Doctor Who: The Name Of The Doctor spoiler-free thoughts

Feature Simon Brew 16 May 2013 - 10:07

What treats are in store for the Doctor Who series 7 finale, The Name Of The Doctor? Here are some spoiler-free thoughts...

Two things up front. Number one, this is not a review. It's a sort-of-review, but for a reason we're about to mention, it's not a full one. The second thing, then, and that reason? We've seen all but the last scene of The Name Of The Doctor (something we'd rather be up front about, rather than pretend otherwise), but the BBC is holding back the full ending until Saturday night. Granted, if you particularly want to, you can hit Google to find out what's going to happen, but we haven't. Please, then, even if you do know the ultimate ending here, don't spoil it for others, and please keep spoilery thoughts out of the comments below.

What we're going to talk about instead are our spoiler-free thoughts on the 40 or so minutes we saw.  And what we saw was very good indeed.

We've got to inevitably tread carefully, because developments and spoilers start flying extremely early on in The Name Of The Doctor. Furthermore, this is another episode where Matt Smith takes a while to make his entrance, with the episode setting up its many characters - it's little secret who's returning, be they on the Doctor's side or not - before it properly brings him in.

There's a lot to juggle here, too. In truth, we've missed having the odd two parter in this run of Doctor Who, not least because a couple of stories of series 7 feel as though they've rushed to wrap things up (take The Power Of Three, which we thoroughly enjoyed, for 90% of its running time). The irony, though, is that The Name Of The Doctor has a lot of story to tell, with a lot of characters, and yet it all seems to fit (at least so far). Steven Moffat's writing, when firing on all cylinders, juggles an ensemble particularly well (just go and take a look back at Coupling for plenty of evidence of that), and that's certainly the case here. 

Perhaps the most interesting thing we found about the 40 minutes of The Name Of The Doctor that we saw was its willingness to answer questions. Furthermore, its willingness to answer questions without over confusing things.

There had been criticisms in particular of last series' finale, The Wedding Of River Song, that it had been tricky to follow. The Name Of The Doctor, structurally, is more straightforward in that regard, although no less ambitious. It feels - again appreciating that we've not seen every minute of it - a more rounded, more satisfying and strong series finale. Crucially, it also feels like a more accessible one.

From the off, we think lots of people are going to like this one. We did. In fact, even before the credits roll, the nerd bait had begun in earnest, with a lovely sequence that had us borderline squealing with glee. There are no shortage of moments like that throughout. Apologies for being very vague, but there are things in here that you're going to have a lot of fun discovering for yourself.

There are still one or two issues, based on what we've seen. For instance, we do have one or two reservations, to do with antagonists in The Name Of The Doctor. But given that these may resolve themselves in the material we've not seen, we'll hold them back for our spoiler-filled look at the episode on Saturday.

After all, The Name Of The Doctor may yet add on an ending that makes us question every word we've just written above. There's no sign that it will, though, at least that we've picked up on so far. And assuming it gets those last few minutes right, this might just be one of the best Doctor Who series finales - be they mid- or end-season - of recent times. Hope so...

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I really do hope that all this build-up and speculation doesn't all ultimately amount to a huge disappointment... again.

A very nice article and I think it will be a great episodeand I wish it was a going to be a bit longer, we might see more of gallifrey then

I'm excited. Very excited indeed. I've been dodging spoilers for the last week and I can't wait to see the pay-off!

I thought that writing a good review was tough, but I realise now that writing a good spoiler-free 'non-review' is a whole lot tougher


Well, you are giving me hope in a time when I certainly needed it, because I was expecting an "ok" at most... I don't think it will change my view on the whole 7b season/series, but I hope it is as good as you say! =)

Nicely wets the appetite! Oh, and many of the whingers have already made up their minds it's a disappointment. Just the chore of having to watch it left and then they can get back to their DVD box sets of Eastenders in Space (aka. Series1-4).

I'm looking forward to it along with the 50th. I have thoroughly enjoyed 7B despite the puzzling churlishness that seems to dominate the online reactions. I absolutely adore Clara. She is becoming my favorite companion (ahead of Zoe, Leela, Romana I and Rose) and Matt Smith is always brilliant. Funny with a dark edge. Here's to the next 50.

With that attitude in place it will almost certainly disappoint - my advice don't even bother watching, just go straight to the disappointment and use the time you saved for some light housework or crafts!

Personally, I like indulging in topiary rather than domestic chores or voodoo.

It sounds like there's going to be things to look forward to. Moffat can be a bit hit and miss. However on thing I have enjoyed is Madame Vastra, Strax and Jenny, so I'm glad that they've been brought back. Hopefully River Song gets some good scenes as well. I haven't always enjoyed the over the top complex story lines that Moffat uses but Matt Smith is by far my favourite Doctor in the new series and I can't wait to see his performance in the final.

Is Matt Smith good in this episode?

I don't expect this episode - or, indeed, ANY episode under Moffat's clumsy stewardship - to scale the heights of season 1 - 4 (EastEnders in Space or not it was PROPER drama populated by believable people, not blank, wise-cracking cyphers), I'm hoping Moffat can bring himself to actually resolve some of these irritating mysteries he's dotted throughout the series so that next year we can just et on with telling good stories full of interesting characters and aliens.

Well I think that says more about the kind of people you associate with than anything.
High school drop outs obsessed with chips and TV are no more believable than those with abandonment issues but a thirst for adventure, however I know which makes for a more interesting watch and am glad to have the RTD years as an unpleasant memory.

" And what we saw was very good indeed."

We're not falling for that one again.

Not really, you forget the law of diminished expectations.

Both RTD and Moffat have flaws. I think its widely accepted that Russel is a far better character writer than Moffat - while Moffat is a better storyteller than Russel.

It's no lie that the best episodes of series 1-4 were all written by Moffat. Russels stories (while often very good) also often fell short because of the lack of a good story - take each series finale. Daleks back, Daleks back, Daleks back. There was no surprise, no twists. Twists is something that Moffat has given us in bucket loads (which in turn has become a problem at some points)

Personally, while I much prefer the diverse, surprising and dark nature of series 5-7, I still love RTDs series 1-4, and think that people should stop complaining on any and every article about how they think the show is crap now. It's fine to state your opinion, but to force it down peoples throat again and again under literally any article concerning Doctor Who is very frustrating, so much that I have started to ponder whether there is actually something wrong with me for enjoying the heck out of series 7 while other people seem to hate it. Oh well, opinions, opinions...

Oh, hello again. I haven't seen you on Doctor Who TV lately, and I can no longer see you on the list of people I'm following. Have you been banned or something?

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I wouldn't say that Moffat did write all the best episodes of series 1-4 (while The Empty Child is easily the best of 2005, I enjoyed The Satan Pit more than The Girl in the Fireplace, Human Nature more than Blink, and Midnight more than Silence in the Library), but he was about the most consistent writer of those series. I was among those jumping for joy when he was announced as the head writer. I thought series 5 was flawed, but great (with the premiere and finale being better than any RTD had managed to come up with). But series 6 was a mess (with some great episodes not written by Moffat), wrecking a great potential storyline (River's) by cramming her entire backstory into Let's Kill Hitler (along with about six other storylines, none of which were given room to breathe). Series 7 part 1 was mostly great, although incredibly rushed, but part 2 has been very disappointing and frequently boring. And having only 6-8 episodes a year hasn't ingratiated him with the fanbase either.

Actually I deleted my own account as that stalkerish fellow eater creeped me out. The Internet is full of odd fellows and that guy really took the biscuit.

