Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

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Posted by raybritton on Jul 5, 2008

Why did we not see Harriet Jones die? Was it us, or did the Dalek readjust its aim and shoot the screen? Is Harriet therefore working for the Daleks, and has managed to bring the Doctor and his assistants together? Actually this could be correct, as the first shot fired destroys the camera. Shame if it is.

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Posted by ratjam_tw on Jul 5, 2008

i rekon that with the creature thing on donna's back that this isn't really happening and that it will all flip to another world and donna has to do something like die to put itall right to maybe get rid of the bug thing. i also think that the hand has a big part in it not so sure about the ring as it doesnt look spacy enoughlike the doctor's fob watch it had tardis markingson it i couldnt see if donna's ring had anything on it. (picture too fuzzy on the screen) any way all will be reveiled tonight yay wat a long week it's been.

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Posted by SaikoBabble on Jul 4, 2008

There are some great ideas here. I only hope the final episode is half as satisfying. Clearly Donna Noble is a lynchpin in some way. I love the theories being aired here about this, but I also wonder about the following: Is Harriet Jones in league with the Daleks, or is she actually a double-agent pretending to? Many have pointed out that we didn't see her die and the Dalek re-aimed before shooting, and that she said ignorance of any human will be the Daleks' downfall. She also was against the use of the Osterhagen key. Davros said that everything was falling into place, suggesting that the Doctor's presence was part of his plan. It was Harriet J who provided the means to summon him by unifying the other companions - and getting them to give their positions away by transmitting their phone prayers (wish they hadn't re-hashed that idea). Was the theft of the Earth an elaborate trap to lure the Doctor, too? How come eveyone is such a fortune-teller? Dalek Caan, the woman in the Shadow Proclamation, the aliens in Pompei...Are these messages being sent by someone else? Osterhagen is an anagram of "A Three Song". Any link to River Song? Certainly to the "Three-fold man". The Osterhagen key was to be used as a last resort only if the Doctor didn't show up. UNIT worked with Pertwee's Doctor, so maybe they acquired it from him at that time. What will Donna's loss be? If it refers to her own death, isn't it and odd choice of words by the woman at the Shadow Proc : "I am sorry for your loss". It suggests that Donna will feel the loss of something rather than just die. Maybe she will lose her present, safe identity. Perhaps the Osterhagen key will play a part in transforming Donna. I think the "temp" references are not temp=time, but rather they are indicating that Donna's identity is temporary. The Shadow Proc womand says "You are something new" - ie newly created. What do we think the planetary mechanism is for? Is there any significance in there being 27 planets? three nines? Three neins = three German "no"s. German for nose is NASE, an anagram of SANE (ok calm down...breathe deeply...I got carried away there). These are beginning to look like clues from 3-2-1.

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Posted by aussieauthor on Jul 4, 2008

This entirely speculative fiction, not founded in anything but conjecture... So, the Daleks have moved planets, subjugated races and have been completely resurrected as real Kaled-descended Daleks, thanks to Davros' own cells. Despite the Time War 'being locked' they have achieved the impossible. But... There is a contingency for this horrendous possibility occurring. It was planned long ago, unbeknownst to the Doctor and now even forgotten by its own architects... The Copper Foundation (founded by Mr Copper from 'Voyage of the Damned') has developed the Osterhagen Key. But Mr Copper isn’t even certain why or what it is for. He “just had to do it”. With Davros’ insane scheme reaching fruition and no-one – not even the Doctor – able to stop the decent into absolute chaos someone has to take a desperate measure... the key is activated. When it is, it sends a signal through all of time and space, even into the void itself. The signal instantly reminds individuals across the stars of that old fob-watch each has forgotten they even own. This includes Mr Copper, Donna's grandad - even Donna herself - and thousands of millions more seemingly ordinary people and creatures. They all – millions of them – open their watches / rings / necklaces. The Time Lords are resurrected. They planned for this possibility. They take action to stop the Daleks. The signal has reached the void and their hidden ships burst into the universe. They obliterate the Daleks, scattering their remnants to the far corners of the universe. The Time Lords restore the 27 planets to their proper time and space. Gallifrey itself is resurrected. Even the Shadow Proxy marvel at the temporal engineering ability of the race from Gallifrey. The universe is at peace, restored to its pre-Time War glory, with Gallifrey overlooking the galaxies as it has for millennia. All is well. A clean slate. Enter Mr Moffat as show runner to explore this realm a-fresh in season five. Just an idea. (-:

