the myterys they would never have had flashbacks. The flashbacks told us about the Characters, and they have hammered home that fact many, many times. Anyone who feels that the show didn't leave you with any questions in the final episode can go fuck themselves. It didn't need to. It did exactly what it needed to do, which was to give the characters we known and loved for six years the happiness they deserved, even if it only came to them in death. To Caliggy, The bomb in season 5 was incredible, and so damn important, as they travelled to their own timeline, and was perhaps even the cause of the 'sideways/limbo' they found themselves in after death. Also "NONE OF IT EVER MATTERED"? Are you kidding? It was about the journey, not the destination. And the journey was incredible and you know it. Monkey: "I SO wanted Charlie Hume to go back in time and be Charles Widmore" So he could be his own grandad and fuck his own gran to create his mother? YOU ARE AN INSANE PERSON. janiac83: If you found out what the island was all about, wouldn't that ruin the mystery? Micheal Emerson, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof have all said that very same thing and I agree. Odoakar: Flocke realized his plan of getting on the plane wasn't going to work and so he changed his mind. Have you never changed your mind when you know that your original choice was never going to work? cerveloguy: "The history of the island is the core to Lost (not the characters)" You did not get the point. Did Lost open with a shot of the island or the plane crashing on it? No. It started with Jack opening his eye. He then ran about trying to save the Characters that we came to know deeply over six years. It was never about the Island in the main. Morph? I love you. Your opinion is brilliant. geekcentral: "Oh thats right because if [the island] dies so does everyone you ever loved...er. Ok. that isn't an answer hahahaha" This is THE light, the one that is responsible for human life, the island started to die because of it going out, and if that happened, who knows what would have happened?! cerveloguy (again): IT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE CHARACTERS. ALWAYS. For the whole fucking time! The best moments in the show were to do with the characters, not to do with the island or the mysteries, and you know it. Desmond phoning Penny, Charlies death, Jin's apparent death, Sawyer and Kate get it on ETC ETC. Seriously, everyone needs to use their hearts, not their fucking heads here. "But it didn't answer this!" SO WHAT?! I'm pissed there was no answer to the outrigger scene but would I let that colour the fact that Lost was an engaging emotional character based series which finished with one of it's most emotionallt engaging episodes? Never! As they say in Lost: "Let go."

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 26, 2010 12:03:53 AM

Godamnit paul22 you just summed up everything i said there hahaha! Good on ye!

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 26, 2010 12:25:44 AM

Also! This is just great and says it all really: http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/05/someone-from-bad-robots-take-on-finale.html

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Caliggy 1 May 26, 2010 12:29:30 AM

^ to stuxmusic Yeah, you're right. We've now realized Lost was about characters and not plot. The plot was shoehorned in and irrelevant; it would never have any significance. The only important thing was who would end up with whom, and how people would deal with their daddy issues. One Tree Hill but on an island. I'm glad you realized that early on and could enjoy it for what it was, but the sad fact is MOST people thought that the hints of an intriguing plot, and of an evolving storyline, were because the writers were in fact TELLING A STORY. But no. The Smoke Monster, the time travel, even the whole Jacob thing...why even bother with it? If it was JUST about characters (which I now see), why not just focus on Jack boning Kate, Kate getting boned by Sawyer, etc. and not bother with the overarching mythos and the plot threads. Do you see what I'm getting at? If it was only ever MEANT to be about characters and relationships, why, for instance, was the exposition episode 'Across the Sea' even necessary? It didn't feature or develop any of the main characters, so why include it? I'll tell you why..because the writers knew that had duped people into thinking there was a plot and desperately needed to pretend there was one.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By ILUVSIX8 1 May 26, 2010 03:24:01 AM

I really tried for the last 6years but it was lost that tried me!! and "lost" !! A complete waste of time..! B.S.G ending got a very unfair slagging off compared to this rubbish.. Anyone who has seen the recent finale of "Ashes to Ashes " will know what a truly great ending to a truly great series {Lom included} is all about..

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By cerveloguy 1 May 26, 2010 04:21:00 AM

Stuxmusic: We hear you loud and clear, you like the characters. It is perhaps an issue of personal taste and preference then. For me and I am sure many others the details that linked the characters together and formed the weave of the show are what made Lost different from any other run of the mill character based show. The same details that would have been meticulously conceived and delivered to the screen, such as Egyptian text, Latin language, Khmer temple, The Black Dog’s log book at auction.. this list is exhaustively long. It is this detail driven theme that gave Lost its depth. If it was always only about the characters then the producers have been smugly alluding to some greater depth that let’s face was never really there.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By clementine 1 May 26, 2010 07:39:20 AM

I feel let down, i love lost it is the only programme to ever get me so excited, i loved the plot the charactors. The ending just kind of limped offf for me and i wanted more.They just could have made it more exciting, and perhaps open to a spin off i hope i am wrong but i hate to say i told you so about Hurley but kids.... i told you so. I really wish they had been braver with it. The whole purgatory bit was so rubbish i could have cried i wanted them all to meet then be transported back to the island to defeat smokey together or that some mad space time continuem rule made it so the island brought them all back .. like most lost fans i don't know what i want i just wanted something else. I don't even care that we didn't get answers i just wanted to feel something and unfortunately i didn't i feel let down by the writers who played it safe.I was really counting on them pulling it out of the bag. Oh well at least Ben made it.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 26, 2010 07:50:39 AM