Just remember one thing: it's in series 5 -7 that we have 2 weddings, a birth, a baby's kidnapping and a double suicide (but it all end well anyway because Ponds).

I'm sure you already looooove the Name of the Doctor.

People mostly don't complained because of twists but because some of them aren't really well executed (Teselecta was a big let down).

Oh, wow. Ok. Who was that?

Well, I did enjoy reading your comments (though I did think they could be quite disrespectful sometimes) since they were essentially exactly what I thought. I completely agreed with you when you said that no one's allowed to criticise RTD any more. You basically said what I was always thinking but never said myself, so it's a shame to see you go.

You'll find it all ended well because paradox actually. If they died in the fall, that would be a huge plothole. And if you call being cut off from everyone in your life apart from your spouse ending well, I invite you to try it.

Actually anyone that has facebooked the BBC Doctor Who knows that reference.

Well, as you seem to have made up your mind I wouldn't bother watching.

No slagging off intended - at the most mild eye rolling and amusement certainly not slagging off. Comment was meant very lightly, and I'd be delighted to see your shrubbery!

It is a good shrubbery. I like the laurels particularly.

Yes but all the feelings is exactly what you find in tele novellas.

In your dreams!

The 6-8 episodes a year thing is a real problem, and I hope to god that its gone for series 8. But Moffat has said time and time again that splitting the series over 2 years was never his decision - rather the BBCs.

People constantly seem to hate on Moffat for things that aren't even anything to do with him and honestly it just makes me feel sorry for the poor bloke. He already had to delete his twitter because of the hate, and he must have so much pressure on him to deliver a good 50th story...we can only hope that he does or else the fans hate for him will be never ending...

This sounds good.

This post-Ponds series/season has been perfectly pleasant and engaging, if a bit aimless. I'm still waiting to be wowed in this 50th anniversary year, though.

Assuming that doesn't happen this weekend -- after we learn the secret of the underwhelming mystery of Clara and do not learn the name of the Doctor (at least I hope we don't) -- we have the anniversary special, the docudrama, and the Christmas special.

I do wish there was a throughline leading up to this finale, aside from occasional references to "the impossible girl," but we are where we are. Having gone from overly clever and not well resolved complexity to perhaps too much simplicity.

But that's too negative to end on. Matt Smith and JLC have turned in terrific performances and the look of the show has never been better.

I'm sorry to do this, but I'm compelled to ruin the ending for you all. The Doctor rips off his face - which turns out to be a mask and he reveals his name is Frank Sinatra. Clara then follows suit and reveals that she is actually Ginger Rogers, the whole cast then come together to see the episode out in a good old fashioned Hollywood song and dance number.
Sorry to anyone who wanted to go into this episode blind :-)

So this is where all of the Doctor Who TV gang are hanging out while Doctor Who TV bans comments...

Yeah, we've all ran over here after The Fall of Doctor Who TV

I'm really excited!

Also, I notice loads of Doctor Who TV members had migrated here...

On the Fields of Trenzalore, at The Fall of Doctor Who TV, a question shall be asked... WHEN WILL WE BE ALLOWED TO COMMENT AGAIN?????

no bait and switch permitted sir! Bring us a shrubbery! Or we shall taunt you a second time!

So this is where everyone moved to.

Indeed. I wanted to comment on the ratings for NiS and give my rankings so far. I want to give my opinions on things and discuss what will happen. It's a shame we will only be allowed to comment *after* the finale...

It would be absolutely amazing if that happened. I mean, we're all like "That's absolutely hilarious!", not expecting that this will actually happen...

Russell T Davies did a brilliant job. Doctor Who had just felt awkward since series six. I'm sticking with Russell. His series just felt more fun and he wasn't trying to add mystery to everything all of the time. I really want another Torchwood series. I miss his Doctor Who stuff so much and his Torchwood series makes up for that.

Here's something I've said about Moffat a while back:

"To be honest, I don't like Moffat's era at all. He tries to make everything complicated, but in the end it's not complicated, there's lots of plot holes and it just comes out... weird! It just doesn't feel right! He messes it up by trying to mix everything that shouldn't be together together. His companion arcs never come out quite right either.

How I see it is that all of Old Who is like an adult version of Doctor Who. It's made in an adult sort of way. More mature and hard to understand. Russell's New Who is like a child version of Doctor Who. It's silly, immature, fun and easy to watch. I like both these genres of Doctor Who. But then comes Moffat's version! This version is like a teenager version of Doctor Who. Everything is messed up and hormones are flying everywhere! It just feels so wrong! So not Doctor Who!

I think Moffat is more cut out for Sherlock type of programs. Because in a way, Moffat's Doctor Who is very much like Sherlock. Sherlock is supposed to be confusing in a not confusing type of way! It's supposed to feel like everything is in places they shouldn't be in! But Doctor Who isn't! Doctor Who can sometimes be childish and fun, it can sometimes be grown up and hard to understand, it can even be confusing sometimes, but you can't have them all at once like you can with Sherlock!

I'm not saying Moffat's Doctor Who is rubbish and I hate it, because it isn't and I don't. I really do like his version of Doctor Who, but it isn't even nearly as good as it was when Moffat wasn't in charge! I don't get excited about it like I used to! I used to feel like I do with Merlin around Doctor Who, but now I'm just not bothered about it! It sometimes even feels like a chore to watch it because see plot holes everywhere and moments that are supposed to be confusing but aren't. Doctor Who just isn't what it was or could be. Moffat just isn't the right person to be the head director.

Bear in mind that I am not trying to make any of you dislike Moffat or the current series of Doctor Who. These are my opinions. I'm not trying to force anyone into thinking what I think on this. Thanks for taking time to read all of that!"

Apparently I can no longer type anymore in there, so I'll carry on here. Moffat's Doctor Who also feels like he's trying to make it for children but adding adult ideas too. His characters feel too fictional. They all have this quirky, awkward thing around them. Especially Clara in series seven. She just feels awkward. Series seven is a big let down for me. Here is a couple more things I've said in the past:

"People are allowed to have opinions. Lots of people don't like The Doctor's Wife and lots of people aren't looking forward to Nightmare in Silver, and they're allowed to think this! My favourite series seven episodes so far are The Rings of Akhaten and The Power of Three, yet I seem to be jumped on about it! To be a fan of something you have to be able to criticise things you feel aren't right and don't like. If you think an episode is "perfect" then you're forcing it on yourself."

And my episode ranking so far, since I couldn't do it after Nightmare in Silver:

"1.) The Rings of Akhaten
2.) The Power of Three
3.) The Snowmen
4.) Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
5.) Nightmare in Silver
6.) Hide
7.) Cold War
8.) Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
9.) Asylum of the Daleks
10.) A Town Called Mercy
11.) The Bells of Saint John
12.) The Crimson Horror
13.) The Angels take Manhattan

Note that this is off of the top of my head..."

Thanks for being so level headed and actually making great points about why you prefer series 1-4 without subjecting to biting Moffats face off. That was actually a great read and could almost be an article in itself. While on the whole I disagree, I do agree with some of your points (specifically, the one about Clara - though I think she's under-developed for a reason...)

It's people like you who restore my faith in Whovians. People who have their opinions and are open about them, but choose to say them calmly and respectfully; not loudly and rudely forcing their opinions down other peoples throats like many people have been recently. So thanks! For that I fully respect and in some cases agree with your view :)


I've always wanted to be in the perfect scenario to shout "SHUT YOUR BIG FAT MOUTHS!"