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Posted by aussieauthor on Jul 4, 2008

This is not a spoiler, it is conjecture. (-: So, the Daleks have moved planets, subjugated races and have been completely resurrected as real Kaled-descended Daleks, thanks to Davros' own cells. Despite the Time War 'being locked' they have achieved the impossible. But... There is a contingency for this horrendous possibility occurring. It was planned long ago, unbeknownst to the Doctor and now even forgotten by its own architects... The Copper Foundation (founded by Mr Copper from 'Voyage of the Damned') has developed the Osterhagen Key. But Mr Copper isn’t even certain why or what it is for. He “just had to do it”. With Davros’ insane scheme reaching fruition and no-one – not even the Doctor – able to stop the decent into absolute chaos someone has to take a desperate measure... the key is activated. When it is, it sends a signal through all of time and space, even into the void itself. The signal instantly reminds individuals across the stars of that old fob-watch/ring/necklace each has forgotten they even own. This includes Mr Copper, Donna's grandad - even Donna herself - and thousands of millions more seemingly ordinary people and creatures. They all – millions of them – open their watches / rings / necklaces. The Time Lords are resurrected. They planned for this possibility. They take action to stop the Daleks. The signal has reached the void and their hidden ships burst into the universe. They obliterate the Daleks, scattering their remnants to the far corners of the universe. The Time Lords restore the 27 planets to their proper time and space. Gallifrey itself is resurrected. Even the Shadow Proxy marvel at the temporal engineering ability of the race from Gallifrey. The universe is at peace, restored to its pre-Time War glory, with Gallifrey overlooking the galaxies as it has for millennia. All is well. A clean slate. Enter Mr Moffat as show runner to explore this realm a-fresh in season five. Just an idea. (-:

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Posted by emilychap89 on Jul 3, 2008

Discrespective that sounds like a spoiler to me!!!!!

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Posted by emilychap89 on Jul 3, 2008

may i just note that when the dr met his supposed future partner she did not realise how young he was meaning he hadn’t regenerated to anther totally different body. surly if he did get a new body then she would realise he is allot younger then in her normal timeline. however how long will that be, david won’t be hanging around for ever enless they are just going forget ignore she ever existed

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Posted by weeolga on Jul 3, 2008

A few points: 1) David Tennant has already shot the Xmas 2008 special (pix all over the internet) and it would be silly for the BBC to try and establish a new actor with the three 2009 specials, which will be very distant in time from one another (I guess one at Easter, one in summer and the last one at Xmas 2009). However, nothing has been confirmed for 2010 so far. 2) Mad Dalek Caan mentions the Threefold Man and two former Doctors are seen on Doctor Who Confidential (Peter Davison and Silvester McCoy, the latter wearing his Doctor Who outfit). Could they all be appearing as the Threefold Man? 3) The earth has been placed in a small pocket of time one second out of synch with the other planets. Could that mean anything? 4) Donna keeps being told she's different, "something new" according to the Shadow Proclamation servant girl. Could she be a Time Lady in disguise? Rose seemed to think Donna would die, not just the Donna version of the "Turn Left" parallel world. But the Shadow Proc. servant girl foretold a future loss for Donna. Her own death couldn’t be her loss, as she wouldn’t be aware of it. 5) The Doctor finds it strange that Donna keeps ending up in parallel worlds and even stranger that they met again after the "Runaway Bride" episode. Again, Time Lady in disguise? And what about the time beetle on her back? Is it still there and she therefore can change time again? But why would Rose not know, since she monitors time-lines? And again, how come she couldn’t foretell the Doctor’s being hit by the Daleks etc? 6) We heard mad Dalek Caan foretell that the Doctor’s most faithful companion would die. We all take it to mean Rose, but again, as Rose monitors time-lines, wouldn’t she know it? 7) Jenny, the Doctor's daughter, regenerated but didn't change. Was it just a ruse to allow the same actress a return or even her spin-off series, or does it mean something in plot terms, such as that regenerations don't necessarily have to transform the character. 8) What about River Song? She might be the next companion as we know they'll meet in the future. Although, we know how she ends up, which is a bit of a dampener, unless he finds a way of saving her, like re-writing the time line or something. But again, maybe the BBC are not thinking that far ahead. 9) We haven’t seen Harriet Jones being actually killed by the Daleks, only her monitor go down. Could she reappear in an interesting guise, as suggested by marcusbailius below? That would be interesting!