OK stuxmusic 1 - take this very simple example so that you understand my point. In Penny's apartment there is a black stone and a white stone, they are they same as the ones found on the corpses that Jack located in Season 1. Why show this? It was alluded that Penny and Desmond would go back to the island, go back in time and die, possibly leaving their son on the island, to be Charlie Widmore. Otherwise, WHY have a complete series dedicated to the concept of TIME TRAVEL I can use several other easy examples such as this. I'm not saying it wasn't about the characters - of course it was, but the journey the characters went through to arrive at their ultimate goal could have been better. To end up all together is taken straight from the Last Battle by C S Lewis. The lost writers make no secret of the fact that they read these books. I'm not bothered about the ending, I'm bothered by the things that were contructed were then bypassed, they were all set up ready to fall into place and then it was washed over. As for being crazy - it's all relative, see Confucious... ;)

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By misterjingo 1 May 26, 2010 09:08:56 AM

It was a 'nice' episode. It played on the emotions we built for the characters over the past 6 series and so bypassed the need for any real narrative. It ignored a lot, it was predictable, but it was 'nice'. I guess bug bears for me regard the writer’s attempts to imply the ‘afterlife’ sideshow was somehow connected to the island. Jack being cut on the island, Jack finding blood on himself in the hospital. Sun running from Locke, cut to Sun screaming ‘it’s him!’ on a stretcher after seeing Locke. This season was full of it, yet the alternative narrative could have been a thousand years in the future (que someone quoting Christians words about it being outside of time blah blah – i.e. cop out). It was all misdirection and smoke and mirrors. I’m sad to see Lost go, but I think it’s for the best as the writers clearly had no idea what to do with the story they’d woven, so it pulled metaphysical woowoo out of the bag, tried to fudge in some story of redemption, and cut loose all hanging threads – relying on sentimentality (bashed down our throats with past cut scenes and twee music) to gaffer tape the heaving cracks. Some people ‘Loved it’, and for the people who can shut their mind to everything but the current narrative regardless of its glaring holes and contradictions, please send all your money to my paypal account. It’s what Jack would have wanted. I look forward to the retrospective fudging of the mythos to build a grotesquely deformed narrative based around the season 6 narrative being stabbed into the eyes of the previous 5 series story arcs.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By CKOne 1 May 26, 2010 10:31:28 AM

stuxmusic, Lost was presented and promoted by the writers as something it wasn't. Yes the acting was great and the characters and their individual stories compelling. But thats simply NOT how Lost was sold to people. it was only HALF of what the show was presented as being, now its been retrospectively painted as being ALL of what the show was about. I was hooked by the characters, but found the thousands of years worth of weird cryptic clues that filled the show as the KEY original & gripping twist that kept me watching all this time. I dont' think I'm alone there. Now its been explained as simply being a better acted Poseidon Adventure or Towering Inferno and that all those detailed mysteries & challenges were no different to the straightforward practical challenges that faced Doug McLure or whoever (and as such, don't require explaination). Mystery was key to the show and not everything needed spelling out in a detailed spreadsheet of answers, but dismissing everything with a vague overall answer is insulting to all the fans. I mean what were Sawyer & Kate et al going to do for the rest of their lives having escaped? Sit around on the porch with a beer asking each other 'what on earth was that all nonsense about freckles?'

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By geekcentral 1 May 26, 2010 11:57:40 AM

I like that the makers of the show were all hyped about listening to the final piece of score written - Which in the end just sounded like the music you'd heard before. It's good, don't get me know - but very very familiar if not identical to material already used. Such a disappointing finale. Where you want mysteries solved or not - it was hardly paying off the many hours that preceeded it in any way that is satisfactory.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By geekcentral 1 May 26, 2010 11:58:28 AM

I like that the makers of the show were all hyped about listening to the final piece of score written - Which in the end just sounded like the music you'd heard before. It's good, don't get me know - but very very familiar if not identical to material already used. Such a disappointing finale. Where you want mysteries solved or not - it was hardly paying off the many hours that preceeded it in any way that is satisfactory.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 26, 2010 12:24:02 PM