Thanks for what you have just said. It is probably the nicest comment I've had on Disqus. Usually I'll voice my opinions of the seventh series and be called an idiot and be hated by the majority. It's nice to see that there are people who accept my opinions, no matter how different they are. One time I got so frustrated that I posted this on Doctor Who TV, which didn't exactly help me...

"This is where I would say that the episode is my second least favourite this series, the last scene was the worst scene in Doctor Who's history, Moffat hasn't been that good of a writer since series five, and series seven is my least favourite of New Who, in great detail. I would give lots of reasons that are my own opinion and would go on to say that everyone is allowed to think what they want. But I've decided not to do this because it would be pointless to type up ten detailed paragraphs and still be scolded for having an opinion. Every time I criticise Who here and give a good reason behind it I get about thirty dislikes and fifty hate comments. So what's the point? Instead I'll follow most of the Who sheep and lie because opinions aren't allowed:

This is the best Doctor Who episode ever! A definite 10/10 for me! Nothing can beat this! Well, nothing until next week's Doctor Wo episode, which will also be the best one ever!"

AHAHAHAHA! oh god that comment pretty much happened over 10 times when I defended series 7 on the doctor who facebook page...people are so brash sometimes :D

Hold on, people don't like series seven on the Facebook page? How about we switch? Everyone loves series seven on Doctor Who TV and some say it's the best series ever. I do accept their opinions, but it is so hard to be on a site where my opinions are completely opposite to the majority's...

yeah I understand! Though I am one of the people guilty of being over positive on Doctor Who TV...

its a bit funny that when Doctor Who TV disables comments the one thing we all want to do is have the comments back to talk about the fact that they disabled comments!! But really, its a good thing that they disabled them for now :)

It's actually not, you know.

Then where? Is there a secret hideout ?

I hope it will be entertaining and not timeywimeywibblywobbly: The Sound of Drums was on some channel or other last night and I was astonished at how bold it was. Not necessarily subtle - but it packed something of a punch coming back to it after the last three years. I love Matt Smith but I'm not sure the material has served him as well as it might. This season, however, has been the best of his three years.

Follow me on Disqus and then check the dashboard.

It's great that you enjoyed the RTD era, I stopped watching personally about the time it hit series 3. Being teenagers and filled with hormones is surely more appropriate to the RTD era with two of the companions constantly lusting after the Doctor, one of whom cheating on her boyfriend (at least emotionally if not physically) in the process. In contrast Moffats first order of buisness was to redirect Amy's affections back towards her fiance.
But it was never adult as you put it, the classic show always had a target age range of 12 and I struggle to think of a particularly complex or hard to grasp plot from the classic era.

This whole "awkward thing" is how most people actually are - Rose felt entirely fictional to me. Clara may be a mystery, she's supposed to keep the Doctor on edge, but Amy and Rory with their respective issues are far more believable to me personally.
I don't know if Rose with her lines like "you'll be back, I know how sad you are" is believable or not, but she's not like anyone I associate with, nor that I would want to.

Odd list, especially your number one spot. Rings and Dinosaurs were pretty dire.

1.) Asylum of the Daleks
2.) The Bells of Saint John
3.) Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
4.) The Snowmen
5.) A Town Called Mercy
6.) The Angels take Manhattan
7.) Hide
8.) Cold War
9.) The Power of Three
10.) Nightmare in Silver
11.) Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
12.) The Crimson Horror
13.) The Rings of Akhaten

Off the top of my head, I would say Warriors' Gate was pretty adult and complex...Kinda as well...sorry...just had to throw that in there.

Frank and Ginger? Really? just not the right ring to it. 'Snerk' Well, the musical thing at this point would not be out of place, going back to 'Let's Kill Hitler' and even Amy and Rory's Wedding.


I, too, like Vastra, Jenny, Strax and River.

Hey, aren't you mixing metaphors there buddy? Oh wait, it's only scenes in a movie. Well, carry on . . .

OK, here I go. It's a funny thing about lists. You write one, and the next day you want to change it all around because it's the next day. Anyway, I did enjoy something or the other about each one of these. I don't hate any of them per se. So, well, here goes:

The Snowmen
A Town Called Mercy
The Angels Take Manhattan
Asylum of The Daleks
The Bells of Saint John
The Power of Three
The Crimson Horror
Dinosaurs On a Spaceship
Cold War
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

Nightmare in Silver
The Rings of Akhaten

I am looking forward to it, and that is enough for me. Let's Kill Hitler is probably my least favorite ep. of the reboot (such a mess) but even it had its moments. It's only television in the end, and I enjoy so little of it. At least Who still entertains me on some illogical level. 900 years old, 1000 years old, timey whimey, Sweetie , soapy, daft, unreasonable, it's sci fi! It can be what it wants to be (or its makers really!), and we can tag along or not as we see fit. Anyway, I will be there, curious, and that is enough for me.

Naaah, we already know that the Doctor and Frank sang a duet together in one of the Christmas specials, the one in which he married Marilyn Monroe!

Crikey, sound of the drums? It was awful, just plain painfully bad. Master dancing to scissor sisters, Dobby Doctor, time rewind button.

That's not Sound of Drums. Utopia and Sounds of Drums were absolutely amazing. Completely brilliant. You're talking about Last of the Time Lords, which is the finale which ruined it for me quite a bit. Still, there were a couple of good moments, like the Doctor cradling the Master as he died. The worst part for me was the part where the Doctor went all wizard.

Utopia was good, but Sound of the Drums was not, time rewind may have been in part 2 but LOTS of ridiculously stupid elements were in part 1. And cradling the Master, his long time nut job enemy was massively silly.

I really hope this is a good one. I am hopeful. Series 7 has been a little underwhelming, there have been good stories but nothing really memorable and a fair chunk that's disappointed. I just get the general feeling of ideas running a bit dry and the lack of any two-parters preventing some stories from fully developing, such as Nightmare in Silver judging by Gaiman's tweets.

I hope The Name of the Doctor can end this run on a high note. And as ever, thanks for the spoiler-free reviews...partial reviews too!

It's not the Master he is cradling but the last other Gallifreyan, the last to know what it is to be like him. You have to put yourself in his shoes.

I want to read the comments, but for once I am going to stay spoiler free so not risking it.

You're right there. I'm pretty sure I didn't understand them at the time, and I was probably a little more than 12 then. I should really go back and see if I understand and appreciate them more now. I have a feeling I'd really like Warrior's Gate this time around having seen more of the literature it was inspired by.

I've got to ask, you really didn't think Rory Williams was a believable character? I mean, yeah, he died about six times and came back as a robot, but those little trifles aside I reckon he's probably the most believable companion the new series has had.

Odd list, especially since 'The Bells of Saint John' was pretty dire. Consider your post invalidated.
Alternatively, here's a wacky idea, how about we just agree to stop stating our opinions as though they were immutable universal truths? To be fair, you're FAR from the only person guilty of this, and I don't mean to pick on you, but you're a Doctor Who fan, not the Pope speaking ex cathedra. There's no "correct" way of rating any artistic endeavour, least of all a Doctor Who episode.
De gustibus non est disputandum, my friend.
(That's latin for "I'm pretentious").

I respectfully disagree on Sound of Drums. I watched Series 3 again recently and I just found that three-parter to be where Russell T. Davies completely dropped the ball. While Last of the Time Lords is definitely the worst part (the dancing Master has to be the single dumbest thing RTD ever put into a Doctor Who script), Sound of Drums isn't that great. We have an out of nowhere explanation for the Master's origin, we have the beyond forced romantic storyline with Martha (something I find forced and tacky about all the new series, not just RTD's run), Captain Jack proves to be little more than a third wheel and it's very haphazard. But hey if you like it, no problem, just I'm not too fond of it myself.