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Posted by Richie9 on Jul 3, 2008

Well, it's a bit timey winey but... Donna could actually already be the Doctor. Nobody ever saw Paul McGann regenerate into Christopher Eccleston so maybe he didn't? Maybe he regenerated into Donna, who will later regenerate into Christopher Eccleston. Donna will be the 'most faithful companion' who dies - the faithfulness is that of the Doctor (Donna) to his own companions. When she dies, probably at the end of the episode, probably in a way that results in her being cast back in time to before series one, she regenerates into Chritopher Eccleston (no real need for him to guest star as they only really need his face). She might even take the tardis with her in some way? After all, we know Eccleston had it at the start of the series. However, if she does take it, surely it just ends up back with the Doctor in the present anyway (i.e. she takes it, lives through series one to four as Eccleston and Tennant and then arrives in the present). Hence, the Doctor has a Tardis for the next series. Donna is, of course, completely unaware of the fact - she is hidden in the same way that the Doctor was as Mr Smith and The Master was as the Professor. Her 'totem' is the ring she carries, not a watch. However, the fact that she is the Doctor explains her constant references to herself as a temp (part of the Latin word for). It also explains why she has the urge to travel across time forever. It also explains the clue in her name - Noble (relating to the lord bit of Time Lord). This explains the unusual sound of Donna's heartbeat in the last episode. It also explains why she has such an unusual relationship with time. It explains her resourcefulness. It also explains why the time maniuplating bug on her back seems to be there before it appears (in Pompei) and afterwards (in the Shadow Proclamation). Her Grandad will naturally be quite surpised - WTF Timelord! However, he has unconsciously been aware of this fact for a long time - explainging his love of aliens. The Osterhagen (acronym = Earth's Gone) Key is some sort of device that can be used to destroy a planet when it's fate is already worse than destruction. My feeling is that Donna will use it to destroy the Dalek's ship (already mistaken for a planet), in some way causing her own death and regeneration. However, she wont at aby point become aware that she is the Doctor (otherwise David Tennant would remember), instead his first memory will be of waking up as Christopher Eccleston. However, at the very moment he is about to regenerate The Doctor will regain the memory of being Donna and stop the regeneration using his spare hand in some way. He will be forced into stopping it because he will be aware that, rather than being the eleventh regeneration as he believed it will in fact be his twelth, creating the possibility that he might become the Valeyard (an amalgam of the Doctor's darker side, somewhere between his twelfth and thirteenth regenerations). Anyway, that explains everything. can't believe it took me this long to work it all out. The only thing standing in the way of this being broadcast on Saturday is that its nonsense that I just made up. Anway, hope you enjoyed it.

Attn : Last Tennant Episode Ever ?!?

