Doctor Who: Jenna-Louise Coleman definitely in series 8

News Louisa Mellor 13 Mar 2013 - 06:14

The Doctor's new companion, Jenna-Louise Coleman, confirmed this week that she'll definitely be around for series 8...

During a chat with Radio 5 Live's Richard Bacon earlier this week, Jenna-Louise Coleman confirmed a couple of things of interest to Doctor Who viewers. The first? She'll definitely be back for series eight, and the second, that after the 50th anniversary episode is in the can, there's to be a filming break over the summer while Matt Smith shoots his role in Ryan Gosling's directorial debut, How to Catch a Monster. The Who team will be back in operation this September, presumably for the 2013 Christmas Special, before commencing with series eight.

During the interview, Bacon asked Coleman, "I guess you don't know how long you're going to be in the show. You're in for this year, do you know if you'll be in season eight yet?" to which came the reply, "Er, I think I can say that. Marcus? Yeah, I think I can say that I will be in season eight", followed by producer Marcus Wilson confirming, "Yes. We'd love to keep Jenna as long as we can".

Professionals that they are, neither Coleman nor Wilson would be drawn on what is now a rapidly ageing chestnut in Who interviews, how many of the former Doctors can we expect to see in the 50th anniversary special. "I couldn't possibly comment" was Wilson's Francis Urquhart-channelling response, while Coleman spoke of her new powers of evasion, "You just basically don't tell anybody anything. It's a new skill I've acquired in interviews of basically talking a lot without saying anything". 

You can listen to the fifteen minute interview in full below courtesy of Doctor Who TV (but be prepared to hear a disrepectful word or two about the Sixth Doctor from Bacon should you choose to).

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The summer break is very telling. How are the DW team planning 'to take over television for the anniversary' if no one is around to film anything?! Looks like it's just the special and the documentary after all...

Hasn't there been previous reports that the 50th Anniversary special begins shooting in April and would go into May? They would then break from June to August, and film Xmas 2013 & Series 8 from September.

It appears to me as though the BBC are simply looking for as many ways as physically possible to annoy Doctor Who fans at the moment. Which seems to be a really stupid move on their behalf as we are the ones who are loyal to the show.

I told you. I knew it. Stitched up and B S of the highest order. The BBC should be shot. But do you know what..I dont care any more. Sod the lot of them. I am so disconnected from the new show now I could not really care less.

The most hateful and annoying part is, this was set in stone at least a year plus ago but no one would admit it. It was obvious to anyone following the filming and schedule of what was before the cameras and when and what the actors were doing.

So we will just have to enjoy the docudrama and all the fans on here moaning at me to be thankful for what we are getting will have to practise what they preach.

Its just disgusting in the 50th year that this happens, and I am coming down on to the side of the people that blame Moffat for writers block / late scripts / filming problems / hoarding all the work and not letting another person help etc etc, because all the evidence now points to exactly that.

He should either pass Doctor Who on to someone else, or pass Sherlock on to someone else.

Its sad and terrible, because its alienating me from the show and from Moffat and I was a big fan. Doctor Who will be back in a couple of weeks and gone almost as quickly again.

Thanks a lot, BBC.

Clara! Clara! Clara! Clara! *chant, chant, chant*

It's all a bit weird. Either it's a clever ruse to fool us. Or it really is a 60 min special and a Christmas special then another long wait for series 8. It's hard to imagine an American show faffing around like this. We really should have seen the second half series seven months ago and be now waiting for the new 13-14 part series in September.

I am sure Moff will not just do a one hour special...

I will put money on it that all we get is the 60 minute special. And everything else will either be repeats of classic stuff, a documentary, and stuff thats not on TV at all like books, re releases of DvDs, Audio etc. We will know for sure despite what they may say, in about another month, once the filming is finished.

I am keeping an eye on the fan reports from the filming on other web pages and you can use that to judge how much we will get.

All the evidence points to the fact that its just a sixty minute story. So much for Moffats quote of dont believe its only the one 60 minute special.

Everything you say is right...there is no way an American show would get messed about with to this extent. There is something going on / wrong behind the scenes that no one is talking about. We might find out in five or six years from now when someone else has taken over. Thats if there is a show left after this massive cock up.....

Well, YEAH, considering that otherwise she would only be the companion for half of a season/series.