Caliggy, if I have mis-guided you in some way I apoligise. But I didn't said it wasn't about Plot. I said it wasn't about the mysteries. Two very different things. The plot is that people crashland on a weird island, and contend with not only odd things, but also, the original inhabitants of the island. It was never about finding out why this was here or why that happened anything else. It was about getting those people home, and on that island it was a very hard task. You say "why, for instance, was the exposition episode 'Across the Sea' even necessary?" and really, you've kind of answered your own question. People wanted answers to some of the overaching mythos, so... you got it. The last episode was always going to be about the characters, no matter what way they did it. cerveloguy: if you take a picture of someone standing in a high street what do you have? You have a character who you know very well in the middle who you know lots of things about. The shops behind him/her may be important, let's call them The Dharma cake shop and the Khmer temple electrical shop. You'd get a look at what these places are, and perhaps the character had been there, but that's it. You won't know the reason why these people opened these shops or why they are important, but they are there and the character you know so well has been there and seen what it is like from the outside looking in. Knowing the other details, in the end, can't be that important, and surely cannot ever be covered in a snapshot of someones life. The creators of Lost chose to cover characters from the beginning, giving them the majority of the screentime. I respect them for it, and the island they were on was a very interesting, very mysterious backdrop. But that's all. If you'd learnt that the island was handed down to the world by god, and that that is where his special people would go, would that make you happy? Probably not, because it's dumb and it's information you don't need to know to enjoy the series. Clementine: not everything needs to be open to a spin off, and I'm glad Lost has exempt itself from it. Monkey: Because someone had a black and a white stone you asumed they were going to go back in time and die? You know what they say about people who assume things, yeah? As for your whole Charlie Hume becoming Charles Widmore theory... again I'll bring it back to the simple thing of Incest. What you had is what every other Lost fan had. A theory. Just because yours was wrong is no good reason to stop enjoying the show, you crazy, insane person. misterjingo: "the alternative narrative could have been a thousand years in the future (que someone quoting Christians words about it being outside of time blah blah – i.e. cop out)" So you didn't get it them? Okay, a few days before sun dies, she is attacked by him. Then, because of his actions, she is killed. The plane scene in LA X is the split point, where everyone began living their afterlives. So she went straight from dying, to there. A week later she sees him and while remembering snippits of her life on the island, she remembers that he is a bad dude. Hell for her it was a week ago he killed her! As for "relying on sentimentality" how about trying to have an emotional connection to any of the characters realizing that they have died. They have just figured out that they're dead, I think their lives are going to flash before their eyes. CKOne: The writers didn't promote the show, ABC did. It was their idea to focus on the wierd stuff and forget about the characters. When channel 4 aired it over here they recored a special advert for it featuring just the characters, and they did it right. As for knowing what the living characters would do with the rest of their lives? Who gives a shit? If you don't care about the characters in the first place, and the mysteries are the big thing for you, surely the mystery of not knowing what happened to those characters should be giving you a massive hard on. Seriously people, if you thought they were going to give you all the answers on a silver platter you are just plain idiotic. If the show is about mystery, why would they change that in the final episode? Leave the mysteries be, the characters you've loved for 6 years are right there in front of you, dying and you're too busy saying "Aye but who built that temple?" If you got the answer "It was egyptians." Would that make you happy? Would you just want the finale to be damon and carlton to sit in a room and answer all those mysteries one by one? I certainly wouldn't and I was so pleased that they put the mysteries to one side and gave us the character driven story they've been delivering since second 1 of the pilot.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By grasshopper 1 May 26, 2010 12:36:13 PM

Stux - amen to that. I've been telling people around me for a long time now that it is about the journey NOT the destination. Destinations can be so disappointing so you should enjoy the ride for that reason alone. For others who feel duped, consider this: The writers may well have screwed up here and there - so it goes. The main thing is the big picture. This was a human drama about life, love, the universe. Mysteries abound in real life and I was never expecting Lost to solve them all for me - it's an entertainment show after all. There are few certain things in life - we are born, we live, we die. The rest is all theories. Theories are put forward by one generation and torn down by the next. I don't give a damn about the show explaining why there was a polar bear on the island. I don't give a damn whether the show attempted to explain any of the mysteries or ideas it placed in the plot - real life doesn't answer most mysteries. To me, if they gave a reason for every question or idea or mystery it would all become a bit errr humdrum and boring. All i can say to the writers and creators is thankyou for the rollicking ride and i'm going to miss all all of the characters I have shared my life with for the past 6 years. Just for fun I will leave with you this not entirely relevant but great quote from the late Bill Hicks.. “The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it’s real, because that’s how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down, and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it’s very brightly colored and it’s very loud. And it’s fun, for a while… Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: ‘Is this real? Or is it just a ride?’ And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and they say: ‘Hey! Don’t worry! Don’t be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride.’ And we kill those people… ‘Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride! Shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry; look at my big bank account and my family. This has to be real!’ It’s just a ride… But we always kill those good guys who try to tell us that. And we let the demons run amok. But it doesn’t matter, because it’s just a ride…. And we can change it any time we want. It’s only a choice. No effort. No worry. No job. No savings and money. Just a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy bigger guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.”

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 26, 2010 12:39:37 PM

Thank you, Grasshopper. I'm glad I didn't Die Alone out here...

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By grasshopper 1 May 26, 2010 12:51:15 PM

lol....maybe i'm just getting old and soft ;-)

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By misterjingo 1 May 26, 2010 01:08:10 PM

@stuxmusic: of course I got it. I'm just saying it was weak and used to misdirect - it was a frequent plot device used throughout season 6 which implied a *direct* bleed-over between realities. It implied more than it was, and then it ended with a very very basic interpretation of shared astral locales (mysticism 101). Hell, if we take the ending for what it appears to be, then it could easily be argued that Jack was in his own personal astral locale and the others were manifestations of his mind. It just lacked something, and was more a goodbye to these characters we have shared time with than any kind of resolution.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 26, 2010 02:27:25 PM

"It implied more than it was" Again, I refer you to the fact that you assumed it would mean something, but it actually meant something entirely different. The dead folk in the sideways were having their real life bleed into their afterline, little drops at a time, easy to understand. Also, you have hit the nail right on the head. The End was "a goodbye to these characters we have shared time with" and that is what it was. There's no point in arguing about what mystery they didn't answer because it was never going to. That is what they always set out to do, and they did it superbly.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 26, 2010 02:52:35 PM