Posted by Discrespective on Jul 3, 2008

Yeah Hey, I'm not going go on about what we all suspect, it's just still think that with Regeneration, most Russel T Davies thing he can do is not have the doctor regenerate !!!!! Knowing how Russel T Davies scripts works ( so super fabulously camp it makes Liza Minnelli blush !!! ) this is how I see the first few minutes of Dr Who playing out : OPENING SHOT : DOCTOR REGENERATES Doctor: " Hmmmm New Teeth, That's Weird ... Wait ... That Is Weird ... These Are The Same Teeth ... And ... " The Doctor Starts To Run His Hands All Over His Face : Doctor: " ... Same Nose, Same Eyes, Same Ears, Same Hair, Same Harelip, Well...Start Of Harelip, That's Where All That Smiling Gets You Guys, But Why ? Why ?!? Why Have I Not Regenerated ? What's Made Me Not Reg ... " The Doctor Just Starts To Notice His Hand In Jar Sitting Under The Console To Right Of Donna, Rose, Cpt. Jack : Rose : " ... Doctor ?!? " Capt. Jack " ... Doctor ? Are You Alright ... " Doctor : " ... But Of Course !!! Ohhhhh That's Brilliant !!! Capt. Jack, Donna, Rose, Guys Give My Hand A Hand !!! " The Doctor Then Starts To Rush To Jar, Picks It Up, Pecks It And Hold It Up Over His Head Proudly In Front Of Them Doctor : " Insubstantial Matter Transfussion Conversion Complex ! Insubstantial Matter Transfussion Conversion Complex ! I'm A Time Lord And Time Lords Are Unable To Regenerate When They Are Too Close In Proximity To A Piece Themselves That They Have Already Regenerated ! Rose : " What ?!? " Doctor : " Ahhh Rose I Have Two Feet, Two Hands, Two Hearts, To Regenerate This Close To My Hand Would Be Like Me Trying To Grow A Third Hand And I Can't Do That That's Why My Regeneration Process Aborted Itself ! It's Like Throwing Spanner In Works ! Oh Man That Brilliant " The Doctor Pecks The Jar Again And Places It Down On The Floor Of The Tardis Under Right Side Tardis Console Donna : " WHAT ?!? " Doctor : " Ohhh Donna ... Nevermind ... Right Davros !!! End Of World !!!! ( Quitely ) It's Been Quite While Since Last End Of World !!!! Hmmmm Wonder What Kind End Of World We're Gonna Have This Time ?!?!? I Hope It's Short !!! I Hate Long End Of World's ... Right, Let's Go " The Doctor Hits Button On Tardis Console And Starts To Adjust Some Knobs On Opposite Pannel And Turns Crank Cpt Jack : " ... Doctor Are You Sure ... ?!? " Doctor : " Sure I'm Sure !!! I'm Timelord ... " (Grins ) .

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Posted by monettemonet on Jul 3, 2008

I am new to this site and think it's great. I want to add one more thought about this finale episode. There is a lot of speculation that Rose will "buy the proverbial space farm." And she may do so. But when Rose looked into the heart of the Tardis, she brought Captain Jack back to life and made it impossible for him to die. Therefore, wouldn't it make sense that Rose also has the ability to never die? So, if she does die in the finale, she will come back to life. The theory of her immortality has never been tested and even Captain Jack was not aware of his "issue" until he was first killed several years after transporting to the end of the 19th century. I don't think Donna will die, but I think the Doctor Who world she knows will be taken from her, creating a sense of loss. She may even have her memory erased in order to continue on, sans Doctor. Lots of possibilities. Let's just hope we get to keep our current Doctor!

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Posted by piers1 on Jul 3, 2008

I'd like to see the Regeneration sequence end with the appearance of 3 Doctors, one old (Tom Baker), one new ( David Morrisey) and one still David Tennant. Was it not Tom Baker's Doctor that first discovered Davros in Genesis of the Daleks Having Tom Baker back would put a neat full circle wrap on the Dalek story. Donna is going to die, but she will regenerate and resume the same form as she is a timelord, but will have no memory of the Doctor. The Cybermen return at the end of the episode for the Christmas special.

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Posted by wildendeavor on Jul 2, 2008

