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10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about

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Yeah, I get all that, but still, it’s boring as sin

We asked our writers to pick out the film that they don't warm to that everyone else seems to. Here's what they came up with...

Published on Mar 3, 2010

We suspect most of you have had a film moment like some of those we're about to discuss. It's when you come out of a widely-praised movie, and simply sit there trying to fathom what all the fuss is about. We asked our writers to pick the film that falls into that category for them. And as you're about to find out, there were some surprising choices...

Moon (2009)
Luke Savage

I know I'm in the minority here. Everyone loves it, there's the Sam Rockwell-deserves-an-Oscar-nomination campaign that gives it even more street cred, and Duncan Jones has just picked up a BAFTA for outstanding debut by a UK filmmaker. 

And it's not like I hate it. It just didn't excite me, which is what I like my sci-fi to do. It will have done that for others (hence all the hullabaloo), but for me the most striking British sci-fi debut of the last year was in the criminally overlooked Exam. I saw it the same month as Moon, and while Exam relied on none-too-subtle debts to Cube and Saw (amongst others), it was carried off with a confidence, and studded with hints of a ravaged future, that thrilled me much more than Moon.

There's no doubting Jones did an impressive job on a small budget, even if those miniatures looked a bit too miniature at times. But it felt like a short film stretched out to feature length without enough to keep me interested, and a flat final third after that big reveal.

It did, however, have the best table tennis match scene I've seen for ages and a nice Rockwell beard. Those were the highlights for me.    

The Hangover (2009)
Julian Whitley

Perhaps not the most obvious of choices when it comes to the subject of overrated films, but cast your mind back to last year, and it would seem that The Hangover was pretty much ubiquitous. A surprise box office hit, The Hangover, was equally lauded with critical acclaim and innumerable awards, including the Golden Globe for Best Comedy. However, it’s practically unfathomable to see why.

The Hangover – the tale of a group of smug, vain lads-on-tour types in Vegas on a stag night gone wrong – trots out every Sin City cliché imaginable. From a shotgun wedding to a tabletop dancer, to the inevitable gambling sequence, virtually every second of this hackneyed mess is completely derivative.

It doesn't help that the plot is pretty much non-existent. OK, so the film is framed by the whole ‘groom-goes-missing-the-day-before-his-wedding’ shtick. However, for the most part, The Hangover consists of a serious of trite, unconnected vignettes, distasteful stereotypes, barely concealed misogyny and staggeringly shoehorned celebrity cameos, all mashed together in a failed attempt to create at least some semblance of narrative cohesion.

Offensive both thematically and cinematically, this is a hangover that can never be cured.

V For Vendetta (2005)
Ron Hogan

Every so often, a movie comes along that's perfectly constructed, well-acted, and downright timeless in its execution. V For Vendetta is not one of these movies. Well, actually, half of it is fairly good, and then the other half is bloated, stupid, cluttered with bad CGI, and as pompous as the fat guy V murders in the shower. The only reason I can think of that people were so enamored with this movie when it came out was because A) this was before everyone realized that the Wachowski siblings were actually awful writers and B) George W. Bush was President of the United States.

If there's ever been a movie that has benefited so much from a particular period in history and a particular mindset, I can't think of one. That's got to be the only reason people rate this movie so highly. The dialog is inane at best, clunky and artificial at worst. The political philosophy is about as smart as The Matrix's take on Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation, and just as clumsy. The action scenes are blurry, the special effects are terrible, and, of course, it's a horribly gutless liberal-lite adaptation of Moore's original anarchist comic.

The English Patient (1996)
Carley Tauchert

There is an episode of Seinfeld where Elaine finds herself almost on the fringes of society because he admits to not liking the film The English Patient and, although I wouldn’t go as far as to say it was the worst film I have ever seen, it does fall into the overrated bucket.

Heaped with awards left right and centre it became the movie to see in 1996, but after watching it I just couldn’t see what all the fuss was about. The film itself felt overly long, with a plot that doesn’t know if it wants to be a mystery or a romance, and the relationships between the main characters were more muted than passionate, which lead to me losing interest very quickly.

The cast is solid enough, but Ralph Fiennes actually started to annoy me by the end of the movie with his lack of attachment to the piece and being almost robotic-like in his responses. I can in many ways see where they were going with this movie, but it just does not live up to its obvious predecessor, Casablanca. The one redeeming feature it does have, however, is stunningly beautiful cinematography, but even that can’t hold your interest forever.

I’m with Elaine on this one!

There Will Be Blood (2007)
Gaye Birch

"I... drink... your... milkshake! I drink it up!" I'll give this film this, and this only: Daniel Day-Lewis is one of few actors who could say those lines and have them become a new classic, iconic catchphrase quotation of our age. The fact that it's insane milky dribble doesn't seem to make a bit of difference.

This Academy Award-winning film left me with nothing more than confirmation that Mr Day-Lewis is a very talented man, as he's shown in everything I've seen him in. But the film left me unimpressed.