If they are not releasing the last scene, does ths suggest either a regeneration (unlikely given 50th anniversary shots) or the return of DT in this episode? I guess we will find out tomorrow evening. Looking forward to it

The rest of his race had died. The Master was the last one. Him being upset was perfect and set the moment perfectly.
Name three stupid things from part one.

I respectfully disagree. I really didn't know why the Doctor would be nice to the Master, other than that he was the only other surviving Time Lord. Especially given when in the past he:
- Tried to trigger an intergalactic war ("Frontier in Space")
- Destroy two-thirds of the universe ("Logopolis")
- Tried to murder the Doctor and take over his body ("The TV Movie")
- Has killed many humans, the Doctor's favourite race
- Tried to destroy Gallifrey to renew his own existence ("The Deadly Assassin")
You're welcome to disagree, but I just personally don't see how that plot point made much sense.

Your reaction would make more sense if my post was removed from the context of a reply. As it is you've just stuck it into the realms of a closed timeloop.

No, because that would require re-watching that excruciatingly painful tosh again. I don't know what was episode 1 and 2 - but I do know I found both to be unforgivably poor. My memory was that the stupid aging thing started in episode 1, that the nonsense with the masters wife and the cheesy floating base of evil were all in sound of the drums, but I'm not going to confirm.

I think I was refering to the 'tone' of the piece (The Sound of Drums Episode) as being bold - of course it had ridiculous elements - if you think about it, the whole of Doctor Who is astonishingly ridiculous. But it was the boldness of telling a story that built to an astonishing climax and cliffhanger which was refreshing. The Master was in it - he was witty, amusing and dangerous - but his plan was direct and the storytelling was simple yet gripping. Who knows whether the next piece lets it down or not? In the moment of the viewing, the moment you hear 'Decimate - reduce the population by one tenth' you laugh at that dialogue because it is witty but also witness the terror at the same time. Delicious! Bold and you can see why viewers would tune in the next week. There is a story 'arc' but tellingly and cleverly it is not the story per se (which requires too much in terms of back story and reduces the audience to fans) it is there if you want to notice it - or not. I only notice this because I happened upon 'The Sound of Drums' accidentally and the comparison to recent Doctor Who invites the criticism - a bit like comparing Graham Williams 'Who' to that under the stewardship of JNT - for those of you old enough to remember.

I would once again disagree on the tone, because for me a problem with RTD (and to a degree, Moffat as well) is that the tone is very inconsistent. A good example is Gridlock - we go from serious, dangerous threat to almost cartoon-level humour with the human and the half-cat lady producing kittens as babies. A very serious tone ruined by unesscecary comedy. As for the Master's plan, I really failed to understand it. He takes over the Earth using a very non-understandable method and then sits on there before deciding to take over the universe. 1) Why hasn't he just done this? If he was able to take over Earth so quickly, surely he can do that to the rest of the universe. 2) Why does he need the Troclafane to take over the planet when he has a physic network he can use to take over people's minds?
Another problem with the Master I have in this storyline is that he's just too silly. People complain Smith is too silly, but Simm seems to be trying to make the Master into a 60's Batman villain, with the loud shouting and comical expressions. I know he recently said that he wanted to potray him darker than what RTD and the directors were allowing him to do, but he should have taken a stronger stance because Simm is a great actor and would make a very scary and dark Master. While he's not as bad as Eric Roberts in the TV Movie, I just find his Master to be too silly to be taken as a threat.
Again, none of this is a slam at you personally, its just I disagree with some of your points.

To me, the R.T.D. characters felt like they were Sci-fi version of soap characters. THat is to say, they are synthetic approximations of real people, designed for social realism rather than reality. The thing is, the viewing public are so used to watching Eastenders, Corrie, Hollyoaks et al that this is their standard for what is considered 'realistic characters' and emotional drive. These soaps also deal almost exclusively with the 'working class' (for want of a better description) inner city folk, and stick with stereotype to aid with familiarity for the audience. Witness Eastenders stream of 'cockney gangsta' types, or wayward teenagers, or the fact that they all know each other and hang out within the same square mile.

In any successful drama, characters don't just come from those archetypes. Moffat draws his characters froma broader base than R.T.D. ever did, and therefore for me, they feel more real than the soapy style that I associate with that era. Character development seemed to be when the Doctor sat with Rose and monologue about Stars and Loneliness, rather than anything else.

Of course, the doctor himself is a well established character, but each era has their own style. In the case of Tenant, I felt he was a gurning clown rather than a fun mad scientist (which is how I felt the Doctor was until the unstable Davidson and Colin Baker years).

Finally, the story style - Moffat is aiming squarely at creating fantastical adventures with layers of mystery. Yes, he's not always successful, but overall the feel of the Moffat ear is very much of the imagined and amazing. More The Hobbit or Harry Potter than CBBC in space.

To R.T.D., story rarely every was the main focus. He wanted us to see the Doctor 'bonding' with people, and he wanted to have big explosions, and big name baddies. How it all hung together was secondary. A prime example of that is The ENd of Time, which was turgid and awful.

Or The Stolen earth - where all of a sudden Donna turns into a meta-doctor and knows what knobs and buttons to push to magically fix everything in one simple move.
Don't get me started on Torchwood though (briefly - it didn't need to be anything to do with Doctor who, and didn't need to have Sex in it to make it 'adult'. It just needed well thought out plots, and definitely no John Barrowman who is a stage actor who thinks he's good on telly...)
Neither Moff or R.T.D. stand up to the likes of JJ Abrahms or Gene Rodenberry - but Moff is more to my liking than R.T.D.
Each to their own.

Twist: the Doctor's name is Justin Time.

Last of the Time Lords is one of my least favourite Tenth Doctor episodes, but Sound of Drums is to this day my favourite. Sound of Drums had no major flaws in it and was an amazing episode with and amazing story. The Valiant isn't evil, it was made as a project. UNIT used it for ages afterwards. The ageing thing worked perfectly the first time round. I loved the Lazarus idea. The wife thing is rather silly, but I can't think of one New Who episode that hasn't had one silly or stupid thing in. I can't see how you wouldn't like it. Are you sure you're not mixed up?

Also, because of the reasons you don't like Last of the Time Lords, I assume you really don't like series seven, like me. I mean, series seven is like a a bunch of much worse LotT episodes. Loads of flaws and awkward moments and moments that don't work at all.

Exactly. I loved that moment. If the last human ever was Hitler I'd still cradle him as he dies because he'd be the last human I'd ever see.

Because he's the last Time Lord. Having the last member of your species suddenly pop up out of no where would be great for you, no matter who he is. If this person dies, you'll sure break down because you realise that you're alone once again.

The missiles and plans weren't prepared and the Master was a hypnotist, but he wasn't that strong. And I don't see how Moffat doesn't do that. Moffat makes the characters act like cartoon characters and make them awkward to watch. Moffat makes the show for children because of his children. Russell just made it comfortable for everyone all of the time. I really miss him.

Completely agree. And the part where Martha teleports right to the edge of the destruction may seem unreal and silly, but it added perfect tension. Especially when she said that she'll return.

I still can't see why everyone loves series seven so much. I mean, everyone can think what they want, but I feel alone because hardly anyone sees series seven as a terrible one. I have so many reasons to hate it. It's actually my least favourite series ever, and I'm not over exaggerating. I just hope TNotD won't be bad. I hope Moffat will bring back the playful, not awkward charm for it. And hopefully it won't leave me thinking "This should have been a two parter" like almost every other episode has this series.