I have Two theories. 1) Donna is the Rani or a creation of the Rani Basically the Rani is a master of genetic manipulation. When the Time War coming to the end she realized the ONLY possible way to survive being time locked and destroyed like the rest of the Time Lords was to do something similar to what the Master did. Turn into a human and flee as far as possible from the time lock/destruction. However unlike the Master who had to keep running to nearly the end of the universe to have a hope of escaping, the Rani was able to use her superior knowledge of genetics to imbed herself in a human (Donna) or perhaps all of humanity (Donna's ancestors). When you think about this is a much safer option then going to the year 100 trillion and having to hope that you can find enough materials and technology to rebuild what you lost, plus if one of your attempt to reconstitute yourself fail and you are scattered across humanity and can try again. Then once she was safe from destruction/time lock her conscious would slowly rebuild itself. Arguments For Donna being the Rani or her creation: * When you get down to it, in a Sci Fi story like Doctor Who there are really only two ways a character would EVER experience death everlasting. The character sucks and the audience doesn't want to see any more of them or the character was a facade created by another character. Shoot, even Rose came back and we were lead to believe we would never see her outside a flash back. * River Song seemed particularly aware of Donna. Admittedly the Doctor probably shared a lot with River Song, but normally the companions know little about the Doctor's past. This leads me to suspect that Donna did not just die, she became something more. A lover (she is a Time Lord and could have seduced the Doctor so that could revive the Time Lords with her as their Mother/Queen) and/or nemsis of the Doctor who hurts the Doctor deeper than anyone before? * When you get down to it, what greater loss is there than to know you never existed and everything you know is a lie. * Doctor Who likes to drop little bits of commentary on strange things that happen in the real world. The Rani reconstituting herself would a cute explaination for why some men and women are draw to one another despite how wrong they are for one another and how much the hurt one another physically and emotionally. Especially when they know the match is utterly wrong. These horrible mismatches are a result of the Rani's genetic programing. Also on side note, where is Donna's father? Perhaps Donna is the result of one of these Rani missmatches and once the goal was achieved the Rani genetic programing allowed them to seperate. * The Rani process would probably require something extra since there is no flobwatch involved. So maybe that is why she is unique, she was designed to attract a time traveler so that Rani could use the technology to finish the reconstitution. Argument Against: * Does not seem like enough foreshadowing or laying the groundwork has been made. Too easy to come off as cheesey. * Introduces a new character at time when the story is already full on heros and villians. 2) Donna is the Bad Wolf * Rose was litterly god for a little while and saw the all of creation. Perhaps Rose arranged for Donna to be the Bad Wolf or Bad Wolfesque. She did afterall arrange for another round of Bad Wolf signs to be left at the end of Turn Left. * Again, the only way to die forever in a sci fi like this is to suck or never really existed. * Being the Bad Wolf would DIFFENTLY make Donna the most loyal companion of the Doctor, because in a sense she is both Donna, Rose, (the Tardis?) and the Bad Wolf all rolled up into one. * It would explain all the timey-whimey stuff going on around Donna.

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Posted by skinny on Jul 2, 2008

How come nobody has mentioned "bad wolf" yet? Seems to me that the tardis/rose hybrid placed the letters through time end of season 1, so is she that rose....? regarding the regeneration, I think the doctor will split into two (the hand will grow) only one will be bad because the master has manipulated the hands dna... loving it

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Posted by girlord on Jul 2, 2008

In response to the person who said this the beating drums when donna was at the shadow proclamation, but that could also suggest that the master comes back. i think it signifies she could be a timelord but its not the same rhythm as the masters

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Posted by Albatross on Jul 1, 2008

Is Dalek Caan related to James Caan? If so, we can expect him to whip out a pistol somewhere in the upcoming episode. I also caught the Master's drumming rhythm in the coded message. What is "Mister Copper," however? I don't remember. I'm wondering if the Doctor is just going to tip over dead, or vanish, before regenerating. Possibly 2009 will involve Torchwood and Sarah Jane Chronicles proceeding forward in a (temporarily) Doctor-Who-less universe. This would give the Doctor's Daughter a chance to show up and fill in for her old man during the year, to establish her character. Granted, I have no idea how the present situation would resolve without the Doctor. But wait, didn't he say that the 27 planets were an ENGINE for something? For what?? Answer that and you'll know a lot more about the upcoming episode... Why were all those planets stolen to form an engine??

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Posted by gwen_harkness on Jul 1, 2008

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet.. do you remember in the run away bride when the doctor was reminding donna of all those things that had happened like cybermen and daleks in the sky and the slitheen crashing into big ben etc. and she said that she was off to places and didn't see them, bit suspicious? Maybe that plays a part as well... I don't know what new thing Donna could be, but there are quite a few loose ends to be tied up, like where the doctor's daughter has gone, is professor River-Song going to appear again, what'll happen to Gwen and Ianto and what part will the hand play!! I don't think I'm patient enough to wait a whole week... :(

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Posted by babygayjimmy on Jul 1, 2008