Hi Stux - I'm just using that as a case in point. A lot of things were shown, the stones, the egyptian characters at the end of the Hatch's Darma countdown. Walt and the Birds. All of these alluded to something more - that's why people kept watching...the most basic - the smoke monster. The numerous allusive devices were used by the writers to draw people in, playing on their basic curiosity. A large proportion of the items that were alluded to were not dealt with satisfactorily as felt by many of the people on this page. I don't have a problem with the ending but I for one felt that Jack beating the bad guy and then going off to heaven was completely off kilter when compared with a lot of the intricate build up over the last 6 years. It was out of synch. I'm NOT saying that because my own theories did not play out I did not enjoy the ending. The method of getting to the end was very simplistic and did not match the depth to which many of the plot strings used in the show got to. I just expected better from some obviously smart guys.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By CKOne 1 May 26, 2010 03:39:05 PM

stuxmusic you completely ignored my points. The writers/makers very much did peddle this as being more than just a run-of-the-mill character show. They did this via repeated interviews, statements etc etc (oh and by continuing to write this stuff!). To argue that the show was never a 50/50 split between the characters (who were great) & the cryptic clues/puzzles is beyond niave - that was the basic identity of the show. MOST Lost fans that i know gave up watching the show by about Season 3. I stuck with it and defended it for years on the understanding (via the repeated assurances by the writers/makers) that these clues and mysteries would largely be tied up. But almost none of it was. I didn't necessarily expect it all to be answered in the last show either - thus the whole series for me (and the few people i know who stuck with it) has proved a huge con. Back in 2004 if someone told me the whole thing would all wrap up with them meeting up at a super-tacky Crank Shaft gig in the afterlife. I would NEVER have continued to watch it. The writers blew it and judging by most fans reactions it seems Im not alone in feeling this (bear in mind I loved Lost and really didnt' want to be let down by the show)

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By misterjingo 1 May 26, 2010 03:49:05 PM

@stuxmusic: I can't argue with you regarding making assumptions, but the writers literally pushed the source of such assumptions as core elements of the show. All I can say is that over the past 6 series the internet was not alive with talk about who Kate really loves, and if Hugo will ever be happy. It was alive with talk about the mythos, the smoke monster, the hatch. Same with my friends, conversation was about the mythos (although I'll concede there was much talk about Juliet's breasts too).

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Caliggy 1 May 26, 2010 03:50:33 PM

If 'Lost' was 100% about characterization and the writers did not intend to make us interested in the 'scenery', then why were so MANY characters dropped without completing their own development arcs? Shannon and Boone were not 'complete' characters by any stretch of the imagination; Sayid had no real resolution with his ongoing Nadia storyline, and as this reviewer points out, "Sawyer looking out of his window as the plane flies off is not an adequate resolution of his story." Definitely Jack, Locke, Ben, Claire, Richard and some others had their developmental arcs completed, but with so many left hanging, how can anyone claim 'Lost was JUST about its characters'. People who claim that based on the finale are closing their eyes to the fact that the finale was just lazy writing, with its only emotional value and pay-off provided by the cheap tactic of seeing old characters again, ones which no longer had any immediate bearing to the plot. 'Ooh, Vincent. Ooh, Juliet! Ooh, Shannon. Isn't this a nice ending.' A NICE ending, yes, but not a complete story.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 26, 2010 03:52:38 PM

The simplest way I can put this across to people defending the lack lustre ending is this...Have you ever written a story as a kid or been in a class with a kid who late on Sunday night just didn't have time (or could't be bothered in my case) to finish off the story and put, "then I woke up and it was all a dream" in order to finish it off quickly? They'd get a D- for effort the next again day from their teacher. That's the premise I'm trying to get across. Time was spent concocting the intricate weave of clues, mysteries and how this would effect the characters on their various quests. The writers chose to (not literally) go down the dream route...so they get a D- for effort from me. Stux you say that the ending was superb - I'm happy for you and that it satisfied you as a story, it just didn't do that for me.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By grasshopper 1 May 26, 2010 03:57:37 PM

Hi Monkey, about Jack beating the bad guy specially when they were by the stream reminded me of the scene where Jacob beat the 'bad guy' when they were both kids. You could argue that there is a connection here, don't you think? I think you are right in saying that 'The numerous allusive devices were used by the writers to draw people in, playing on their basic curiosity.' That's a writers or let's be more general an 'artist's' job...to draw you in. In the case of Lost it was to draw you in to this set of human beings who are going through their various personal dramas together. The stones the egyptian characters, Dharma etc all the sorts of thing that form part of our culture, e.g. history, ancient wisdom, covert organisations, mythology, religion, ying and yang, etc etc, they are the backdrop to which we play our lives out and it seems to me that the Lost creators have made them the backdrop of this show too. You just have to look all around on TV these days to find so many shows that are based around the supernatural and other unexplained mysteries. It's a crowd puller and the creators of Lost know this and are using it. Let's take the dharma initiative as an example, let's just say that they were some kind of covert organisation funded by some global illuminati that were looking for the secret to eternal life. Would it matter more whether the show spelled this out for everyone to tie up loose ends, like Dan Brown books seem to do? Whatever 'answer' they came up with would only ever hold good within the context of the show because in real life things like secret societies are never fully explained and remain a mystery. That's why they are a constant source of discussion. To me Lost is simply reflecting back real life to us. It may be frustrating if you want these answers but for me I got my answers...the charcaters I have been following have gone through their various struggles and come through the other side - this seems to me to be basic story telling technique. Anyway this is only my opinion...and maybe that is the key...it's all a metter of personal interpretation and opinion. Hieroglyphics or not, I'm not bothered...I still enjoyed the ride