Really? I think Moffat's characters are the wort part. None of them seem real. He can't kill anyone off properly. How many times have main characters supposedly "died" now? Russell wanted to make Jenny a real and sad death, but Moffat asked to have her survive and fly off "to see the stars". The RTD characters may seem playful, but why would the Doctor choose a boring person to whizz around the universe with? Moffat's characters are all so alien and each person thinks and acts so awkward s that it's uncomfortable to watch. Clara is the worst in that respect so far.

And CBBC characters? Try Vastra, Jenny and Strax.

Talking of unnecessary and disrespectful hate for Moffat, just seen an article on the Daily Mail with the headline:

'Exterminate Doctor Who boss over Creative Nosedive'

the article then goes on to essentially say that series 7 has been crap and that Moffat should be fired. Again, the way Moffat is being treated is frankly disgusting, and completely uncalled for -_-

If you look at the comments, they all say the same thing - that Moffat is 'arrogant, idiotic and is making Doctor Who a childrens Cbeebies rip off' - I fail to understand how the show is more childish now than it was in the days of farting aliens, burping bins, and giggling lumps of baby fat...

That and the numerous complaints that the plots are too 'complicated', which I'm sorry to say is just people not paying enough attention to the show...I guess people are more used to having their entertainment spoon-fed like in 'Britains Got Talent', rather than having to switch on their brains to watch something that is actually mildly intelligent...

Rory has died about four times and Clara talks in a really annoying way. "Red light! I better not press! Actually, I'll press it! Why did I press that red light?!" Ugh. It's like she's trying to be like the Doctor but failing an awful lot. And the sort of questions she asks, how she asks them and when she asks them just makes it worse! I mean, asking a woman if she loves a bloke in a haunted house in a really childish way? And then saying "Oh, it's there" in an even weirder way? It really gets me.

I honestly am loving this series. Despite several rushed endings (like in 'The Power of Three' or 'Nightmare in Silver) I think it has had some ingenious ideas and concepts, great dialogue, inspired directing and SFX, added with absolutely sublime performances from Matt Smith - his 'Akhaten' speech anyone - and a great start from Jenna Louise Coleman, and I would go as far to say that this has been one of my favorite series of New Who...

if you want awful, take another look at series two. apart from the odd great episode (The Satan Pit & The Girl in the Fireplace) we were constantly given below mediocre episodes (New Earth, School Reunion, The Idiots Lantern, Love and Monsters, Fear Her...) Couple that with a beyond beyond overrated finale (which is only recognized for its ending,without that it would be incredibly sub-par) and the most annoying doctor/companion pairing in the history of Doctor Who and you've got the worst series of New Who... then again, some people seem to love series 2 so its all opinions...

and trust me - take one look at the Doctor Who facebook page and you will see that the majority of people do nothing but hate and spit on series are most definetly not alone...

Everyone seems to hate most series two episodes on DWTV. I thought it was a great series! Everyone mainly hates Love and Monsters and Fear Her, which were two brilliant ones! What about wheat he Doctor runs with the torch? Possible one of my favourite moments in Doctor Who history. The Rings of Akhaten, The Power of Three and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship are the only episodes in series seven that reach "average" for me. Most of the others seemed rushed. They felt like they have missed a whole other forty five minutes out of the show. Especially Crimson Horror. That just rushed by and didn't make much sense. Most people seem to think that it's the best episode ever. I think it may be one of the worst, especially with that last scene. Having these different opinions makes me feel so alone. Why can't people see this through my eyes? I hate this feeling.

I thought 'The Crimson Horror' was absolutely sublime. A camp, disturbing, Victorian, Wallace and Gromit style romp with a script absolutely teeming with character. It is one of my favourites (granted, that scene at the end is rather bad but it doesn't spoil it)

Love and Monsters was incredibly mediocre. What could have been a very interesting concept was spoilt halfway through by the introduction of Victory Kennedy - a villain so awful in concept and design that everything this episode had going for it (the exploration of Jackie and the effect the doctor had on her) was thrown out the window.

As for Fear Her. It remains my least favorite who episode of all time (that includes The Twin Dilemna) a terrible setting, terrible acting, terrible 'monster', awful jokes, and an attempted sub-plot about a girl getting abused by her father which felt incredibly out of place considering the comedic tone beforehand... and that 'best Doctor Who moment ever' of 10 carrying the flame was not needed and personally remains one of my most cheesy and hated Doctor Who moments! But if you love it great :)

And I've said it before, most people hate series 7. Just log on to facebook and join the hate there, you aren't alone! For me though, I'll stick to praising a series that I love and one that frankly needs some support to outweigh the overwhelmingly bitter negativity it has been met with hitherto...

I don't converse on Facebook. It's hard to keep track of conversations. No, I really don't think most people hate this series. It' the majority's favourite so far. It's hard to talk about what I like in Doctor Who when everyone else hates it. It's like the scissor scene from the first season with Susan. It remain's one of my favourite scenes ever, but according to the Internet I'm "not allowed" to love it. I'm not allowed to love LaM for its beautiful concepts no rather funny monster or Fear Her for it's beautiful lovely nature and funny scenes like the "council" joke. I'm not talking about you, I mean people in general.

One time on the forums everyone was saying their ages a couple of years ago. I gave my age as thirteen, which is was at the time, and was immediately jumped upon. People told me that that's the reason I have such horrible opinions. That I must be childish and will have to grow up to understand I'm wrong. The Internet is a horrible place, but I have no where else to talk about the things I love.

I think that most of these comments show that in this season so far
there is a story for everyone - someone's highs are another person's
lows and that's how it's always been with Doctor Who. I've been a fan
since the early 70's (Pertwee to Baker onwards) and can remember getting
bored with some of the episodes whilst jumping up and down (behind the
sofa) with excitement at others. It's what presses your buttons in the
end, as as we're all different, we'll respond differently accordingly!
Having said that if Clara is a past/present/future manifestation of
River Song then I'll scream...!

Yeah, but he's still caused so many problems for the Doctor over the years. Not to mention that given his perchant for cheating death, why was the Doctor so sure he was going to stay dead and why was he so emotional about it? I hope the Master reappears soon, because it would be a underwhelming 50th annviersary without the Doctor's arch-nemesis involved in some form.

I'm not saying Moffat doesn't do that (look at Amy for example), but I find it be more noticable under RTD. Most of the villains are very serious, but characters like Jackie Tyler come across as thin charactitures rather than real people. Love & Monsters is a very noticable example of this, and it's not helped because the actors aren't doing well. Really all the story problems with RTD's run would have killed it in my opinion had it not been for Tennant, Eccleston, Piper, Tate or Cribbin's acting, because without those incredibly strong actors (no disrespect to Matt Smith or Jenna-Louise Coleman, because they're the best things about Moffat's run) then the story flaws would have been WAY more noticeable.
I don't think it's comfortable for everyone. Many classic series fans still refuse to watch the newer show because of the huge changes (I vehemently disagree with them, but that's just me) in tone and character. I get missing certain writers from Who, I'm a big fan of Robert Holme's work on the show (although he has the excuse of not being alive anymore), but with RTD, I struggle to understand why people think his work is flawless, when I personally find it to be very flawed and not that great (barring Rose, Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, Doomsday and Midnight, which are fantastic episodes of his). I started watching Who with the RTD run, but I don't think it's aged very well at all, but you're very welcome to disagree with you.

Oh honestly, honestly honestly, the majority of people do hate this series. Everywhere you look, under any article, comments are filled with bitter hatred for both this series and Steven Moffat. And if you don't realise that just do a quick google search and you can vent there with people who agree with you :)

I know its hard to struggle to have your opinion heard - its literally the reason why I'm so positive about the series here, because everyone else hated series 7, I was a fish out of water getting my voice heard. Don't listen to people who shoot you down about the things you love.