Has anyone else noticed the "sound of drums" played when Harriet Jones, Former PM (yes, we ALL know who she is) was trying to get in touch with the companions thorugh the subwave... Rose, Wilf and Sylvia don't know about the "Never-Ending Drum Beat", so they wouldn't have noticed it, but it was definitely the beat... NickGillies said that is was The Master's own assistant who picked up the ring, yet we didn't actually see the person's face (it may not be a woman... transvestites do exist, but... maybe not in Doctor Who... XD), we just saw they were wearing nail polish... And on that note, Russell T Davies said that he put the ring in there for future writers if they wanted to fetch the Master back... RTD said that he did not intend to fetch the Master back while he was in charge... And he's not leving till next year... Kinda shatters that theory a bit ...

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Posted by LizLemon on Jul 1, 2008

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Posted by garlicsmack on Jul 1, 2008

Mr Copper is a reference to Voyage of the Damned, but I think the Master is still at play somewhere. As well as Donna having a frigging huge ring on, at the end of the last series the hand that picked up the Master's ring was a podgy woman's hand, like Tate's. Maybe that's a setup for the next series.

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Posted by 617tony on Jun 30, 2008

One more thing - Donna is "So strong! What are you? What will you become?" (From "Turn Left") And now in Stolen Earth she is "Something new." I take that to mean the persona of Donna is relatively new to existence. She was around before the Master came back to become Mr. Saxon and he could not travel further back in time than he did due to the TARDIS being time-locked by the Doctor. So that means if she is a Time Lord, which that drifting look in her eyes while she heard he own heart beat (not unlike the Professor's drifting in Utopia) would seem to indicate, she is NOT the Master, nor was she created by the Master. I'm going with the Rani theory if only because I remember rumors from last fall the said Donna ends up being a bad guy . . .

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Posted by MrSaturn on Jun 30, 2008

Okay let me dirty the water from my end of the pond with an idea that no one as mentioned yet... I think... Who has been moving Rose around in time and space with such precision? Torchwood on Pete's world where we left her? Maybe but consider this. A different dimension, all those possibilities. What if the Time Lords didn't lose the Time War in the dimension where Rose was trapped. Rose Tyler is working for the Time Lords in that dimension. It's possible they are getting involved to prevent the Daleks from extending their conquest across the dimensional barrier.

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Posted by 617tony on Jun 30, 2008

A few thoughts and questions: Anyone notice that the Doctor is standing in the exact same place the Master was for his regeneration? His severed hand is in the same spot as Eccleston was when he regenerated into DT's Doctor? Something's fishy about that. . . Seems logical to me that we are about to get three Time Lords out of this botched regeneration. I'm just wondering which three? Also, Callufrax Minor - any relation to Callufrax, a.k.a the second segment of the key to time? Whoever the Dark Lord is (the Master hiding in the Doctor or Donna or The Doctor's severed hand or the TARDIS (The Master did have possession of both for a LONG TIME) or the Valeyard or someone else entirely) he arrived when the TARDIS jumped into the Mesuda Cascade.

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Posted by anton-791 on Jun 30, 2008

good point. the beating drums when donna was at the shadow proclamation, but that could also suggest that the master comes back.

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Posted by Headache2112 on Jun 30, 2008

I think that "Donna" is the faithful companion that will die... but in name only! That ring on her finger while sitting on the staircase looked to have "markings" on it, and it was so huge it looked like it could open on a hinge and release "something" from within... sort of like a fob watch. That means that Donna is a Time Lord in hiding. But which Time Lord? Hmmmm.... Donna... rhymes with Romana. What did the 4th Doctor say when Romana (II) departed? He called her, "...the noblest Romana of them all..." (But if Donna is a Time Lord, who does that make her Mum and Wilf??? The Rani and the Meddler?! HAH!) Just another theory! It's a FANTASTIC time to be a fan of "Doctor Who"! ! !

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Posted by lckrgr on Jun 30, 2008

Someone suggested that perhaps Donna is a Timelord as well.... I could see that being the case, after all as she is staring into space while visiting the Shadow Proclamation we do here those beating drums. I still haven't recovered from last week's episode....