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 26, 2010 04:48:51 PM

Hi grasshopper - Yep no question of enjoying the ride. I didn't expect to have everything packaged up and like to have something to add my own imagination to, but things like Walt, Time Travel (remember the Polar bear fossils), Ben (and Charles') knowledge of getting off the island felt like they were going some place, further. I would like these parts to have gone some place. Didn't you want to know why Walt was special, why no babies could be born on the island, why the children were kidnapped? I did... The premise of people making connections and meeting up in a gateway to the afterlife is just a premise, it's not a story. What were the stakes if MIB won?..it was explained as something bad, it did nothing to add to the tension of the show and the sense of relief when MIB was stopped. Jacob being good (depicted in white) and MIB in black - it was just all too superficial...and that felt very alien in show with so many carefully coreographed connections. I was expecting MIB to turn out to be good and get off the island or something...some kind of tangent, but it was by the numbers.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Caliggy 1 May 26, 2010 05:36:41 PM

Monkey, agree with your points, but I'll just say that I think the whole 'can't have children on the island' was meant to be have been caused by the Incident (Juliet hitting Jughead to suppress the electromagnetism), and the whole baby-snatching thing was the Others simply researching the phenomenon. Mostly unrelated to the Jacob/MIB war. Personally I think that should've been explored further. Also, I would have liked to know what 'the darkness' and 'the madness' were; perhaps they were also connected to the radiation caused by the Incident? Those questions were really just thrown in there for the sake of intrigue and never resolved.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 26, 2010 05:38:21 PM

Some other things to ponder (just trying to jog people's memories here) - remember when Claire went to see the spiritualist and he advised no account should the baby be brought up by anybody other than Claire - why? There's so many more things come to think of it that were just put to one side. Why was the island shown as being detroyed lying underwater and Juliet said it worked - why do/show this? It just feels like a cheap trick to keep people guessing and then gloss it over with some "nice" music and a bit of nostalgia whilst Nadia gets cast aside (Sayide is as superficial as the writers). Anyway - that's my last comment (promise) - I've enjoyed the connections I've made here with everybody on this site on both sides of the fence, and glad it wasn't just me that felt like I deserved a little more. Thanks for the posts, I really enjoyed reading everyone's comments and differences of opinions...and especially to CKone for the Bouncer reference! :) I think this has been the best DOG thread to date - Cheers to all...

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By sgs8r 1 May 26, 2010 05:56:24 PM

misterjingo, Monkey, et. al., I think we all agree. If we wanted a relationship drama, we'd be watching Grey's Anatomy. They didn't leave some plot elements hanging, they left most of them hanging. Probably wouldn't take too much work to push the list over a hundred. It's almost as if a new set of writers were hired for the last couple of season and they just gave up trying to pull it all together. One can imagine a panicked writers room, everyone strung out on coffee as the deadline approaches, until in desperation, they finally hit on this simplistic ending. An ending basically on the level of a pre-school storybook ("There a cave of light, which is the source of all good. The bad man in black want's to put out the light..."). It will be interesting to see how DVD sales and syndication ratings hold up when everyone knows that most of the intriguing plot elements will never be resolved. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone (that I like). BSG ended with more of a sputter than a bang. But most of the seasons hold up regardless. The major characters, back stories, motivations, etc. all all pretty clear and the episodes and seasons stand largely on their own as independent stories. Lost is in a whole other category.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By grasshopper 1 May 26, 2010 06:00:08 PM

Hi Monkey, I wouldn't disagree with you. I hope I didn't come across in the wrong way either. There do seem to be unanswered questions - my wife and I did discuss Walt and the fact that he seemed very important at the time but that there didn't seem to be a resolution. There were times half way through the the series where we felt confounded and infuriated but then without trying to sound too crass we both iterally 'let go'. The characters and the twists and turns became more important for us. I would say, as well, that we didn't follow all the Lost commentary online because we simply don't have time. This is the first time I have ever really 'engaged' online about it. Maybe we missed stuff about how the show was marketed etc. I wouldn't even say that the end was what i envisgaed or particularly great - I did go through a period thinking that they were all dead based on the fact of another film i saw years ago which i can't remember the name of. It was about a WW2 bomber which crashes in the desert and all the crew are alive and play out the movie until the end where the army come to rescue them except that the recuers are collecting the dead bodies of the crew and as each body is discovered each ghost disappears. i can't even remember if it was a good movie but I certainly remembered it when watching Lost. I suppose all I can say is that all in all I enjoyed the show warts and all.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By janiac83 1 May 26, 2010 06:01:55 PM

Of course a bit of mystery is to be anticipated and indeed expected at the end, to have everything all wrapped up nicely would not be in the spirit of Lost. At the same time I think even the creators forgot about half of the storylines and threads that they introduced throughout. To give everyone an idea of just how much went unanswered, have a look at this: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By misterjingo 1 May 26, 2010 06:24:04 PM

ahah janiac83. That just about says it all. Scarily, that's just a fraction of the forgotten storylines (lets not even talk about the ideas presented by the easter eggs). Ah well.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By grasshopper 1 May 26, 2010 06:28:44 PM

lol...maybe there will be a sequel series called 'Forgotten'...

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By grasshopper 1 May 26, 2010 06:47:18 PM

lol...maybe there will be a sequel series called 'Forgotten'...