The introduction of a false long lost brother midway through seemed a crowbarred afterthought attempt to stir the movie when it was stagnating and the Daniel Plainview character was hard to care about with his rambling speeches and bizarre behaviour that was treated as normal by almost everyone around him.

I laughed at the ending, not the intended emotion, I'm sure. And the fact that no one felt it necessary to even attempt to age Paul Dano's Eli Sunday with makeup or a wig showed me the film didn't give a damn about its audience.

There was a storm of online acclaim for the film on forums, most of which praised it in flowery terms about its character-driven narrative and exquisite (yeah, it was very good shots of plains) cinematography. Yet, these same people sought help from fellow gushing admirers about whether Paul and Eli Sunday were, in fact,  twins or if one was delusional with multiple personality disorder, and they debated ad nauseum what the "I'm finished" line signified, among other curiosities.

To my mind, if those kinds of questions are rampant, you haven't done your job of telling the story.

The Mist (2007)
Glen Chapman

Now, it's hardly like I'm shooting one of cinemas sacred cows here, but I understand that this is a film that a lot of people hold in high regard. The film received a five star review here and in Simon's top ten Stephen King adaptations many of the good readers of this site left comments regarding the omission of The Mist from the list. I'm not saying that people are wrong to like this film, far from it, just that I don't get the love for it.

There were a couple of things I liked about the movie: the death of a certain character (I don't think I've ever been so happy to see someone die in a film!) and the finale, which was quite brilliant and took me by surprise. Aside from that, though, I really didn't enjoy the film at all.

The lack of any particularly likeable characters is often a major hurdle for me and here a combination of poor performances and the ridiculous ways in which the characters acted made it difficult to care if they became beast fodder. Once the beasts were revealed, in all their shoddy CGI glory, any feelings of tension that I felt early in the film disappeared quickly.

I understand that the budget was cut in order to keep the ending, which goes some way to explain the shoddy effects. There are, of course, elements of social commentary in the film that, personally, I didn't think worked very well at all. Clearly, it's too highbrow for me.

(Richard Curtis Trilogy) Four Weddings, Notting Hill and Love Actually (1994 - 2003)
Robert McLaughlin

I like Richard Curtis, I really do. He has produced some of the best written sitcoms this country has ever seen. And his witty upper middle class banter, clumsy mumblings and awkward characters are written to always raise a smile when Rowan Atkinson, Dawn French or Roger Lloyd-Pack delivers them to a round of canned laughter on a Sunday evening. However, I just cannot see the appeal of that same humour on a big screen and, as such, cannot see the appeal of Curtis’ ‘Notting Hill’ trilogy.

When it came out, Four Weddings seemed cool, fun, witty and of its time, but blimey, has it dated badly. To be fair, I can see the appeal somewhat of the first movie and admit I enjoyed it when it came out and laughed a few times, and even with the aged haircuts and foppish-ness overload there is still some fun to be had. However, I feel that it should have been left alone as a one off, not as the first of a trilogy of films of diminishing returns, both laugh-wise and originality.

I don’t even mind that the films give a romantic notion of London or that they are strewn with Curtis-isms (daft characters, dotty aunts, and mad uncles and such) but it seems that Notting Hill and Love Actually are, in fact, two films made up with the bits left over on his hard drive when he was writing Four Weddings.

The characters are archetypical, carbon cut-outs of everything we saw before and, while it was funny once, after the third time having to endure free-spirited dithering toffs miscommunicating and fumbling around, the act got very tiresome.

My wife loves all three, but really I cannot see the appeal. Especially Love Actually, which is the most sanctimonious sugar-coated piece of candyfloss fluff ever to hit our screens. Even the great Alan Rickman cannot save us from nearly two hours of self satisfying smugness and teeth grindingly vile vomit inducing sets of romantic escapades and shenanigans.

And the least said about Rhys Ifans gurning his way through Notting Hill, the better.

Star Wars (1977)
Karl Hodge

The film I’ve chosen not only begat six of the worst science fiction movies of all time, but became a blueprint for every awful science fiction film that followed. Including Avatar.

I am, of course, talking about Star Wars. I would rather sit down to a steaming bowl of decaying rat’s knackers than watch that fleck of asinine putrescence ever again.

There is nothing redeeming about it. Not Harrison Ford’s glib turn as Han Solo or Carrie Fisher’s wooden reading of Leia. Not R2D2 or Alec Guinness slumming it drunkenly in Tunisia. These are the best things about Star Wars, and they are still heinous.

There are many terrible elements I might catalogue in Star Wars: the turgid, comic book narrative, the cloth-eared dialogue, the pedestrian plotting, the black and white treatment of good and evil, the random and sketchy plundering of eastern philosophies, the crap aliens, the plank-like acting, the fact that it takes itself so bloody seriously, the lack of all sense, the overall plain stupidity of it, the charisma
vacuum that is Luke Skywalker…

But the very worst thing about Star Wars is how much this movie is loved by men of a certain age. Their first transformative memory of filmic narrative is not Ben Braddock’s seduction at the hands of Mrs Robinson, or a schoolyard slowly filling with crazed birds. It’s not a pram trundling down the Odessa Steps. It is, instead, a 91 centimetre model of an Imperial Star Destroyer rumbling over their heads.