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Posted by simonbrew on Jun 30, 2008

Sorry: I've had to delete the spoiler that was posted here. We don't yet have adequate spoiler tags, and this thread and post is all about the speculation :-)

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Posted by Bigphoot1 on Jun 30, 2008

I seem to remember River Song saying that she went to the end of the universe with the Doctor, and at the end of Turn Left he said something about it being the end of the universe. Will she be making an appearance? Maybe the Dr will regenerate into River Song or maybe Donna will... She keeps going on about being a "temp" - temp=time and her surname is Noble.... But then the Slitheen might come along, fart in unison, strike a match and wipe out all the Daleks

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Posted by Bigphoot1 on Jun 30, 2008

I seem to remember River Song saying that she went to the end of the universe with the Doctor, and at the end of Turn Left he said something about it being the end of the universe. Will she be making an appearance? Maybe the Dr will regenerate into River Song or maybe Donna will... She keeps going on about being a "temp" - temp=time and her surname is Noble.... But then the Slitheen might come along, fart in unison, strike a match and wipe out all the Daleks

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Posted by khodge on Jun 30, 2008

To the person who posted the "spoiler". Thanks a frikking bunch.

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Posted by anton-791 on Jun 30, 2008

it was said that the most faithful companion will die. Which for me leaves Rose and Donna (Jack can't die, Sarah jane left, martha left twice ). But in my opinion it will be Donna, as a clue in silence in the library is that River song was mentioning that she knew the doctor, but when Donna asked her if she knew her, she said that Donna wasn't in the doctor's future.

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Posted by abcdeClarkyabcde on Jun 30, 2008

He could regenerate into a brand new doctor but then some of the "energy" from the regeneration could go into the hand and create david tennant again. Of course i have no idea why the Tardis is nearly destroyed but it could be the reason the new doctor dies. Donna will be the reason everything has happened but lets hope it's not a reset moment. They Osterhagen key could be the sacrifice for one of the assistants

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Posted by deex42 on Jun 30, 2008

Too many theories!! My head can't hold them all in anymore!! Donna was commiserated on her loss that was "yet to come" (or something like that) - maybe that's the loss of the Doctor? As has been pointed out, the shot that hit the Doctor didn't seem to hit him full on - maybe it's "killed" one of his hearts? So he won't regenerate - maybe even he's lost the ability to. And maybe that's Donna's sacrifice - her heart (the third assistant to "lose her heart" to the Doctor) And I love the idea of the TARDIS dying - maybe series 5 will be like the Jon Pertwee series? Damn, this is a long week!

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Posted by DrWhoJr on Jun 30, 2008

I have read some of the posts about which of the companions will be the one to die and thought I would toss in my thoughts about it. Because Dalek Caan said that his most faithful companion would die, everyone has been going crazy trying to figure out which one. From all the post here and on other sites it is believed that Captain Jack, Sarah Jane, Martha Jones are out of the running because of the spin-off series. Which leaves either Rose or Donna to be the one to die. But I think everybody in the whole world is forgetting about someone else, the Tardis. I know some of you might think it's crazy, but the Tardis has been his most faithful companion throughout the life of the series as well as the books and audio adventures. The Doctor has always said that the Tardis is alive so why can't it be her that dies?

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by Malky on Jun 30, 2008

This may be a stretch but could this be the beginning of the time war. The Doctor made reference to the war being "time locked" perhaps its time locked because of a paradox. We know so little about the time war and we all want desperately to know more

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by Robmac on Jun 30, 2008

The episode was so good and had so much going for it. RTD has really left in style and personally I think that Tennant will stay and that there might be two version or even three timelords to fight of the invasion - My guess is that the severed hand will be a issue that means the regeneration into sombody new is stalled and Tennant stays Tennant. Also I think that Donna being a 'temp' will the Rani or even Romanna who has been trapped in human form. Also I see the Master hiding somewhere as well, where I dunno could be in the the Osterhagen key maybe?