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 26, 2010 07:43:56 PM

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291 Wow - that link is actually really good, and a case in point. There's way more stuff in there than I actually remembered, and from misterjingo it sounds like there's even more, I don't know why I'm so annoyed as it is just a TV show, as I wasn't even a die hard fan - I just resent being treated like a child and with all of these threads and there being no effort to go anywhere with them.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By misterjingo 1 May 26, 2010 08:32:01 PM

Just bury your head in sites like this: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Video Which document a lot of the loose ends. I think a lot of the argument that exists between those who loved the ending and those who are disatisfied is due to one side either fogetting or not knowing a lot of the threads woven around the core lost experience. It was an amazingly rich history which was either forgotten or thrown away. It shone a very different light on the island and events than was apparent in season 6.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By southernsam82 1 May 26, 2010 10:41:32 PM

just want to say a couple things....firstly that lost was an amazing show that caught my attention like no other. that being said i would like to say(and i hope some agree) that the first 3 seasons where a different show headed in a different direction then the last 3 seasons. when they announced that end date....something changed. they changed gears and headed into a different direction. the whole mythology of the island i belive limited them in writing as they were not limited before. still great and captivating(with some of the same heart felt scenes) the last 3 seasons where never gonna answer some of those questions that the 1st three seasons presented. Walt, dharma, what was the island. ect. i believe they introduced some things very late in season six(and also season 5t jumping thru time) that diverted from what we as fans were expecting. while asnswering alot with this they also went down a different path than u would have thought. Great show great time watchin it. was a little dissapointed with how straightforward and predictable the last episode was. but still will always love the show. as for the ending in the church. was good but i think we all wanted a bit more difinitive ending on the island. have a lot of things i could fill some in on(seems u forgot some key scenes an info) but ill leave u with this....Ben didnt go into the church because he had regained his "daughter" alex;)

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By charo 1 May 27, 2010 12:12:25 AM

I hated the finale at first, but I like it now. It ended the characters stories in a satisfying way. Sure I would have liked some Walt resolutions, but the kid would be fully grown by now, he was already looking to old in the transition between season 1 and 2. I don't think we've seen the last of the island. I remember an interview with Darlton where they said they don't own the rights to the series and future spin-offs were a real possibility, just they wouldn't be involved. I can't see a commercial network throwing away a cash cow like Lost without exploiting it fully. The characters stories are finished, but there's a lot of stories about the island that could still be done. A new set of candidates maybe? With Hurley and Ben taking over for Jacob and Richard. I'd watch it. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Its like the whole finale was a set up for a future series.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By clementine 1 May 27, 2010 07:39:38 AM

@stux , I didn't actually say i wanted a spin off i hate spin offs i think there crap so why imply that i did. having a spin off of lost would be awful.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By clementine 1 May 27, 2010 07:41:53 AM

i just said it seemed like a possibility.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By grasshopper 1 May 27, 2010 09:47:22 AM

Hi SGS8R, I wouldn't have called Lost a relationship drama I would call it a human drama. Isn't that what stories are about, human beings/people and how they deal with situation? All kinds of stories include people whatever the genre. For instance in the Die Hard series or a Clint Eastwood western the characters play out the 'drama' whatever it is and come out the otherside. So if this means that Bruce Willis blows a load of people up to resolve the challenge or the status quo, if you like, as per action/adventure/thriller genre so be it. The audience have to suspend belief and enjoy the ride and root for the protaganist through the challenges that face him. For me Lost was more than simply a sci/fi genre. It was a melodrama sprinkled with action/adventure/intrigue/murder/mystery....lots of things. And if anybody kept on watching it from the beginning to the end I can't believe they weren't enjoying it most of the time. stories, for me, are about the human beings...otherwise they may as well be documentaries on Discovery channel and such like. Lost has always been a show that appealed to the emotions (Melodrama) from the beginning to the end. Charlie's death for instance the story of John Locke (how many bad things can happen to a guy!!, the agonising story of Richard Alpert! Would you have watched the show if it was billed as a Melodrama about survivors of an air crash. Maybe not. Snuffing the light out or keeping it alive is not the complicated bit. It's the human beings who are complicated and how they deal with the challenge. Yet I assume you watched it for 6 years. There must be a reason that kept you watching other than wanting all questions answered. Let's face it lot's of people gave up a long time ago. I thought about giving up but I evaluated what I liked about the show and stuck with it. I am still not disappointed with the result whether there was lazy writing or not. Maybe I have low standards :-) I have been reading around a bit and there are some people out there who have theories about what may have happened to Walt considering the 'purgatory' theory. There are also a lot of people out there who are really happy with the end of the show, see here for example where you will find some negative but also positive opinions: http://www.tv.com/lost/the-end-2/episode/1335203/summary.html?tag=ep_guide;summary Again, Lost has succeeded in dividing opinions and the debate will rage on... Maybe people will get the DVDs and watch it all over again just to check if they missed anything....lol

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 28, 2010 01:12:01 AM

Okay so, I came back to this and saw that you were all still bickering over the same inane points and to be honest I just felt disapointed that fans of the show just didn't seem to get it at all. So, here are some words from Damon Lindelof way back at the start of season 3 "We can hand you an envelope right now and we could seal it in a safety deposit box and it would say in that envelope: Here's what the island is. Here's why these people came to this island. Here's roughly what the events of the last episode of the show will be. There are certain things that we cannot predict. If we add a new actor to the show like Michael Emerson [Ben] or Ian Cusick [Desmond] we're still telling the same story but we want to get to it in a different way because we'll put it on the backs of the people whom the audience is jelling with. How we got there and which characters would be involved might be a little bit vague, but the actual answers to the mysteries, the nature of the island, what the monster is, the function of the monster, when the Others came here, why the black rock is in the middle of the island, the explanation for the four-toed statue, those things we know the answers to. How we're going to reveal those answers becomes the slippery slope of the show." And now some words from Carlton Cuse "Lost is driving toward an ending and that ending is: Are these people getting off this island? What is the nature of this island? What is going to happen to them? What is their ultimate fate? What is their ultimate destiny? Those questions need to get answered." Now, a final few words to really close this arguement down, again from Cuse, who really knows his stuff here "If we did reveal fundamental answers to the underlying island mythology we really don't think there would be a show left." They were never going to answer all your questions, it's not just a quick get-out clause or cheap way to finish a story, it's what they always intended. My friends, I bid you goodnight. Link: http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/ed-martin-watercooler/94695059.html