Frozen like Han Solo in Empire, this image remains immutable, sacred, the 12 year old boy inside them forever locked in shock and awe. And there’s no arguing with them. Star Wars is their Citizen Kane. It has come to define the brainless expectations of at least two subsequent generations, happy now to chow down on one two-hour chunk of hollow spectacle after another.

Star Wars isn’t just an overrated film, it’s the film that destroyed cinema.

The Matrix (1999)
Simon Brew

Crikey, I'm not going to come out of this well. I write this not as flame-bait, not to try and make a name for myself, nor to deliberately swim against the crowd. It's just I was, well, bored stiff by The Matrix. I was pumped up for it, too: opening night, slap-bang in the middle of the cinema, desperately wanted to be impressed. And while I certainly was impressed by the ideas, the style and the action, I found the film - and I can't believe I'm saying this myself - really quite dull.

I figured I must have been having a bad bay. So when the DVD came out, I had it day of release, ready to admit I'd got it wrong first time. But I felt the same way. Heck, I've gone through the film again in high definition since, but I'm really struggling to find much to enjoy. It feels like a film that I'm supposed to like - especially when writing for this site - rather than one that I actually do.

It's hard to pinpont why it didn't work for me, as the subject matter is slap-bang in my field of interest. Perhaps it was the fact that it worked more as a technical showcase for me than as an action movie. Maybe it didn't help that it kick-started changes in the action genre that I don't think have served it well at all. Perhaps it was everyone taking it all so damn seriously. I really wish I could tell you. But when the credits rolled on The Matrix for the third time of watching, I simply had to conclude that I'd been watching the science fiction equivalent of The Emperor's New Clothes. I can understand and appreciate why others like it, and I have no quarrel with that at all. But it's a film that to this day leaves me completely cold.

Mulholland Drive (2001)
Rupert de Paula

There was only ever one choice for this feature, David Lynch’s Mulholland Drive.  But then I’ve never been the hugest David Lynch fan, preferring his earlier, more accessible, films like The Elephant Man and Wild At Heart.  I also harbour a rather embarrassing guilty pleasure love for Dune, but that’s another feature.

For many, not only is Mulholland Drive Lynch’s masterpiece but one of the very best films of the Noughties – beautiful, subversive, erotic and unsettling. An immersive experience that perfectly captures Lynch’s obsession with dream logic, the centrepiece of his psychedelic oeuvre.

Yeah, I get all that, but still, it’s boring as sin. I watched it once and thought, ‘Well that was rubbish. Absolute tosh from front to back.’ A lot of people have the same feelings towards Kubrick’s 2001 – conversely, a film I adore.

A re-watch of Mulholland Drive has nestled somewhere near the middle of my To Do list for years, just above finally watching Ran all the way through. But until that day, which still seems as elusive as ever, Mulholland Drive will always be my biggest ‘meh’ movie.

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Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By clementine 1 March 4, 2010 08:33:51 AM

I agree with Matrix i wanted to like it but it's .. there is just something about it i don't it's all a bit too cool for school and as for two and three anything that spawned them deserves to be deleted.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By dob3001 1 March 4, 2010 08:43:28 AM

Not trying to flame-bait !!! Yeah right!!! We all have films that are popular that we don't like, this sounds more like your picking films that either you don't understand, or that didn't live up to your idea of what it was going to be.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By daevouk 1 March 4, 2010 08:50:39 AM

Moon - an SF film for people who don't like SF.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By denofgeek_simon 1 March 4, 2010 09:06:16 AM

It's genuinely not flame-baiting. Personally, I gave The Matrix three runs, and it's the kind of film that I'd ordinarily like. But it just left me cold - as the commenter above hints, it's hard to put my finger on exactly why, and I've really struggled to come up with something tangible. I appreciate that writing on a site like this that I';m not a fan of The Matrix may be seen as just trying to stir things up, but our hope with this piece was that it'd kick start a debate about films that do split us from time to time. We've all got at least one :-)

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By TheTeacher 1 March 4, 2010 09:12:49 AM

Agree with The Hangover, The English Patient and to some degree with V for Vendetta, but just because I like the original so much, otherwise that film was okayish. I guess my absolute no. 1 of over-appreciated films would be Shindler's List (From the point of view of a history teacher it's just utter nonsense, c.f. e.g. the red cape scene).

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By denofgeek_simon 1 March 4, 2010 09:15:49 AM

Kind of agree with you on Schindler's List - there are some marvellous moments in it, but it's way too long, and the red cape scene seemed horribly out of place. But it's the kind of film you're not allowed to criticise given the subject matter. I'd give it three or four stars, personally.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By col@yavin.co.uk 1 March 4, 2010 09:18:44 AM

Donnie Darko was always the most over-rated film...!