Of course, the article is actually burying the lede, i.e., the actual revelations, if you will, from the interview.

That' all we're getting for the 50th anniversary of this great show is the second half of last year's series plus a special, the TV movie on the founding of the show, and the usual Christmas special.

As celebrations go, this is starting to look like the "big" Bond anniversary bit at the dreadful Oscars.

Doctor Who: Jenna-Louise Coleman definitely in series 8

And let's hope she doesn't keep dying at the end of every episode. That was presumably why they were withholding confirmation of her continued presence on the show. I am already tired of the death bed antics.

I love this sense of entitlement that so many DW fans seem to have these days. Yes, it is a bit disappointing that there won't be a whole new series of Who this autumn. But we will be getting (including the 50th and Xmas specials) 10 brand new episodes of DW during 2013, and possibly 14 more in 2014. It's not as if we're being starved of it.

And there is no real entitlement anyway - we will have had, by the end of the year, over 100 full-length episodes within 9 years, which is frankly amazing, considering it's more than 100 more than we had in the preceding 9 years. And they have been more than an adequate celebration of the show's history anyway, so the 50th special - AND the docudrama - really should be the icing on the cake.

Relax. Look forward to 30th March and the next SEVEN weeks. And 23rd November. And Christmas Day (probably). And series 8...

I wish she was sexier, you know what why can't the doctor have a sexy female alien companion instead of the archetypical human female.

We don't know that she's human, she's certainly not the archetypal companion.

We are loyal to the show... But we make up a relatively small percentage of the overall viewers. The majority of regular viewers are casual fans. If we lose them, we lose the show! Fortunately, unlike us, they don't spend their lives awaiting their next fix and so are not worried about how many episodes there will be this year. A lot of them probably don't even know it's the fiftieth anniversary!

Yes..Totally true and right, but remember everyone. We are all such poor beggars that we are so very very VERY lucky that the high and mighty BBC make Doctor Who at all. We are so lucky, we should all be humble and be grateful that we are getting anything, even a static picture of a Dalek flashed on screen once a year would be enough for me. It does not even have to be a new season Dalek, any old one from the 60s or 70s would do as I understand that the BBC needs to cut costs.

I mean its not like we have to pay for it in order to watch it when its on is it? We should all be so pleased that the BBC can afford to make other stuff like Shetland and Eastenders and Jason and the Argonaughts, so we dont really need Doctor Who to be made at all. After all its been on since 2005. Do we really need it anymore? Its so hard for them to make twelve episodes a year now that RTD has left. The mighty Moffat would rather be doing Sherlock anyway. He has not got the time to bother with something as pointless and a massive waste of money as Doctor Who. After all its not like it sells or anything..its not that popular, no one in America wants to see it, and the merchandise and disks and toys dont make a lot of money they hardly sell any at all.

They should just stop doing it, and let everyone buy and rebuy the DvDs every two years. After all as computer technology improves, they can go back and clean them up and remaster the existing episodes again, and sell them back to the fans as a special gift to them. After all, only nutters want to watch Doctor Who, only nerds, and Geeks and Who fans and people with brains and imagination. No normal people, they all watch nice happy programs that promote harmony and love like Eastenders.

Because the BBC is so busy making other quality shows it forgot it was the Doctor Who 50th anniversery, despite having known about it for the last fifty years.

So in 2014 the final new season of three 3D episodes of Doctor Who will be supplemented by the entire first season of William Hartnells Doctor, released into the shops on Blu Ray for the first time as a gift to the fans. Digitally improved for picture quality, every stray grey hair of Williams wig has been tweaked and adjusted to ensure perfect lighting.

Each episode has a new remixed theme tune by Simon Cowells music company and with vocal ooooohh eeeee oooohs sung by the winner of the Voice 2013. The BBC has spared no expense on these new Blu Ray rips and actually traveled back in time to 1963 with special new HD cameras to ensure that every single detail that was never able to be recorded originaly because the cameras of the time were not HD capable, has now been captured for the first time ever in pinsharp black and white High Definition!

Each Bluray will come with hours of new extras and interviews that have never been seen since the last DvD release. Each story will be in a special Tardis shaped Bluray case, in special black and white shades of grey. When all the disks are collected and stood end to end, they form a picture of William Hartnell as the Doctor! Each story will be available at the special price of only £59.99 !!!!