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by cyberclam on Jun 30, 2008

'Rose was deeply troubled by his regeneration despite having witnessed before so I think she knows what is to come' Yes that's what I was thinking too! She realised that he is still the same Doctor after regeneration in S2 so there would be no reason for her to get distressed. A dark lord making their way through the Doctor perhaps? Intriguing. I can't wait! It had better not be a case of our theories being better than the reality! XD

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by simonbrew on Jun 30, 2008

NickGillies: I'm hoping for the Donna/Master connection. That could be great - the idea that the Doctor has been walking around with an enemy all the time. Has she got a pocket watch, too? :-)

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by NickGillies on Jun 30, 2008

When Sarah-Jane Sith met the Doctor in the Anthony Head episode she didn't recognise him: he had regenerated several times since she last saw him. But River Song did recognise his face. She said he looked young. That seems conclusive. David Tennant will be back, but maybe not next week. Donna, though.... why was there a close-up of her wearing a ring? The last shot of The Master's funeral pyre showed his own female assistant picking up his ring....

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by simonbrew on Jun 30, 2008

I like Tennant, but would like this to be the real deal now, simply for the sheer surprise of it. Has anyone got Robert Carlyle/Alan Davies/Stephen Fry/James Nesbitt/John Simms' phone number?

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by nickcgardner on Jun 30, 2008

I reckon a faux regeneration would be too cheap, so I'm buying into the regeneration as the real thing. It would just be so crap otherwise. Tennant shooting the Christmas Special does not signify. Two Doctors anyone? So I'm working on the conclusion that this IS a regeneration story. It makes sense with RTD going. Also if they are pulling in a new Doctor, he/she might have other obligations which would make further sense of the limited shooting schedule for 2009. If Moffat had a hand in the casting, then, James Nesbitt or Richard Coyle have got to be strong contenders. I also deem it conceivable that the Doctor could have a Princess Astra moment and morph into Donna in some way. She is special remember? Or could she be Romana, herself? RTD is a taboo breaker. If I was looking to go out in a blaze of glory, I would be sorely tempted to go for broke, break the glass ceiling and put a woman in the Tardis. Tate is to hand and could carry the show. She's my best guess.

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by simonbrew on Jun 30, 2008

It does all seem to hinge on Donna. At the end of Turn Left, the Doctor did muse about the sheer coincidence of meeting her twice, and there aren't many coincidences like that in the world of Doctor Who.

My only hope for the weekend now is that they don't use the reset button, as they did last year. That's the big fear, and I really, really hope they avoid it.

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by twinboom on Jun 30, 2008

Two observations that may link in with the theories. 1. The Dalek only hit the Doctor with a glancing shot - the laser beam carried on past him and only one side (notably his arm) of the Doctor 'illuminated' (that thing that shows the skeleton of those being exterminated). 2. When the regeneration starts I am sure he says "I am regenerated", like it was already done. Why would he say that, not "I am regenerating"? My money is on the Doctor not being himself (or David Tennant) in some way for most of the episode, then being 'restored'. 'Who' (no pun intended by me, but maybe by RTD!?) he is though, is anyone's guess. His daughter? River Song? The Master? As for Donna, she is clearly something else/something more. Good or bad, who knows? As long as it isn't "Am I bovvered"! I can't wait for Saturday!

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by Malky on Jun 30, 2008

Amazing episode i loved it, ive been trying to figure this out and my theories are either Donna will go back and sacrfice her self in front of the dalek creating a new reality or the regeneration wont work properly because the medusa cascade is out of sunch with the rest of the universe but it will heal the Doctor. Both these theories are probably wrong but i cant stop thinking about it. Rose was deeply troubled by his regeneration despite having witnessed before so I think she knows what is to come

Re: Doctor Who: lots of theories for the last episode

Posted by marcusbailius on Jun 30, 2008

Someone has to be first here... The clues about the last episode are there but ambiguous. Dalek Caan's "threefold man" reference is first up. I was intrigued by Harriet Jones always holding her ID up as if it was the Doctor's psychic paper, and we didn't see her exterminated. I wondered also if she referred to 'humans' in the third person. And then Donna: We learned last week that time seems to flow around Donna in a different way to most mere mortals. Almost as if she might actually be a time lord, with one of those fob watches around somewhere. Perhaps she is the Doctor that David T regenerates into, only later to regenerate into David using a trick with the hand? Or perhaps she is another time lord completely, like Romana, but still disguised with the fob watch trick? Or perhaps this is all nonsense? Whatever, it's all guesswork. Difficult to second-guess RTD for this. Have fun, everyone!