You love 'Love and Monsters'? Fine! I wish I could feel the same way, and its great that you have the ability to look past the horrific Absorbaloff and realise the episode for its themes of being left behind. Its great that you love the 'council' joke in Fear Her- and while I find it incredibly cheesy and cringe-worthy- I envy you for being able to laugh it off.

Never let other people tell you what you should enjoy, no matter whether you are 13 or 30 we all have opinions. No one should stop you from speaking them (unless you are trying to shove it down peoples throat which you aren't!)

oh god, that was so cringy preachy...I had better stop typing now, I feel like a therapist XD

Everyone I meet on the Internet who like Doctor Who say that series seven and Moffat are the best thing to happen to Doctor Who and that Russell's Doctor Who wasn't good at all. They then all go on to say that they're annoyed that so many people hate series seven and Moffat and why so many people absolutely love Russell. Where are these people they, and you, are talking about? I'd love to meet them. No offence, but I think these people are fictional because I've never came across someone who prefers Russell to Steven.

That's suprising. Everywhere I've seen (this site, Doctor Who TV, YouTube, Twitter, Tumblr, even amateur critic's comments pages) is saying that Series 7 sucks and is full of the worst episodes ever and that Moffat should go (that last part I agree with, by the way). I feel sorry for people like you who don't intend to cause trouble and don't force your views on others. And once again no slam intended at you by all this, it's just every site I've seen seems to despite Moffat and Series 7.

I do tend to be rather bitter when it comes to Doctor Who as of late. It's just that, after spending hours saying what I feel and think and mainly being scolded for it, you can't really blame me can you? I've been involved with lots of fandoms and I must say that Whovians are probably the worst. There's just so many of us and almost all of us are extremely opinionated. I'm extremely opinionated, but I at least try not to say that people are wrong for thinking the way they do.

I stick with Doctor Who TV now. At least over there it feels a little bit like a large family, which is how I like it...

Do you really think the Master is the Doctor's arch-nemesis? I mean, if they had to work together to do something they would. They're the perfect rivals and oppose each others beliefs, but I think the one reason who really hates the Doctor would be Davros.

What he said!

I think Doctor Who TV's comment sections is one of the best on the entire internet. It allows for diverse opinions and for those opinions to be respected and treated well. I'm sad you've gone through a lot as a result of joining this fandom (I have as well), but I hope there are places like Doctor Who TV that do allow for respect of other's and their opinions.
I've got to say thought out of every fandom I've been involved in, nothing tops my experience in the Star Wars fandom. I left after it emerged that people (including forum mods) responded to creative decisions about the Star Wars prequels by photoshopping George Lucas' face onto porn. That's really the worst I've seen in any fandom at all (and I was in a fandom for an internet comedian when it turned out people from a rival fandom sent death threats to her home) and has left me jaded at the Star Wars fandom as a result.

It's just how I interpret it. I've always thought of him as the Green Goblin to the Doctor's Spider-Man, but I think your suggestion that it's Davros would be a very good one as well.

The Internet can be a dark and vile place. Eventually you just don't care. You get used to the things you see on here and just ignore it or make a passing comment on your dislike of it. Seeing a fake picture of Hitler raping Anne Frank, people being mocked for believing in things, and even a joke to make Beliebers slit their wrists and then laughing about it makes you become a harder person and just blankly pass through it.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense. I'm beginning to get tired.

I feel the need to post this after reading so many comments here about RTD.

Personally i think that Moffat's run with the show has been terrible in comparison with RTD. Now don't get me wrong RTD isn't perfect far from it. He has overseen some truly terrible episodes (love and monsters). Its just if i were to name episodes in which Moffat has dropped the ball the lost would be much longer, it would include all of series 7, excluding asylum of the daleks, angels in manhatten and the snowmen and the finale as i haven't seen it yet.

The main thing that annoys me about Moffats run is that he has written some properly fantastic episodes for the show and has been way more adventurous with his writing than RTD was and yet since his take over there have been so many awful episodes. I have to mention the power of three here. The power of three was so poorly written (yes i am aware moffat didn't personally write it but he oversaw and gave it the go ahead) it made no sense at all and it spent all its time with cheap comedy such as Rory in his pants and the doctor playing the Wii. Then its resolution. One flick of the sonic screwdriver and suddenly you have thousands of people cured of their fatal heart attacks. Practically all of series 7 seems to be more focused on a quick gag rather than story telling from Thomas thomas the direction giving sat nav child in the crimson horror to the doctor riding a triceratops through a spaceship.

The finale of series 6 was also the biggest letdown in the history of doctor who. I didn't find the episode that confusing to be honest i just found it horribly written with the doctor hiding from his death that "MUST HAPPEN" inside a robot version of himself. That was the most unsatisfactory conclusion to the doctors death plot arch possible. How can moffat write such fantastic episodes such us Tooth and claw, The girl in the fireplace (still my favourite to this day) ,Blink, Silence in the library, forest of the dead, the eleventh hour and The impossible astronaut but then allow such terrible episodes such as the wedding of river song, dinosaurs on a spaceship, the power of three, the bells of st john (motorcycle up the shard was so dum) the rings of ackahten, the cold war and the crimson horror to be aired.

RTD was much more consistent. Yes there were low points and high points and there was waaaay to much of 21st century London but a series felt like a series. A Whole unit. Moffat's series are so inconsistent and disjointed it feels like we get 2 (maybe three if we are good) outstanding episodes a season with the rest being properly awful. I have told myself that if the 50th isn't good i'm going to stop watching. I hope the name of the doctor is an improvement over the entirety of season 7 and i hope that moffat gets back on form. Otherwise i'm sure i'm not the only viewer he will lose after this truly horrendous series.

Seriously. Thomas Thomas wasn't funny moffat.

No, it makes perfect sense, you definitely get it. :) I'm sad you've bad experiences as part of the Doctor Who fandom, I just hope that the recent wave of negativity hasn't totally hurt you as a person. And sorry if I came across as a jackass towards you.

Wow, you really are arrogant about your opinions aren't you. "I can't see how you wouldn't think like me". No - the whole aging thing was immediately silly - it doesn't matter who constructed the flying base, look around, do you see any? It's 2013 now. Can you think of any good reason why UNIT, a largely covert operation, would even want a vehicle of that nature even if somehow they had acquired the technology to do so?

And no I really am enjoying series 7 for the most part - thus far it's the weakest Moffat season (but a good finale could bump it above 6) but not due to anything particularly silly, certainly nothing along to the extent of LotT, it's just lacked a Doctors Wife, Girl Who Waited, The Big Bang, Vincent and the Doctor or something similar to really elevate the series as a whole - as it is it's been a strong, unobjectionable, but ultimately not particularly memorable series - so still better in my eyes than any of the RTD years.
But the RTD eras worst tosh, such as End of Time, Last of the Timelords and the Stolen Earth, Love and Monsters, Fear Her, they're all just so many unpleasant memories. *waves then farewell with no fondness*

What were these great and consistent episodes you speak of from the RTD era? Aside from Moffats own episodes and those of Mr Cornell I didn't see any personally, hence giving up watching in the RTD years. Yes, as you rightly point out, every RTD penned episode was absolutely dire, but so were all of the other writers episodes with only the odd exception.