In case any of you are wondering, this is a JOKE. Its not real. I hope I made some of you smile as much as I laughed when writing this. However I would not put it past the BBC to do something like this the way things are going. I did not mean or intend to offend any one and it is the highlight of my sad and lonely life coming in here to exchange comments with all of you. Peace.

I'm with you. Ten episodes this year is more then an awful lot of series get in a year. Especially a show which has been running for eight consecutive years. I do wish, however, that the BBC would just tell us what is going on without the deception. I mean, originally series six was to be split into two so that the kids never have a long wait before the next "series". Then, we have the longest wait before series seven (which is still to finish). Another reason was so that we had Doctor Who in the winter months. Now it started again in the spring. I don't mind waiting for my Doctor Who. I don't even mind getting a few episodes less in a year. I would, however, just like to know what is going on.

However, it isn't just Doctor Who. Top Gear, which is another flagship show of the BBC which is sold all around the world had no series last year. They filmed a Christmas special which they then held back for the series that just finished a week ago. This meant they only had to spend money on five new shows and split the Christmas special into two to bump the series up to seven episodes.

I actually think all this is a sign that all is not well at the BBC irrespective of how things are in the Doctor Who office.

But you are right. 100 episodes in 9 years is not to be sniffed at!

I think the "sense of entitlement" is actually a realization that the fans have been conned.

After all, this year's Who was supposed to be last year. With the exception of the 50th anniversary special and the docudrama and the usual Christmas special.

Well, there's not that much Sherlock, either.

Let's see, there were three Sherlocks in the summer of 2010. And three Sherlocks in January 2012.

And another three coming at the end of this year or in January 2014. And who knows what after that?

That's nine Sherlocks in four years.

Now, those are really TV movies rather than episodes of a show, but still ... Not a full-time gig.

>Its so hard for them to make twelve episodes a year now that RTD has left. The mighty Moffat would rather be doing Sherlock anyway. He has not got the time to bother with something as pointless and a massive waste of money as Doctor Who. They should just stop doing it, and let everyone buy and rebuy the DvDs every two years. After all as computer technology improves, they can go back and clean them up and remaster the existing episodes again, and sell them back to the fans as a special gift to them.January

... And Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman aren't really available for much more than that, so this is what Sherlock is.

Plenty of mental bandwidth available for Doctor Who, I would think.

You know whats weird in all of this? When RTD was in charge, we had Doctor Who at 13 episodes a year, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Torchwood and Doctor Who confidential, as well as Totally Doctor Who.

Leaving the last two out as they are documentaries, he managed to front run / help / oversee / produce / write or guide all of those at more or less the same time, along with help from others. Torchwood had how many episodes? 8 or 12 or what I cant remember..the first two seasons when it was made here. Then Sarah Jane had ten 25 min episodes too. He produced it when Doctor Who was on.

Now we have Moffat all he can manage is 6 - 8 a year and 3 episodes of Sherlock. If they are 1.5 hours long thats still only 5.5 hours on top of 6 - 8 for Who. Its a bit pathetic really.....

Now I know people will jump in and say RTDs stuff got repetitive and stale, and I agree it did. But at least the show was on, and the other people who wrote for it put in lots of good episodes too and the whole thing was very high profile.

Compare that to what Moffats doing..its a bit strange. I would just love to know whats going on , one way or another. And the sad thing is thats becoming a massive shadow over the show and I am thinking about that more than whats going to be on / in Doctor Who. It cant be good for it in general as I am not going to be the only one.

You would think so..but Shetland, Wastenders, The Voice, Strictly Come Prancing, Merlin, Jason, Flog it, Bargain Hunt, Holby, Casualty are now more important to the BBC.

When they were all going at once in the RTD era, there was ...

13 episodes a year of Doctor Who, plus the Christmas special

13 episodes a year of Torchwood

6 episodes a year of Sarah Jane Adventures

That's 33 hours a year of programming in the Whovian universe.

Now, it wasn't all fabulous. I struggled through the two regular seasons of Torchwood, entertained but frustrated, till the great Children of Earth mini-series. Which was another five hours.

Sarah Jane was a cute show, but too kidsy for me. But it was nice to know it was there.

Doctor Who itself could be hit or miss. But even the episodes I didn't love were entertaining and fun.

Well, as an American I'm thankfully not too aware of all that.