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By viridis 1 March 4, 2010 09:39:57 AM

I was reading this, nodding along to some stuff, Moon, yeah, I think it was brilliant acting from Sam Rockwell, but in the end not 'exciting' exciting (lack of spaceship battles for one). I liked the Hangover, but your description of the movie fits perfectly. Mulholland Drive sucks for the second twist ending (WTF?). English Patient is too long. So is Schindler's List. I've only seen like the beginning and the last hour. That's it. I fell asleep in the middle. The Mist was good, but not exciting. V for Vendetta has Stephen Fry and the fake torture that were fantastic, the rest is just meh. Then I read on and see STAR WARS??? I stopped reading. Star Wars is like the Bible for me. And then you list the Matrix? I'm sorry, but it's like you stabbed me in the gut right there. And Notting Hill is just timeless. The ending just gets me every time. Awww

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By cordas2 1 March 4, 2010 09:40:25 AM

Batman, Dark Knight - Sorry but it was boring, there are whole parts of the movie that only exist so that cgi/stunt sequences can be shoe horned into the movie. I did enjoy whatdoyoucallhim's Joker, but I didn't think it was any better than Jack Nicholson's and certainly wasn't worthy of all the praise it got because Heath died. I ain't saying it was a bad movie, it wasn't it just wasn't a notably great movie and it certainly didn't deserve the hype it got in my book. I would also like to question the praise heaped on Terminator 4 - WHY? It was utter garbage it even had bloody transformers in it for some bizarre reason. Which leads me onto the Transformer movies, I really don't get how a movie that's only redeeming feature is Megan Fox's arse (nice as it is)... which is only on screen for what a couple of minutes per movie? To finish with I would like to draw out one of the biggest *MEH* movies of the last decade, a true cupernol cinematic experience..... The new Trek movie... It did exactly what it said on the tin, it was a pure old fashioned formulaic trek, nothing exciting, nothing new, nothing that made any sense culminating in a boringly two part predictable 'battle'.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By docemmetttbrown 1 March 4, 2010 09:47:12 AM

Not too offended by any of these (though I've not seen Moon yet). Especially Love Actually, that film makes me sick. Mine would have to be 2001 though, that film is like pulling teeth for me.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Name1ess 1 March 4, 2010 10:03:04 AM

Yeah right!?! This is not flame bait in exactly the same way that jumping off a tall building without a parachute is not dangerous! While you’re at it, why don't you chuck in LotRs, 2001, Blade Runner and the Terminator and Alien franchises and annoy everybody!

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By DonWilco 1 March 4, 2010 10:08:22 AM

Shoot me now but Shawshank is a little overrated. No1 on IMDb? Fully agree with Star Wars. I Can't agree with Donnie Darko comment though.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By moakle 1 March 4, 2010 10:18:13 AM

Don't see how this is flame-baiting at all. Just writers saying that they didn't get excited by films everyone else seems to love. Obviously that's going to include some stonewall favourites of many. Have to say, Rob's call on Curtis is spot on. Love Actually is the worst of the three but they're all tosh.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By moakle 1 March 4, 2010 10:18:53 AM

Mind you, the Star Wars critique was a bit over the top

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Nocturne 1 March 4, 2010 10:35:50 AM

I'm with Simon, the Matrix is a huge pile of overrated fan wank that only survived on its special effects, while name checking as much revered stuff for it to sound more intelligent than it really was.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By OwenDavey 1 March 4, 2010 10:40:39 AM

Fair enough. Just want to say that Mulholland Drive had the most significant turn around of any film I've seen. First saw it when, admittedly, being about 15, I was too young, but genuinely thought it was the worst film I'd ever seen. Me and my friends used to bring it up whenever the conversation sagged just to give us a good laugh. But then, admittedly after tackling more than just Dune from the Lynch archive, I re-watched it about four years later and realised it really was a masterpiece. Don't know why. Just seems to be a film driven purely by intuition.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By TheTeacher 1 March 4, 2010 10:54:04 AM

Nobody has mentioned The Crying Game so far. Interesting.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By GoldbergV 1 March 4, 2010 10:58:30 AM

I have to agree with Moon, saw it recently and I don't see what all the fuss is about either. The review is spot-on, it DOES feel like a short stretched out to 90mins. Great acting, decent effects, but for a film supposedly about 'big ideas' I've found more depth in an episode of Dollhouse. Otherwise, Children of Men gets my vote, other than the 2 steadicam scenes, the rest is just boring. I think people just forgive it for the novelty of having a decent budget sci-fi film set in contemporary Britain.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By MadProphet 1 March 4, 2010 11:08:30 AM

Wow, that's quite a damning look at Star Wars- I'd actually agree to some extent... On the other hand, while I don't hate The Matrix, I do begrudge it the fact that it's a rip-off of The Deadly Assassin. Still, reparations were made when RTD did the Smith Masters all over in End of Time.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Dr_Gonzo 1 March 4, 2010 11:22:59 AM