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By clementine 1 May 28, 2010 07:35:39 AM

yeah i'll bet you keep checking and checking this for a response to your non sensical argument not gonna get one mate seeya.People that claim to 'get it' very rarely do and are just satisfied with what they are given and never question it those of us with a brain enjoyed the ending but thought it could have been better, very simple i hope that you 'get' what i am saying.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By lostillusions 1 May 28, 2010 08:32:09 AM

Well, the first time I watched the finale I was quite moved and felt satisfied, eventhough a little bit bored by all the flashbacks and many hugs between characters connecting to each other and to their past. On second viewing, I found it too linear and weak. I don't think it ruins the whole Lost experience. I think that a few things have been explained, smokey, jacob, the others speaking latin, etc ... The island has a magic heart. It's a bit like starwars' "the force" (before the midi-chlorian thing that is). I'm glad I don't know how religious or alien or electromgnatic it can be. It's magic. Dharma people were just scientists trying to get something out of the island powers. There is no big conspiration behind it. What the Lost Finale ruins is the sixth season as a whole and part of the recent plot points developped in season 4 and 5. The prugatory thing, the flash-sideways plot, was well done, full of references to each character's issues, but knowing what it was, well it was weak. And long. And, lokking back at it, painfull. It kinda lessens the impact of the H bomb explosion and great season 5 finale. Ruins the "island underwater" thing in LAX 1-2. While I like the Jacob/Smokey thing as presented in episode 15, and even the choice of Jack and then Hurley as Jacob's heirs, I think much of the worldwide plot, smokey being a threat for everyone else if he ever escaped, falls short. His own plans and circonvoluted plots make no sense. The importance of Jacob's candidates in the game is not clear. But it has been the heart of the good vs evil conflict for 16 episodes !! Same for the Ben vs Widmore conflict. Season 4 built it up, season 5 explored it a bit, and season 6 made us think it would wrap it up, especially as far as Widmore's motivations were concerned. It never did. This was not part of the island mystery. It was a character oriented plot (which involved many characters' story arcs) which kept season 4 to 6 moving forward. But then what ? Just try to rewatch season 4 now ! It's a good idea to make you realize that characters are not what you thought they were. But only to a certain extent ! What of Ben's henchmen out of the island ? What of Eloise part in the big picture ? What of Widmore's motivations, or even opinion on ... anything ? Well, he didn't like desmond much, that's all I can say about him ! And what of Desmond ? None of the down-to-earth, mythology-free mysteries created over the last 3 seasons were just left hangin'. Surprisingly, the somke monster, the island powers, and Jacob's motivations are the only questions that finally got answered, vaguely enough not to ruin the whole thing. Season 6, with it's sideways universe's nature and most of its on-island action was a waste of time. It can be argued that the sideways universe brought resolution to characters' story arcs. And it's true. But the cheesy church reunion lessened it's impact in my eyes. At best, the big Finale brings a conclusion to seasons 1-3. Seasons 4 and 5 were great but still wait resolution. All the plots, issues, threats, behind the curtain manipulations created in the last three years were just empty. Illusions, really. I'll rewatch the DVD sometime in the future and with great pleasure. But I'll just ignore most season 6 episodes, and especially it's finale !

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By lostillusions 1 May 28, 2010 08:43:29 AM

I typed : "None of the down-to-earth, mythology-free mysteries created over the last 3 seasons were just left hangin'" But I meant " All of the down-to-earth, mythology-free mysteries created over the last 3 seasons were just left hangin'

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Monkey 1 May 28, 2010 09:14:13 AM

Hi Stux - I saw your response and have to say that I am a little disapointed you felt that people are bickering. That's totally belittling other peoples thoughts and observations. It takes absolutely no literary skill on behalf of the writers to say that they have the answer to the whole show from episode 3 when they are basically going to wrap it up by saying then we all went off to heaven. My point is that items that happened made no sense whatsover - the island blew up (you can't say that's a minor event), Juliet said it worked. That went nowhere, there was no point to it... Many of the plot threads involving Desmond alluded to the fact that you can change events but that the outcome would be the same, just a different course to getting there. The island blewup in the early 80's...it was shown under 10metres of water. "Wow, what's going on? Is this now a parallel reality we're all in whilst fate tries to weave us back to the eventual outcome? What is going to change? Did the bomb always go off?" Then the writers step in, "Nope sorry everyone, we're going to end this now...everyone off to heaven please" Great, job done. How, HOW was that a good ending? That's like Frodo from LOTR deciding to open up a cocktail bar instead of disposing of the ring and when Gandalf turns up to ask him what the hell he was doing he says, "Ah, but I always meant to open a cocktail bar.." You'd be a bit pissed off at reading 800+ pages to be given this...or maybe you'd be quite happy with that, "It was always Tolkien's goal to have Frodo enter the world of alcholic refreshment, you're so stupid for wanting him to drop the ring into the volcano and save his friends, I'm clearly much cleverer than you - how silly of you to have expected that." Sorry, but your defense of the writers is looking extremely weak.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By TimBisley 1 May 28, 2010 09:43:15 AM

@jameshunt - yes, I concede defeat. You aint done nothing wrong.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By lostillusions 1 May 28, 2010 11:58:45 AM

Monkey is absolutely right. In fact, Season 5 has no purpose anymore, except give Sawyer someone (juliet) to reunite with in purgatory. Season 5 was for nothing. So was season 4. Too bad, they are among my favorites. You know, it reminds me of discussion about Lucas' prequel trilogy : "oh my god, it's too cheesy !" "What ? But SW was always meant to be cheesy. You don't understand what the true essence of starwars is!".