But I can tell you that as international brand, Doctor Who is the top, by far. Putting Top Gear, which I finally got tired of, in a different infotainment category.

The biggest difference is the economic downturn. During RTD's era the BBC at more money. I suspect they are struggling. That's why they axed Confidential. Now, I know what you're going to say. Doctor Who is one of the BBC's biggest earners. They should put it back into the show. I have a certain sympathy with that view but like I have said elsewhere the merchandise would probably sell in the same numbers if there were only 6 episodes a year. As for DVD's, now they have nearly finished releasing all the classic series and are now selling "Special Editions" I would hazard a guess the sales have dropped dramatically. Also, they have to cater for the millions of non-Doctor Who fans.

As for us hardcore fans. We are loyal. They know we are loyal and will watch no matter how many episodes they put out. They have us. That is the definition of being "loyal". I don't think it has anything to do with Moffat "struggling". This situation would be happening no matter who was show runner. I mean, if the BBC aren't struggling financially why are selling their BBC house in London? Also, don't forget that they wanted to increase our license fee but was prevented from doing so by the government.

We are in the middle of an economic downturn and Doctor Who is one of, if not the, most expensive show they make. Is it really any wonder they are cutting down the number of episodes per year? Is it a coincidence? I think not. I also think we have to accept that it could be a long time till we get 14 episodes a year again. If we ever do at all.

Yup, all those things (except Merlin which has been axed) are more important in some ways. Cheap to make and popular. It's an unfortunate truth. Once again, it's the economy. We really should count ourselves lucky to be getting ten episodes this year.

I tend to feel a bit of entitlement because I pay a licence fee and it's the most popular show. Lol. I wouldn't mind but it's not that hard or impossible to do. I wouldn't say I am raging, rather piqued, but I am getting worried that all is not quite right in the land of who. Looking forward to being proved wrong.

Well, you don't really know that.

>I don't think it has anything to do with Moffat "struggling".

You want to keep more casual audience awareness of and identification with a show high?

Produce and run the show.

I've seen plenty of shows stagnate and ultimately lose audience as a result of being seldom aired and jerked around the schedule.

You want to sell merchandise?

Have your product on the air. The best advertisement for merchandise is the presence of the programming itself.

"Please, sir, may I have another."

I know they were prevented from putting up the fee. I wonder what it would be now if they had not been stopped £200 a year? They are selling the BBC Tv Center because the idiots in charge have decided that more of the output needs to be "outside London" to make other regions feel more "included" in the BBCs productions. As if that ever mattered in the grand scheme of things, as long as the tv they made was good.

So they are binning a classic Icon of TV for politically correct reasons. Using our money to do so. I am sure the center may need some restoration work, but not as much as it cost for a new set of studios and buildings, all the money is going into moving stuff to Manchester and more across to Cardiff.

And there is and was no real need to do it. Can you imagine how much it has cost them to dig up the Blue Peter Garden and more the whole thing to a plot in Manchester? Its just mental. Another part of it is because as technology has improved, they have decided they need less studio space now, because cameras are smaller and they can film outside easily and not like in the good old days of classic Who, when things were filmed almost like it was a play.

Then the berks in charge that decided this was a good idea found they could not sell on a television center, because it is not much good for anything else other than being a tv center!!!! So part of it is to become a museum, and part of it is still going to be used by the BBC studios to film stuff in!!! So the whole thing has been a massive waste of money and time. In a downturn when they are told to freeze the fee, they still decided to go ahead with a pointless move, paying staff to relocate and so on. Honestly, you could not make it up.

Think of all the classic memories that will be gone forever. The Tom Baker publicity stills, with him climbing barriers outside in the car park and Daleks chasing him over walls. Elizabeth Sladens first publicity shots sitting on that bollard in those short shorts...Noel Edmonds walking in the doors to do Swapshop...Kenny Everett larking about outside...the Goodies...hundreds and hundreds of classic shows and history, changed and lost. The new building in Manchester is horrible, soul less and cold. No doubt it will eventually become a star in its own right to a new generation of people, but for me, the BBC is that round building in London. It had a 60s cosy charm that made you feel safe, warm and loved, and you used to know whatever it produced would be quality and good entertainment.

Yes Doctor Who is top....You can say to someone in the street here in the UK ....anyone at can say DALEK and they know what it is instantly...same with TARDIS and so on.

Now try that with a character from Holby, or Casualty or Spooks etc and a lot might know, but a lot wont.