Public Enemies is one for me i really wanted to like and and it sounded so appealing. But it was awful, i was bored beyond belief. The original Wicker Man was another (not seen the update and never will), this is without doubt the worst film i have ever seen. It's a folk musical! I very rarely turn off films if i've started watching them but had to with both of these.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Scott 1 March 4, 2010 12:54:21 PM

Errrr..............as far as I know there wasn't a big fuss over V for Vendetta (the movie)

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By geekygirlUK 1 March 4, 2010 12:57:15 PM

Agree with The English Patient, the Notting Hill Trilogy, and Mulholland Drive. But as an action/adventure fan, I loved the Matrix and V for Vendetta. The stories probably could have been done better, but V for Vendetta touched a nerve in me, and the Matrix really did blow me away the first time I watched it. The Matrix loses impact with each rewatching though, and the sequels were rubbish. So I'll give you that one. I have no opinion on Star Wars. :oO

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Strakerswig 1 March 4, 2010 01:51:26 PM

Don't be embarrassed about your love of Lynch's Dune, Rupert - you're not alone. Perhaps we could have a list of films that were critically mauled by almost everyone, but years later became guilty pleasures. As for Star Wars (New Hope) bashing, its always been fashionable - even Queen got a dig in for the song Bicycle Race. The reason men of a certain age hold it in such esteem is because they remember how far ahead it was compared to most of what passed for family entertainment at the cinema in the seventies. Yes, I'm talking about you Digby the Biggest Dog in the World.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Lucas 1 March 4, 2010 02:01:56 PM

Mullholland Drive and Star Wars are two cinematic masterpieces. For the rest i can agree, i really don't think there was much fuss about V thought.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Lucas 1 March 4, 2010 02:06:52 PM

But the biggest wonder about praising a movie for me will always and forever go to fucking JUNO.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By ERG1008 1 March 4, 2010 02:07:48 PM

Agree with V for Vendetta, the Mist & the Matrix. The Richard Curtis stuff is for people who want to be like Sex & the City. (i.e shallow, self-centred, one dimensional arses) I'll add Heat as mine, just don't see the attraction & it's just an average thriller. AP & RDN have "that" scene but they're much, much better in earlier films.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By micah.byrd 1 March 4, 2010 02:26:06 PM

I have a terrible fear of spiders, so The Mist resonated with me because the raccoon sized eight legged beasts in that movie really weirded me out. I agree with a couple of choices on the list but Star Wars? Really? The Hangover? Seriously? I am curious why or how someone could possibly feel at home on a geek site and not like these films lol. The English Patient sucked, There Will Be Blood was just too much, Mulholland Drive blows, and those pithy romantic comedies were so banal I waned to have a lobotomy before the credits rolled. My question is where is when is a list like this for television going to come out? I for one vote for The Sopranos... for what it's worth.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Vaderwink 1 March 4, 2010 03:23:06 PM

How did Star Wars destroy cinema? It came out 33 years ago: cinema is still going, many classic (SF and non SF) films have come out since then. A lot of people said this in the seventies, but not sure that is still the case. True, it's influenced a lot of fairly terrible films, but a general statement saying it 'destroyed cinema' is a little too much. Anyway, my choice would be Starship Troopers - I really don't like this flick ...

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 March 4, 2010 03:29:21 PM

You are not, I repeat NOT allowed to judge a film by it's sequels. The first Star Wars and the first Matrix are perfect. That they're in the same list as English Patient and Notting Hill sickens me. Yes, most of the sequels suck, and now I hate all three writer/directors, but only a fool lets someone's later failures taint their earlier masterpieces. Nice flame-bait, because that's what this HAS to be, and I suppose you got me good.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Geordie2004 1 March 4, 2010 03:30:00 PM

I agree about Moon, but the rest of this article is pretty much heresy in my opinion. :D

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By cthulhu 1 March 4, 2010 03:33:56 PM

your probably on crack or near nervous breakdown. StarWars and the matrix... both of them are great. Both of them bring new idea to the genre.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By geekmom 1 March 4, 2010 03:40:24 PM

Thanks for a great list -- We all have these moments and it's nice to find that we're not alone. Even the movies on this list that I love, I still (often) agree with the critiques. And even if I don't agree, I can understand the writer's view. I fully agree with The English Patient -- I actually liked the film for the most part, but then the beautiful cinematography faded (badly) to WHITE before the credits and completely snapped me out of the film's world, and all I could think was, "Wow, what a cheating little hussy!" and all sympathy was gone. I think if that end fade had been better I might have stayed dazzled long enough to get over it. And Four Weddings is ruined by the extremely annoying Andie McDowell. There's a list idea: actors/actresses who you don't see the fuss over.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By nicko71 1 March 4, 2010 04:23:36 PM

Have to agree with Donnie Darko. I was sort of enjoying it, and intrigued by the time travelling aspects. I was waiting for a clever ending, that would make sense of everything that happened, when the film just ended. Massively disappointing.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By essjayar 1 March 4, 2010 04:25:14 PM

Actually, I agree with Strakerswig: I'm more likely to like something I'm not supposed to rather than the other way around. Perhaps I'm not critical enough - but I usually find *something* I like in most movies, unless they're the obviously crap ones. That's why sites such as Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes are so cool. IMDB's ratings are tosh - everyone I think knows that - but the rating "scrapers" tend to give a better overview. So sorry, but I'm struggling to think of anything that everyones loved that I didn't. I could pick an easy target like Avatar - but then, it seems, it's not universally loved anyway. Perhaps Terminator 2 then...