Writers who wrote under RTD did far better work under Moffat, I would take Power of Three over 42 any day of the week, the Rebel Flesh over Fear Her, and my word would I ever take 'The Girl Who Waited' over 'Rise of the Cybermen', not to mention 'The Lodger' over 'The Unicorn and the Wasp'.
So, not only have the showrunner episodes improved, but so have other writers under his direction.

Incidentally, when insulting someones intelligence (the Bells of St John, as an aside, was a fantastic episode, and anti grav motorbike is more reminiscent of the Pertwee era than the awful extremes of the RTD era) it might be advisable not to mis-spell 'dumb'.

Mark Gatiss wrote the Thomas Thomas line, not Moffat... Chris Chibnal wrote the Triceratops ride, not Moffat... and RTD wrote Tooth and Claw, not Moffat... finding it hard to listen to someone who has done some dire research...

regardless I'm trying to respect your opinion...but you say we've had terrible episodes like:

'wedding of river song, dinosaurs on a spaceship, the power of three, bells of st john, rings of akhaten, cold war and the crimson horror' - (and honestly, apart from TWORS, I disagree with all of these)

and use that as an excuse, yet you conveniently fail to mention the countless awful series 1-4 stories like:

'Aliens of London, World War Three, The Long Game, New Earth, School Reunion, The Idiots Lantern, Love and Monsters (fair enough you mentioned that one at least :D), Fear Her, The Runaway Bride, Daleks in Manhattan, Evolution of the Daleks, Last of the Time Lords, Voyage of the Damned, Partners in Crime, The Doctors Daughter, Journeys End, The Next Doctor, Planet of the Dead, .The End of Time Part 1 and The End of Time Part 2'

RTDs ers was far more inconsistant in its storytelling than Moffats. In the space of three episodes we get masterpeices like 'The Satan Pit' and 'The Waters of Mars' to awful poorly scripted tripe like 'Fear Her' or 'Planet of the Dead' and 'The Next Doctor'

But hey thats your opinion! Lets hope you enjoy the 50th and keep watching, if not then go back to watching RTD box sets and wait for a new show runner....but next time do your research or else people won't listen!

I agree that such headlines are disgraceful. But some points are worth considering. I don't think all, indeed, not even a significant number of the comments are about the 'childishness' of Moffat but I agree that the farting aliens etc. fall into that category. But consider now that there is now a flood of articles defending the present run, which I think is probably indicative of how divisive the show now is. I am one of those who is very disappointed with the present run and the plots (when there are such things) are sometimes pointlessly complicated but, more importantly, are lacking coherence. RTD's plots sometimes had they but had a brio that smoothed papered over the cracks. Many of the unhappy viewers pay a great deal of attention to the show and watch things that are 'mildly intelligent'.

Fair enough :) I can understand where you are coming from.

I would say that my passionate response to the hatred Moffat and has been getting is because the branding of series 7.2 as being 'the worst series ever' is complete exaggeration. I'm loving it, everyone I know personally loves it, and yet on the internet everyone hates it so much. I just feel like I have to stick up for it.

If the masses really think that this run of episodes is worse than the 2009 specials ('The Waters of Mars' was fantastic, but everything else was awful that year - yes including the vastly overrated, over pretentious and overacted ' The End of Time Part 1 & 2') then I don't know what to think.

But I still love the RTD era. I just much prefer Moffat's. I know people who prefer RTD and thats fine. I just don't like it when people troll internet articles insisting that 'the show is crap now, Matt is a bad actor and David is the one true doctor. Bring back RTD and David and Billie'.

mmm tricky.One needs of course to remember that different people get different things out of it and the show is constantly changing. However, my own reaction to this run is that it is worse than the specials and indeed gives McCoy's first batch a run of its money. I don't want it to be and I don't enjoy it the fact. One reason I find the specials preferable is that you get a sense of the characters as real characters rather than the rushed-cypher feel of there being actors with standing with labels in the 7b (though evidently there are exceptions). I think Clara is an extreme version of Moffat's take on a companion as some kind of mystery rather than the person through whom one could identify and negotiate the person should be the real mystery (namely the doctor). I dislike that intensely. I did like the Crimson Horror and Hide, however. It is interesting to note that my non-geeky friends, whenever I bring the programme up, consistently report dislike of, or boredom with, the present run. I think that this a shame. I like the fact that the programme can sometimes appeal to all sorts. But it is nice to disagree with someone who is at least sensitive to the other side!

Oh, and evidently DT is not the only one true Doctor (that was Troughton! :-))

"Can you think of any good reason why UNIT, a largely covert operation, would even want a vehicle of that nature even if somehow they had acquired the technology to do so?"

Have you worked with any army? Most of their (not so secret) project are dangerous and plainly stupid. Do you know that most of them have viruses they intend to use in war even if you can't control virus (eg. SRAS).

Any episode from the RTD era is better than "Let"s kill Hittler" and his River Song who became good - and save the Doctor by sacrificing her own future - in less than 5 minutes on screen (after allegedly being brainwashed for her whole life), the Silence completely unable to do anything truly dangerous without humans (and they are not Moffat creation since he copied the Gentlemen from Buffy), most of the Angels after Blink (because Angel/Liberty was funny but let's face it, it's more than a bit stupid when it didn't attack the Ponds on the roof)...

ahaha Troughton really is an excellent (and underrated in my tastes) doctor!

I totally understand what you mean about Clara. She is under developed and is a bit of a Mary Sue at this point. But again, I am 100% convinced that this is intentional

In the prequel for the finale, the doctor notes that Clara is "Perfect. Too perfect" I think that they are making something of her lack of personality.

Also, I recently watched an interview with Jenna Louise, where she mentioned that because of whatever happens in the finale tonight, Clara and the doctor have a stronger relationship - because he's solved her mystery, and she now knows his greatest secret, they can just get along as friends.
I'm fairly sure that the 50th and series 8 will give us some much needed Clara development, maybe even meeting her dad would be nice!

Im shocked that people would claim the new run is childish. Maybe its the broadcast time but let me tell you watch doctor who after a night out at 4 in the morning and its actually quite dark. The journey to the centre of the tardis especially so, as well as hide. Stephan moffat is a brilliant writter, see sherlock for further evidence, but I will say maybe sometimes his eyes are a bit too big for his talent. He poses great questions and ideas but rarely gives them a satisfying end. Then again with an imagination that wild and all off space and time as your creative playground it's a bit hard to confine yourself to 45 minutes. Also moffats era is stunning, visually.

Well, at the Battle of Trenzalore we will see the fall of the 11th, yet we all know MS isn't leaving, any time soon. Whether that's a good or bad thing, is, of course, all down to personal tastes. I will confess, by the end of last years run, I couldn't wait to see the back of him, however, I have been really impressed by him this year, so, we'll leave that open to debate. What I will say, is this: For the past three to four years, we have had this Trenzalore moment built up, the fall of the 11th, the Doctor's name. The BBC are going nuts, getting the actors and actresses to spit out how "epic" it's all going to be, but if nothing, I have found Steven Moffat's series endings to be severely underwhelming. He is a victim of his own hype. And since we all know the 11th isn't going to fall at Trenzalore (he will be joining DT in the 50th special) I am going to go out on a limb, right now, and say this "epic" conclusion, will be all style over substance. We have been led on for years about "The Doctor's name", a thing most people don't actually want to know, as once you find out who Who is, there's no point in watching any more. All the mystery is removed. I read rumours that Moff is going out of his way to finish off Dr Who, once and for all, it's an expenditure the BBC don't need in this current economic climate. Despite how impressed I have been with the series run, this year, even though I have only watched two episodes, more than once, last weeks and the IW episode, I remain cynical of what Moff will attempt to do. He is trying to change the face of Who, forever, attempting to leave his own, overhyped mark upon this bastion of TV Sci-Fi, instead of just adding to it, as most writers would, he wants to bang out these enormous, yet underwhelming "game changing" episodes. We don't need that, what we need is decent plotting strong stories, memorable dialogue, good villains (Moff's villains are also overhyped, he just takes a random everyday household item and thinks, let's do that, this week,most of whom, he as stolen from shows like Buffy)

So, I won't believe the hype, not until I have see the proof in the pudding, so to speak. Can Moff change my opinion of his crappy writing? I doubt it, very much, but stranger things have happened in the Whoniverse.