But everyone knows and loves Doctor Who and we want it on for as long as possible with 13 episodes a year. So can all of you wonderful American fans please write or email the BBC and ask them WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE PLAYING AT??????????

Many thanks and God Bless America! Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.....

And no I am not being funny I mean it.

Yes they were and almost makes me miss RTD. And I never thought I would say that ever...

Heheh I was being an idiot and it was meant to be taken in the style of a comedy sketch, or something that Charlie Brooker would write...I sometimes think that he and I were separated at birth....

Thanks, I got it. :)

Some of his stuff didn't really make any sense, but it had a great spirit about it.

Well, Doctor Who is really boosting BBC America, and the show even made the cover of Entertainment Weekly.

With continued momentum, it can keep expanding its appeal here. But cutting one rather short season into two years isn't doing much for that, and I can already tell that awareness has faded some.

Though the Christmas special does help. That's a great new institution.

That's the thing... Doctor Who is still on air. Whether it be five episodes or thirteen it still gets the viewers and will sell the merchandise. Whilst episodes average 7 million or thereabouts the merchandise will sell!
Listen, don't get me wrong, I would prefer to have fourteen episodes a year and like I said above, I wish that the BBC would just tell us what the hell is going on. However, I don't see it spelling the end of Doctor Who. It's viewing figures are strong. Since 2005 we have had Doctor Who on our screens every single year. This is the ninth year in production (which few series manage, let alone one with 26 previous series behind it) and there have only been two years with less then ten episodes. Last year we had six which is the standard number of episodes for most series and this year we are getting ten! It is hardly dying a death, is it?

We went 16 years with only one episode within that time. Why do we need to be so greedy. The show is in a very good place, budgets have to be cut and the BBC need to cater for all the taxpayers, not just us Doctor Who fans. And ultimately, why get in such a huff about it? There is nothing you or I can do to change things. Be grateful that it is on our screens and enjoy the episodes when they come on. We have 8 weeks of it starting at the end of the month. I suggest we enjoy them... I know I will!

It is barely on the air.

By on the air, I don't mean five or six times in a year, with a Christmas special.

It's really only the hard core fans who remember it. The casual viewer needs more repetition.

In America, if a show is on the air only five or six times in a year, with the scheduling being jerked around, that show is in extremely deep trouble.

It certainly is not being given the opportunity to grow an audience. Average viewers forget.

And speaking of growing an audience, one thing I don't like about the Moff era is how convoluted the plotting has gotten and how unsatisfying the explanations are.

I love Doctor Who, and have seen all the episodes of new Who at least once, and in some cases, er, quite a few times. But it occurs to me that I can't explain all the plotting of late. Perhaps because I got the sense I was being jerked around and decided to ignore a lot of the particulars and simply enjoy the show.

Matt Smith really is terrific in the role. (I didn't think that Tennant could be bested, but Smith may just have done it.) If the Doctor were played by a less compelling figure, I might be quite annoyed by the show.

In America, it is the norm to have thirteen episodes of a series in a year (and that has dropped, a series in America used to be in excess of 20 episodes per year). In the UK it is very unusual. Doctor Who did it first (to my knowledge), followed by Robin Hood and Merlin both of which were trying to emulate Doctor Who in that they were fantasy like shows aimed at a family audience on a Saturday night. Both of which, unlike Doctor Who, have been axed (and they never dropped any episodes but are still gone now!).

Now you'll find in America that expensive shows have dropped to ten episode seasons such as Game of Thrones. This is BECAUSE it is a very expensive show to make. But it is extremely popular (and oozes quality). When shows struggle in the states is not when they have a low number of episodes. It is when the scheduling is mucked around with. It changes time slot, it changes days of the week it is shown. Occasionally it disappears for weeks on end mid season. This is not quite what happens with Doctor Who. Although the time of day it is transmitted is often mucked around with, this has been the case since 2005. But, barring the odd Eurovision Song Contest when the BBC say they are going to show x number of Doctor Who episodes in a year they do. And it is on concurrent Saturdays. As for Season 7. It has obviously been written to be two seasons in all but name. The first five to write out the Ponds. The Christmas special as a taste of the new "Season" and now the next eight to feature Clara as a proper companion. It has been worked out in such a way to stretch the budget of one season over two but effectively it is two seasons... Not one.