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By sdeal 1 March 4, 2010 04:28:23 PM

I've always looked on Star wars as Space "Öpera".The themes are, of necessity, black and white. I enjoyed it when it first came out and still do. It's a flavour. Alien was another. Not the same but brilliantly executed.Both films were ground breaking in there time and brought us to were we are today. Diversity is what makes films (and other media) interesting. R. Heinlein did'nt write S.R.Delaney or P.K.Dick. I read them all and more and flourish in their different styles. Just an observation...

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Lachesis 1 March 4, 2010 04:38:02 PM

I'm amazed people didn't like Star Wars, Matrix, V for Vendetta...I love these movies so its odd to see any anyone should dislike them, but meh do I really care??...most of the other yeah I see where you're coming from even if I dont entirely agree...personally I really dont Like any Martin Scorcese movies (except Cape Fear)....but just because someone doesnt like a movie doesnt mean its bad, its not ringing the right bells for them etc so I guess its time to smile faintly say 'thats clark nice' and move on.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By cordas2 1 March 4, 2010 05:15:29 PM

Can I suggest the title of the next of these articles... 'Films that actually lived up to their hype.'

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By jonesr9 1 March 4, 2010 05:32:58 PM

Can't stand Star Wars... And V For Vendetta was boring as hell. The Curtis films are all awful (especially when you consider he wrote Blackadder for chrissake!) Probably the biggest one for me is Shawshank Redemption though. Jeez, did that go on!

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Tlotoxl 1 March 4, 2010 06:02:44 PM

The Empire Stikes Back. just why is this so highly rated? the Hoth battle SFX looked poor even when it was first released and the whole Jedi training sequence is terminally boring - it seems to be judged by *that* revelation which I think is pretty rubbish and contrived anyway.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Tlotoxl 1 March 4, 2010 06:02:51 PM

The Empire Stikes Back. just why is this so highly rated? the Hoth battle SFX looked poor even when it was first released and the whole Jedi training sequence is terminally boring - it seems to be judged by *that* revelation which I think is pretty rubbish and contrived anyway.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By DavidFullam 1 March 4, 2010 06:03:56 PM

Certainly agree with The Matrix. I think The Mist is merely okay, the much hyped ending seeming to me like an inverse of the Five Came Back ending. Fully understand the Star Wars critique, even though I dearly love the original trilogy warts and all. But it pretty much invented the bombastic FX genre and the Summer Event Film, two genres whose intellectual quotient went down as the budgets went up (Or did the audience IQ shrink?). V is good for one thing, Hugo Weaving. Covered in a mask for 2 hours and he still acts circles around the wax mask/fixed expression that Portman and her varying accents (I mean is he Vee, or Vay? With her you can't tell). I would like to add Chariots of Fire to the list. The only motion picture I have never had the ability to sit through start to finish.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Tlotoxl 1 March 4, 2010 06:34:57 PM

I have only every fell asleep during 1 film: the original Star Trek.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Codgin 1 March 4, 2010 06:54:37 PM

OMG the Mist was awesome and what an ending! How could you not get the fuss, old fashioned horror at its best!

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Kapp 1 March 4, 2010 07:31:38 PM

OK sir, you really had to go there bashing Star Wars... as much as you may hate the original Star Wars, it'll never be as un-cool as..... Dr Who.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By gakirin 1 March 4, 2010 08:35:33 PM

If you think that Star Wars is bad, go watch ANY and I mean it ANY science fiction that came out at the time. For a genre that, in Vonnegut's words, was frequently mistaken by critics for a toilet, this was a breakout. Honestly, most of the movies reported on by this site wouldn't have been made if not for Star Wars' success. You say it destroyed cinema. Maybe you should stop being such a dramatic film snob and admit you didn't like it because, despite working on this site, you don't like space operas. I bet you hate Firefly too.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By benheck 1 March 4, 2010 08:51:14 PM

Matrix is on this list but TRON isn't? TRON is crap. It's The Matrix but done completely wrong. Upon finally seeing it, age 30 or so, I wondered what the hell legions of geeks were smoking. Also yeah, Hangover is funny until they actually get to Vegas, then... it isn't. A dentist gets drunk and pulls out his own tooth? Please.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By cordas2 1 March 4, 2010 09:08:50 PM

Starwars may be hammy and cheesy, but that doesn't stop it being a great movie. As for the criticism of the opening sequence, sorry but it blows away any scifi movie before or since.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By jonesr9 1 March 4, 2010 09:31:43 PM

Why is it that just because you read stuff on Den of Geek, you must automatically LOVE Star Wars? Having a different opinion (geeky or otherwise) about a film that a lot of people adore doesn't make you unworthy of this website. Get a grip.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By alsofrainham 1 March 4, 2010 09:52:40 PM