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By misterjingo 1 May 28, 2010 12:11:46 PM

"Gandalf turns up to ask him what the hell he was doing he says, "Ah, but I always meant to open a cocktail bar.." " ahahah I Love it.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By Caliggy 1 May 28, 2010 01:26:09 PM

I've had a chance to calm down now and think about the finale, and to be fair it wasn't a complete letdown - at least it was enjoyable, and suitably epic. My main gripe is that it could've been so much better, a conclusive send-off which was consistent with everything that had gone before. It's just a shame that the end of Lost will, justifiably, probably go down in many people's minds as 'rushed' and a bit sloppy. Hopefully it won't make the preceding seasons any less re-watchable...

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 28, 2010 03:48:45 PM

Guys, I'm not saying it was perfect. And I'm definitely not saying it was exactly what I wanted. But I just always knew that people who were expecting an ending that just layed out the answers were going to be disapointed as the show always seemed, to me, to be about the characters. And as for clementine "People that claim to 'get it' very rarely do and are just satisfied with what they are given" Yeah, I was very happy with Exposé, Stranger in a strange land, anything they did with Charlie's character in season 2, Killing off Micheal like he was nothing to the show and the Cage bollocks at the start of season three. There are probably more gripes I have but to be honest, I rather focus on the positive. Lost was a great ride, and while the ending may have been not exactly what I or anyone else was wanting, it was definitely great. As for just accepting things that are given to me, all you need to do is take a look at my review for the most recent stargate universe episode. It's a series I've been enjoying highly, but when they fuck up, I shall call them on it. Just as with Lost, just as with any other show I like. Link: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/485431/stargate_universe_episode_17_review.html

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By stuxmusic 1 May 28, 2010 11:44:25 PM

If it helps, Michael Giacchino, said the following about the season 2 soundtrack: "In the end, LOST isn't necessarily about the polar bears, the hatch, the numbers or even the Others. For me, LOST is about the idea that we as individuals can be better. Whatever happens to you in life, the one thing you always have is the chance to improve upon your flaws." And that's exactly what it did.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By janiac83 1 May 29, 2010 02:41:36 PM

Just read Charlie Brooker's take on the Lost finale in today's Guardian, wondering if James Hunt is aware that Brooker has seemingly pinched his zinger about Jack Bauer? See the final paragraph: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/may/29/charlie-brooker-screen-burn-lost-24

EXTENDED DVD FINALE (30m+) TO WRAP UP MORE ANSWERS
Posted By QuattroFormaggi 1 May 30, 2010 04:55:42 PM

Just seen this link..................................................... http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s10/lost/news/a220730/lost-dvd-to-include-extended-finale.html ....................................................................................... Which should hopefully give more answers on DVD as to the stuff we want to know. Maybe. Who really knows.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By pritchasp 1 May 31, 2010 02:34:37 AM

Can't believe Charlie Brooker has taken to stealing jokes, it seems very unlikely that he came up with the exact same line.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By clementine 1 June 2, 2010 10:06:26 AM

i don't want everything explained ... i just wanted a better ending than happy happy joy joy heaven and a light up cave Lost has to be my all time favourite programe ever i love it i mean i am obsessive and i built myself up to be slightly disappointed and i was still disappointed. i'M GONNA TAKE THE ADVICE OF SOME PEOPLE ABOVE WAIT FOR THE BOX set and watch it again wait and see if i dislike it any less.Even more than a week later i feel a bit sick with the let down of it all.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By bonaroo1 1 June 7, 2010 08:53:21 AM

For me the finale appeared to be the perfect opportunity for the writers to sweep the entire Lost mythology into a room, close the door and hang an 'Open To Interpretation' sign on the handle. So many unanswered questions which have left fans scrambling to answer, (supply drops, the Hurley bird, the numbers, the dudes Sayid wastes on the gold course to name but a few).The writers have a responsibility to provide at least a satisfactory explanation for major plot points otherwise the series crumbles. For me I read into this as Cuse and Lendelof's jail break. Two writers who seemed to have painted themselves into a corner for so long are now finally free of the shackles they had created, have washed their hands of the series and much like their key characters moved on with their lives. I'm quite confident this is not the end of Lost and why would it be. A billion dollar cash cow owned by Disney who recently let slip that they see no reason why further entertainment under the Lost moniker cannot continue. Who knows, depending who is at the helm it might turn out to be more satisfying for all of us.

Re: Lost season 6 episode 17 review: the Lost finale
Posted By mace_in_midst@yahoo.com 1 September 6, 2011 11:03:45 AM

Hey guys! I just watched the season finale, and being a LOST fan since season 1, oddly I was satisfied with the ending. Let's all move on, shall we. Well I don't think i can move on yet, I'm missing LOST terribly. I have enjoyed the journey since Season 1. Thank you to the creators who brought the best series on TV.
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