And despite what you may read in the press, viewing figures have remained remarkably consistent since 2005. And it is always being repeated on Watch and the BBC so it never really leaves the publics consciousness!

And I will say it again... We are getting ten episodes this year... Not six. The same number as Game of Thrones...

When viewing figures drop below 4 million. Then I'll worry. No sign of that so far...

All these false statements from you point up how important it must be to rationalize away the situation with Doctor Who.

In America, where I am, not incidentally, it is in fact the norm for TV shows to have more 20 episodes per season. A few specialty shows such as Mad Men, which I write about to great length, have 13 per season. Fewer still have less than that.

"Expensive" shows, i.e., broadcast network shows, generally have 22 to 24 episodes. Game of Thrones, which has 10 or more eps, is a cable show.

Don't pretend that Game of Thrones is a normal show in America. It is not.

So Doctor Who, which is airing the second half of last year's season in this, its 50th anniversary year, is NOWHERE NEAR getting what is normal exposure for even a run of the mill American TV series.

The fact that you have to add on the anniversary special, the anniversary docudrama, and the Christmas special to get Doctor Who to your totally false "American norm" of 10 episodes in this, its anniversary year, is very telling to anyone who is not wildly invested in attempting to rationalize the situation.

I already told you that Doctor Who is blowing the opportunity to grow its international audience, here in the US, and elsewhere, by having so little product.

You ignore that.

But you do tell me to ignore all the press reports of Doctor Who's declining audience in the UK. Maybe that's right, maybe it's not.

But there is no question that if you want to GROW an audience, you present the product.

I bow down to your knowledge regarding the number of episodes in an American television season. I was not putting Game of Thrones as an typical American show... Far from it, I think it is an extraordinary show. As is Doctor Who. I s'pose my error is that the only American shows I tend to collect are from cable. It seems a long time ago that I bought an American show which had more then twenty episodes so I thought it was still the case only for sitcoms and the like. That does not negate the fact that Doctor Who is probably the most expensive show the BBC produces. It is not funded by advertisements but by the license fee payers (as you know) and so they effectively split last years season into two. I think it is very unlikely that this decision, along with the axing of Confidential is not related to the economic crisis. Why is this so hard to believe. Not least because the BBC are trying to juggle four channels!

As far as I knew Doctor Who in America was about as popular as it has ever been. Look at the crowds that amassed to watch "Angels Take Manhatten" as we'll as season premieres that they never had. I am not in America so maybe I am wrong.

As for the ratings, I am not asking you to believe me. They are there for you to check out for yourself.

And apart from my errors regarding the number of episodes in a typical American season what are the other false statements from me? You implied that I was deliberately trying to mislead (which I wasn't). Oh, and the number of ten episodes did not include the docu-drama as one of the ten. Eight episodes this spring, the anniversary special and then the Christmas episode. They are all episodes, they all count and they make ten! Which is the same as that other extraordinary and expensive show to make... Game of Thrones!

Mad Men is a great show, by the way... Love it!!!

And it is absolutely true that in the UK the average episodes in a drama series is 6! Last year and 2009 were the only years Doctor Who has ever had less then ten episodes in a year. So, in comparison to most UK drama's it still has a lot more episodes!

If I had my way, you could have one every week of the year. Ahhh, if only seasons were the same length as the number in the shows first six years of life... Haha.

Actually, that is exactly what you were doing, pretending that Game of Thrones with its 10 episodes is normal for American television, rather than the 22 to 24 episodes that is standard for broadcast network television, then saying that Doctor Who is matching that ... in its 50th anniversary year.

And no, that's not just sitcoms. It's the norm for dramas as well.

Elementary, the US version of Sherlock Holmes (in New York!) has 24 episodes this season. And Elementary is just one of the many CBS drama shows which get that treatment, far from the most popular.

I already said that Doctor Who is breaking through in America, which is why the lack of product since is a real problem.

The UK ratings are interesting. Most reports are that they are down.

I understand the add-on viewings, but who is to say that's not enthusiasts taking another look?

Stereo rationalizations!

I know that wasn't an EXACT quote from Dickens ...