Finally, another geek that doesn't love Star Wars! I'm really meant to love it and have been avoiding admitting that I really don't think it's all that awesome to all my more geeky friends. All I really liked was the Anakin's romance plot :-S

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Interference 1 March 4, 2010 10:40:27 PM

twat. that is all.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By TheRahman 1 March 5, 2010 12:20:42 AM

Oh please. What is it with Den of Geek, every now and again doing sh*t like this, just to be truculent. Just shut the fck up. You are a bunch of hypocrites.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By stuxmusic 1 March 5, 2010 01:47:14 AM

daevouk "Moon - an SF film for people who don't like SF." I like SciFi, Loved this film... viridis "Moon, yeah, I think it was brilliant acting from Sam Rockwell, but in the end not 'exciting' exciting (lack of spaceship battles for one)" You really didn't get that film then? Since when are space battles the most important thing to happen in sci fi?... GoldbergV "(moon) for a film supposedly about 'big ideas' I've found more depth in an episode of Dollhouse. Otherwise, Children of Men gets my vote, other than the 2 steadicam scenes, the rest is just boring." Wrong and wrong. Moon is incredibly well played out, and dollhouse has lots going on in it too. Children Of Men is an incredible film you crazy person. Jesus, I can't even be fucked reading the rest, you absolute nutters.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Drbendyspoogun 1 March 5, 2010 02:23:40 AM

A nice exercise in getting more comments. Please don't let writing go this way. Why don't you talk about themes or technical aspects not just inflammatory subjectivity. Pretty please......do an article that doesn't try to garner attention through assailing sacred cows but actually tries to critique film. go on you can do it.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By viridis 1 March 5, 2010 07:50:19 AM

@stuxmusic I loved Moon. I can enjoy a great psychological movie like that, except the child in me does prefer a big explosion or to. I love Mulholland Drive, yet I just pretend the entire little people segment does not exist. Then it's a way better movie. @Tlotoxl Empire Strikes Back is a gem of moviemaking and sci fi, fixing all the mistakes A New Hope made in screenplay and pacing and acting. Just the set design of the Cryofreezing chamber and its lighting, Darth Vader standing at the end waiting, that's just brilliant. Not to mention the real emotional impact it has, and a terrific soundtrack. And more. Children of Men is awesome.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By nikodante 1 March 5, 2010 08:08:43 AM

For me it's Hurt Locker. The movie is so bland, the lead character so Hollywood faux edgy, the plot is virtually non-existent (guy defuses a series of dangerous bombs with a sub-plot of winning over a couple of guys who didn't like him at the start). I do not understand where all the accolades are coming from. The movie is mediocre at best. Top Gun (without chicks and jets).

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By mugwump 1 March 5, 2010 11:03:39 AM

Wow, all this mud-slinging in the comments over human beings just stating that they don't really like a particular film. You guys need to chill.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Icedre20 1 March 5, 2010 01:19:03 PM

Sorry but the Hangover is the funniest film I have seen since Superbad.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By lorq 1 March 5, 2010 02:43:19 PM

Completely agree about "The Matrix." The film was actually quite poorly written and acted, overly talky, and, most damningly, the whole story premise just collapses like a house of cards when you start asking *any* reasonable questions about it. Ten minutes into the film I was like, "Well, this doesn't make any sense," and it just kept on making less and less sense as time passed. (Also, the baseline idea -- whole bunch of brains in vats, thinking they're in reality -- has been around for, oh, 60 years at least. SF readers who have been around the block generally know this, so it's galling to hear the film touted for its originality in this regard by unschooled fanboys. That's not the film's fault -- but we *are* talking here about making unwarranted fusses.) In other news, while I think "Star Wars" is a truly wonderful, magical film, I feel "The Empire Strikes Back" is more than a little overrated. Don't get me wrong: as sequels go, it's a slam-dunk. But the whole notion that it's "better than the original" has always struck me as not only false, but obviously so. In *certain* ways it's more polished than the original, but there's fundamentally nothing good about "Empire" that isn't simply a reiteration of what was already good about "Star Wars" -- and it's not nearly as witty a film as the first. I could go into detail on this, but I'm hogging the mic.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By rickyrick 1 March 5, 2010 04:03:41 PM

I can see The Matrix, I liked the premise of the first one but didn't even bother to watch halfway through the second. I can see both sides to Star Wars, the originals had rather solid acting, for the most part, but lacked anything extraordinarily exciting until the end fight between Luke and Vader. The new ones were exciting but had the worst actor ever in Hayden Christensen. I think if you could splice the two series you would have an epic. In the end Lucas screwed his own story up. I'm not sure the series will stand the test of time, now that I am no longer a kid. I totally agree with the rest of your assertions, though even with their flaws I love The Mist and There Will Be Blood. I'm not sure it is overrated, but Queen of the damned is one of the worst movies I can think of, mainly because of Stuart Townsend, but there are a host of problems with it. Movies I thought had an excellent premise and failed to deliver are Event Horizon and Pandorum. One last thing, let's let the post-apocalyptic world thing die down a bit before we make another one. There are far too many to keep up with these days.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By lairobell 1 March 5, 2010 05:40:18 PM

For me it has to be "Ferris Buellers Day Off"... utter pish!