TardinSexy should have stuck around "odd fellow, stalker?" bless her, she might have found I agreed with her, this season, or maybe not, seeing as how it wasn't written by Moff, I doubt she would have liked it, tbh, am I right, fangirl?

So this person shouldn't watch because he or she as had to lower their expectations that much, since Moff took over?

Look, if moff was a more competent writer, we wouldn't need to lower our expectations.

PS, Joss Whedon is suing Moff for stealing all his ideas.

I beg to differ.

Yes, because Curly Sue married the Dr, after it turned out CS was in fact, the Pond's time child, which the Dr raised in the Tardis.....

Dr Who series 5-7

Curley Sue in Space!

I hope we won't see any more of that nonsense, in this game changer. Will Clara turn out to be the Dr's own mum, marrying him and propagating to ensure the TL species survives?

Only in Moffs, sick head. Oh dear, he can put whatever he wants in Who, he is showrunner, prepare for the minds of your children to be warped beyond anything we have see, thus far, Lesbian Lizards using tongue innuendos, the gay agenda rammed down our throats, etc....................

I prefer them in non Moff scripts. They hardly even crack a sly sexual innuendo, But tonight, I'm sure we will see a fine return to Moff form.

No, Pmount is quite right, It's what I've been saying since Moff took over but apparently though, you let your prejudices against people. who know a good thing from bad, blind you.

Watch out for Tardinsexy, if you can't see the moff for the uber genius he is, she will get all angry and show her true prejudices against the lower classes, men, races, you name it.

She means me.


The truth is, she can't stand the fact I am right, and that her beloved Moff is no more than a hack who stole all his ideas from Joss Whedon.

Or she accuses you of being a stalker


Hello Sweety.

So disagreeing with your pro Moff bias makes me a stalker does it? Oh dear.

How ar you enjoying the Curley Sue show this year? I bet your are all over hyped for this episode.

It was me:) She can't handle the debate. She says I'm odd, yet she is the one who thinks Miff's "marrying his own daughter" plotlines are the bees knees. She thinks the twisted mind of Moff, is normal. So I ask you, who is the odder of us?

No it's not. Censorship on free speech is never a good thing, just ask Orwell.

I agree RTD's characters were relatable and you could feel for them, Moffs characters are just a generic cookie clutter paper thin lot. All his female characters are clones of each other. He just can't write women.

As will Trenzalore, you'll see.

Written by Moff? Bet Clara turns out to be the Doctor's sister, who he marries and they have TL kids.

The resolution of the episode will be some wandey wavey with the sonicy and the Dr will talk like a telletubbie.

Classic Who was far more mature than current Who, my old enemy:)

Oh, I agree with you 150%!!!

Oh my goodness gracious me, you are an odd one, aren't you?

Have you watched RTD's run? If Moff is ramming the gay agenda down our throats, then RTD is literally bashing us in the head with it. And, if there was a lesbian tongue innuendo (which I cannot recall for the life of me), it went over my head, so I wouldn't worry about the children. I also find it funny how you blame Moffat for making Clara his mum... When that has yet to be confirmed.

I expect DT and Rose will be appearing at the end.

And it will all turn out that this entire gen of the Dr was no more than a DT nightmare after being bopped on the head in Silence In The Library. Completely negating all the Moff nonsense, and terrible acting, until this year, of MS. Then MS will bow out after the 50th and DT will be back in the lead role.

One can hope.

Oh dear lord enough with the trolling! One look at your comment history and its clear that your account only exists to spread hate and force your opinions down peoples throats again and again.

As for my view on your comments. David was an OK doctor, but he was far too human. The show felt like it was about a 35 year old human man who had a time machine. Matt on the other hand embodies this mad alien 1000 year old man extremley well.

Tennant is vastly overrated. Its funny you constantly talk of Moffat ruining who, and yet If the BBC made the decision to put Tennant back in the lead role it would be an insult to the shows history, an insult to the fans intelligence,an insult to Matt Smith - who has been the best doctor since Pertwee in my opinion - and it would ruin the show. Tennant is gone, he has been gone for five years. get over it.

The Name of the Doctor? Dave. Hey, it's as good anything we'll hear. Or not hear.

You really are the Anti-Moff incarnate, aren't you?
I actually see RTD as a bit of a British Joss Whedon, in so much as he is considered sacred, and those who dare to speak negatively of him are likely to be stabbed. It's a shame he's not returning with DT and BP for the 50th special, as he could have written us another drawn-out, tearful separation after blowing up a trillion daleks by pressing a button.

John Hurt is the Valeyard

Just watched it, can anyone explain the ending!? Who is this new guy.

It's the 12th Doctor. John Hurt is the 12th freaking Doctor!! Overall though, that was quite disappointing. I was expecting at least an ending.

Didn't think much of the episode. Clara's explanation was good, but nothing was revealed about the doctor - except (spoilers).........he was evil before he became good and was played by John Hurt when he was evil. Which, in my opinion, wasn't worth the hype

I god, I really want DoG to release the spoilerific review so that I can correct you! D:

Have you ever seen buffy? The gentlemen wore suits and the silence wore suits. That is the only similarity. Or do you think slender man was also copied off buffy cos he has a suit on?

The silence couldn't be remembered. The gentlemen stole people's voices so when they chop out their hearts no one can hear them scream. Seriously? Where is the similarity? Or are you moaning cos you can moan?

But the liberty angel was stupid. The angels were terrifying cos they were so quick and everywhere. (and I really doubt at any time the liberty statue wouldn't have had someone staring at it so how could it move?)

im enjoyed this ep

im pretty sure this dosent qualify as a spoiler but becuase im paranoid possible spoilers

i like how clara ends up not having to be the centre of the universe and the key to everything that ever was

the modern series has been fruaght with that ridiculous sort of carry on

If Paul is a troll, katietardis, you are one as well!

Matt Smith isn't bad but certainly isn't on Pertwee's level (or Hartnell, Baker, Eccleston, Tennant....)

Even my little cousins (12 and 7) dislike him because he is "too chidish" in their eyes.

So who do you think John Hurt is?

Not a twelfth Doctor as such, but a past incarnation - A ninth Doctor, pre-Ecclestone. I think it's also a fantastic way to fill in the huge blank left in the 20 or so years between the Classic series and the Modern re-launch. Might also go some way to explaining why CE's Doctor had never seen his reflection in a mirror before
"Could have been worse, but look at the ears"

Or it could be another person but still him. 'I said he was me, I didn't say he was the Doctor'.

There was a whole pile of new baggage added to the Doctor's back story between the end of McCoy and the start of the new series. Plus, the Doctor is unpredictable and always changing as he's regenerating. Besides, you want to hope he's a bit better than us non-Gallifreyans. Although he could be far more dark.

Anything's possible. Nothing is off the table.

She doesn't..?

Yes, as well as huge viewing figures, fantastic cliff hangers, plots that actually made sense, and clear and satisfying arc resolutions..

I think the Doctor's name will end up being what River Song has always called him - Sweetie!

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