I wasn't "pretending" about Game of Thrones. I made a mistake regarding the number of your average episodes in an American season. I suspect though that the reason Game of Thrones is not thirteen episodes is because of the cost (although I could be wrong about that, too). I think my point with Game of Thrones is that although I would want more episodes then ten I am happy to accept ten. It is the same with Doctor Who. Ideally, I want an episode every week of the year! I love the show. What I don't get is the anger and frustration. Whatever way you look at it, we are only getting four episodes less this year then an average season. I know, I know, it's the anniversary year but by the end of this year my collection will have gone up by ten (television) episodes and there will be some other goodies thrown in. All this talk of being "conned" and "short changed", well, I just think it is probably harder to budget the whole of the BBC then you would imagine and for right or wrong they are using Doctor Who to save money. I'm not defending them... I just think moaning about it is not going to change anything.

I suggest we all relax and enjoy it.

As for the "Add Ons" for the ratings. I have heard this theory about enthusiasts rewatching the episode. I'm sure this happens but I suspect those enthusiasts do as I do and record it to ensure they have it. Surely they would want it when it comes down from iTunes. I still have "The Snowmen" on my hard drive. I suspect the majority who watch on replay are catching up. I could be wrong though.

Ultimately, maybe I am just an optimist, but I just think that some fans look for problems when there are none. Doctor Who seems to be safe as far as I can see, I don't see in getting cancelled anytime soon. I'm just enjoying the ride. Including these fine debates which are, ultimately, just a bit of fun and a way for us fans to communicate! I for one can't wait for 30th March. Nervous and excited! Bring it on!

Well, you were the one who kept bringing up Game of Thrones, not me.

You were the one who claimed the norm in the US is for 10-13 episode seasons, and then added up anniversary programming and the Christmas special for Doctor Who to get to the non-existent Game of Thrones level of normality.

That's simply all wrong.

And the fact is that you don't know why Doctor Who is having these problems. You want to think that it's a budgetary problem, but everything I've seen indicates that Doctor Who is in fact a cash cow for the BBC. It's an international cult hit.

Instead of making such a persistent effort trying to rationalize the situation away, why not demand real answers?

Are you not accepting my acknowledgment that I made a mistake? Normally it's the one who makes the mistake who doesn't want to accept it! Hahaha. Doctor Who absolutely is a cash cow for the BBC. The fact is that they don't put all that money back into Doctor Who. I don't think Doctor Who is having problems. Like I said above it is being used by the BBC to save money. It is because of its success that they feel they can do this. I am not defending them, I am just calling it as I see it. As are you which is fair enough and part of the fun. The BBC know that people will continue to watch it no matter how many episodes they show. The viewing figures show this. You said yourself that putting it on air is the best advertisement for merchandise. It would seem they think they don't need that advertisement... The merchandise is selling regardless. You say we should demand answers. The BBC are not going give them. For right or wrong they are not overly concerned by us hardcore fans. As long as the casual viewer keeps tuning in they will do whatever they want. So, we can either get all stressed about it and let it affect our enjoyment of the show. Or we accept it, safe in the knowledge that Doctor Who is in no immediate danger of being cancelled (as it is such a "cash cow" I suspect it is safe for years to come) and enjoy the most important part. The actual episodes themselves. I mean, have you written to the BBC demanding answers? How has that worked out for you? If you have I imagine you got a polite, automatic response back. I highly doubt they'll come out and say "Yup, Moffat is overworked and is unable to juggle Sherlock and Doctor Who... Would you like us to sack him?" It does no good worrying about it. If there are problems the show is bigger then them and there will be a new production team along eventually and any problems there are will make excellent reading in DWM in. A few years time. You see, it has all happened before and yet the show is still alive. It's fifty years old, for goodness sake. So, why worry? There. Is. Nothing. You. Can. Do. And moaning just makes you look grumpy and non-supportive of the show. I said it before... Why not just enjoy it? Doctor Who is going nowhere! It makes too much money!

I still got it! Haha.

Fabulous. You finally reject the initial premises for your position, but stick to the position nonetheless.

Now using things that are a matter of sheer conjecture to back it up.

The fact is, you don't know why Doctor Who has had such a big cutback of episodes, despite what Moff and BBC officials said would be happening.

Oh, and why is it wrong to add up the anniversary episode and the Christmas episodes? An episode is an episode is an episode!