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By capt_1ntens0 1 March 5, 2010 06:15:05 PM

Atonement- an epic romance built on a 2min quickie and er that's it. Load of sh*t! Also pretty much any Kubrick but especially the hideously boring 2001 and the really disappointing shining. I'd watch star wars and mist any day over that cold slow emotionally disconnected tripe. Oh and I'm a massive geek but hugh grant in curtis's films is hilarious and fck anyone who says otherwise

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Sarah_Jayne 1 March 5, 2010 08:43:11 PM

I am glad somebody else agrees with me V For Vendetta. We saw it on a giant Imax screen on a holiday in Chicago. Nobody there apart from us appeared to know who Guy Fawkes was and I wondered if that was why they enjoyed it. Me, I just kept waiting for the Matrix glitch.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By rickyrick 1 March 6, 2010 04:51:44 PM

I can see 2001, but even that has a great premise. It is meant to be disconnected, mainly because the men in it are the machines and the only human-like reaction is from the machine, HAL. His worst movie is A Clockwork Orange, though I would even take that over most of the directors today. Barry Lyndon is the best movie ever made in terms of pure cinematography. Then again, just my opinion.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By MarvMarble 1 March 8, 2010 03:30:57 AM

"I would also like to question the praise heaped on Terminator 4" The thing is, from what I've seen a lot of reviews for Terminator Salvation have been mixed. So even if one regards it as a bad film, it's hardly overrated generally speaking. That's the point in this list, not bad films. Overrated films. (I actually rather liked it, but I thought it could have been better.) And the points made about Star Wars... yeah it's not perfect but the amount of bile in that review was way over the top in my opinion. It is a bit cheesy but I think it's a good film with better sequels (Empire at least).

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By syrdax 1 March 8, 2010 10:01:22 AM

I usually come to sites like this because lately I have the chance to buy DVDs and I do like to watch movies. Most movies I bought are suggested by people in the comments or the reviews. But some movies, to me where "meh"... Of course I don't like to comment "agains" a movie that I see so much "good" stuff about because, you know, most people seems to feel insulted by writing a negative note. I have to say that I don't have anything against the movie, I just dind't see the "so special" about some movies. So, for me, I have to agree with just about every movie mentioned here. Moon, well, I really got bored, and I knew what was going to happen all along. There will be blood, another... pointless? movie for me. Only thing I have to remark is Daniel's performing. Last week I went to watch The Hurt Locker. What's so special about the movie? I really can't see the "Oscar" in it. Good semi-action flick, but nothing more. At least for me.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By galaga51 1 March 8, 2010 09:16:28 PM

I enjoyed The Hangover and couldn't stop laughing, and normally those type films don't do it for me. I agree with a few others, especially The English Patient - Fargo was absolutely robbed of the Oscar that year. While I disagree about SW-ANH, (and I even agree on certain points) it was a fun space adventure, not a grand piece of art. But me trying to argue your personal feelings toward the film is a bit pointless. I can imagine some fan boy trying to explain why Attack of the Clones was awesome despite me explaining why Yoda's fight scene killed the tragic tone of the (ironically) tragically bad film. -- My only actual issue with this article is regarding Mulholland Dr. "I’ve never been the hugest David Lynch fan, preferring his earlier, more accessible, films" So, um... what's your beef with this film then? This isn't as wierd as, say Eraserhead, but it's one of the wierdest for sure. It's like saying you hate musicals and then complainging about going to see The Sound of Music; we get it, you don't like musicals. -- Well said, essjayar... I'm also not critical enough either... except with Transformers. Aside from nostalgia, that movie (and it's sequel) had nothing but incomprehensible action, infantile humor, bad acting, bad screenwriting, and a bad plot. "But it had fighting robots!" [sigh] But it was Michael Bay, so I'm not sure why I expected more.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By SCY385 1 April 2, 2010 10:22:11 PM

I agree with a couple of these. There Will Be Blood had me scratching my head. I don't get it and I don't want to. It was awful and Day-Lewis saved this movie from being complete incomprehensible crap. The Matrix is wonderful technologically and that's about it. Star Wars is just corny. That is the only way I can describe it. The Empire Strikes Back is a much better film all the way around. The English Patient put me to sleep. I disagree about The Hangover and The Mist. Now The Hangover was a little overrated, but it was still pretty funny. The Mist just worked for me. And I agree about a certain characters death. I was doing backflips over it.

Re: 10 movies we don't see what all the fuss was about
Posted By Lizzo 1 July 19, 2010 05:45:56 PM

I disagree with the Richard Curtis ones (though I've never liked Four Weddings and a Funeral as much), but I definitely agree with the others. What's worse is when they make sequels... Do we really need another Hangover?
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