How have I rejected my initial premise? The cutback, in my opinion is due to the economic crisis. Because of this they have reduced the number of episodes to save money! i never said that Doctor Who is in trouble. that is the whole basis of my argument... It is doing just fine! As for using things that are a matter of sheer conjecture to back it up how is that any different from you or anybody else who think it is because Moffat is struggling? Has there been a statement from the BBC stating this? We are all just guessing. That's what make these debates fun... But ultimately meaningless!

Good Lord. I was trying to give you some credit for intellectual honesty.

Your premise was that Doctor Who is just fine because it's right at the norm for American shows. Which is wildly wrong.

Did you?

I assume, incidentally, you have some very obscure reference to 48 years ago to try to show that Doctor Who is just fine today ...

Because those are "specials." In the anniversary year. In which much more was promised.

But in reality, much less is on offer than in most of the life of new Who.

I did (I am aware of Oliver Twist... Not that I'd compare Doctor Who to gruel!). I just was in no position to offer you more. As for the reference to 48 years ago I was just making a light hearted point that it'd be nice to have Doctor Who on for forty odd weeks a year like they did for its first couple of years. Was meant as a friendly aside. That's all.

Oh... Actually, I never really meant that. I was just making the point that it was unusual for a British show to have thirteen episodes in a series. I never meant to use that as an example of how well the show is or isn't doing. I can see how it came across that way. I was using it merely as a comparison... Not a barometer. and my whole point really is that I'm happy with ten episodes and that Doctor Who, on the whole, has more episodes then British drama series.

If you didn't mean it, don't trot it out for a false comparison.

Besides, you don't have 10 episodes. You have eight.

After a year in which you got five.

After a period in which you got 13 episodes.

I don't count specials as part of a season/series, and in the past of new Who, no one else did, either.

And certainly not in the 50th anniversary year, which was promised to be bigger and ends up being smaller.

I'm glad the show is on, too. But I'm not going along with endless rationalizations that all is well.

Doctor Who is a cash cow. Yet it's been cut back, despite many promises to the contrary.

Gordon Bennett, it's not a false comparison. In America, whether it be ten, thirteen, twenty-two or twenty-six episodes, seasons are much longer then a season in the UK which tend to be six episodes in length. The point I was making is that Doctor Who is (or was as the case may be) unusual to be thirteen episodes in length when it comes to a season and was followed up by Merlin and Robin Hood which followed a similar template. Maybe it is because I have a whole wall of Doctor Who stories that it really doesn't bother me too much if I have four episodes less this year (and I always counted the Christmas Special as an episode... because it is one or have you been thinking that there were normally only thirteen episodes a year?) so I am not crying and stamping my foot like a spoilt child who didn't get the expensive present his mummy promised him for his birthday. So, the BBC said there would be more Doctor Who then ever this year and they are giving us a few episodes less. It's not the first time they have done this. We were told that Seasons were going to be split up so that there was only ever two or three months wait between series. Then we had a longest wait since the shows return. It is annoying but it is not a sign that Doctor Who is in any trouble. Apart from the television movie in 1996 we went sixteen years with no Doctor Who at all. I am just grateful it is on our screens and will be for the foreseeable future. Do you agree that it is going to be on our screens for the next few years? If so, then it can hardly be in that much trouble, can it? If not, considering you yourself said that it is a "cash cow" where is your evidence that it is in danger of cancellation?

My last question to you is this: are you, at some point, going to be able to let your disappointment of the number of episodes go and enjoy what we do have or are you basically writing off this year because you haven't received what you were expecting? If the former, then I am just ahead of you. That's all. I am just looking forward to it already. If, it is the latter and you are just determined to be disgruntled for the rest of the year then I pity you for you are just doing yourself a disservice and are not going to have an enjoyable anniversary year. It's all about being positive and grateful for what we get. That's all I really have to say on the matter!

You made the comparison, not me, to justify what's happening with Doctor Who. But the comparison is wrong.

My betting is that the Doctor will regenerate but something will go wrong and Clara sacrifices herself (Dies again) to save him. In doing so his regeneration copies her body and personality. becoming the first female Doctor. Clara is smart, Quick witted and as mad as the Doctor and viewers will have excepted her after being the HOTTEST companion beforehand. and she is signed up for series 8 and Matt Smith says nothing about series 8 only the Christmas Special

I am a French

I wihed the new doctor would be sexy again and not be so old. I also think Klara is quite pretty and Amy war sometimes sexy. In Klara Oswalds first appearance she looked an lot better with the red dress and longer hair.

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