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Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review

Simon Brew


What’s more interesting though is the Dalek masterplan here, which appears to be to resurface as the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers

Victory Of The Daleks might not have gone in quite the direction the trailers had hinted. But this was still another fine episode of Doctor Who...

Published on Apr 17, 2010


PLEASE NOTE: THIS REVIEW CONTAINS SPOILERS. OUR SPOILER-FREE REVIEW IS HERE
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It’s probably fair to say that there’s some scepticism surrounding the use of the Daleks in Doctor Who. Granted, they’re the show’s most iconic monsters, and granted, their mere presence guarantees some pretty brisk business down at Toys R Us. Yet more than once, the quality of the stories has taken second place to the desire to bring the infamous pepperpots back to the screen (with the low point being the still amazingly bad Dalek/Human hybrid).

Victory Of The Daleks, however, took a slightly different approach. Most Dalek stories have a tangible arc to them: along they come, it looks like the world is going to die a terrible death, the Doctor defeats them, sometimes over two episodes. The better Dalek stories don’t tend to do that, though. And as it turned out, Victory Of The Daleks, penned by Mark Gatiss, can take pride of place in that camp too.

It started off promising to deliver on what most of us thought we were going to get. The Doctor arrives in the midst of the blitz of London, handily taking advantage of the fact that a bit of the introductory work had been done at the end of last week’s episode. He comes face to face with Winston Churchill, who wants to steal the Tardis key, and who then reveals he’s got a secret weapon to help him with the war.

Enter, guns blazing, a Dalek, now living under the name of an ironside. A Bracewell ironside, to be exact, a seemingly loyal creature determined to help win the war. Heck, the damn things are even serving the tea at one point.

This gives us, when nobody around him understands the threat, another chance to see the pent up rage of the Doctor. We said it last week and say it again: there’s a bit of Patrick Troughton in the way Matt Smith is portaying the Time Lord, and there’s a real rawness and frustration that seems to be burning at the heart of him. It’s good to see, too, even if that big spanner thing he was whacking the Dalek with looked very fake (in an episode with much better effects, to be fair).

The supposed inventor of the Daleks here is a Scottish man called Bracewell, and at first he’s inevitably defensive of his apparent creations. But he soon becomes a pivotal part of the narrative when – once the Daleks blow his hand off – it becomes clear that he’s part of their plan. They basically planted him, as a kind of low budget Iron Man-esque creature, and they want to use him to blast the Earth to kingdom come when the time arrives to wrap things up.

What’s more interesting, though, is the Dalek masterplan here, which appears to be to resurface as the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers. The whole Dalek vs Nazi thing disappears quickly (too quickly, to be fair – we were really looking forward to that, but compensation arrived in the form of a really fun Star Wars-esque dogfight in space), to pave the way for the resurrection of the race. As it turns out, to do that they need a testimony off the Doctor, and thus the whole reason they’ve appeared in the midst of this part of time and space becomes clear. It's an unusual, different and welcome motivation for them.

Once they have said testimony, then the toysellers around Britain got to turn cartwheels of joy, as pure Dalek DNA is moulded to create a new collection of multi-coloured Daleks. Yep, now you can buy one to suit your mood, and match the colour scheme of your bedroom!

We’d hoped we’ve have something akin to the renegade versus imperial Dalek battles of old here, but the new Daleks swiftly disposed of the old ones, and seemingly scoffed a few pies while they were at it, given the added paunch they’re now carrying. Still, I couldn’t help but like them. They seem a bit quicker and a bit more brutal too, and their voices seem to have broken as well. You can see the marketing asking you to collect the set in different colours a mile off, though.

All this then allows the Doctor to have his Genesis Of The Daleks moment. For in a parallel to Tom Baker, albeit a bit lower key, he has the option to end the Daleks by destroying them at the expense of the Earth. Granted, Baker never had that counterweight to the argument, which makes it a lesser moral conundrum to resolve, but you sensed that the Doctor was forcibly celebrating at the end when he actually knew that he’d helped his deadliest enemies come back to life.

The rest of the episode petered out just a little, although once more it’s interesting that Amy Pond basically unlocked the solution when it came time to defuse the bomb. Assistants have saved the day on several occasions before, but that’s two weeks running now that it’s taken Amy to resolve the key conundrum. Is this going to be a running theme?

It’s only on reflection that you appreciate how much work Victory Of The Daleks actually got through. It squeezed in a full adventure, gave the show a chance to basically regenerate its prime monster, it laid down in Bracewell and the Dalek escape some big threads that can be picked up later in the series, and it also dropped some fairly big hints for the rest of the run, too (as well as tipping its hat to Where Eagle's Dare at one point). Another crack in the wall is the obvious one, and then there’s the fact that the Doctor’s control over the Tardis’ timing is back to the olden days. Will that come back into play, we wonder?

The crucial one, though, is the fact that Amy simply doesn’t remember the Daleks, and, as was established back in the Tennant run in the Tardis, every human being should. Why doesn’t Amy? Is it just her, or has everyone forgotten? What’s caused all this? You can start your theories now.

For now, we thought that was the most confident standalone Dalek adventure since, inevitably, Rob Shearman’s Dalek way back in 2005, and we suspect that we’ll be seeing them again in the not-too-distance future. It might not have been quite the episode we were expecting to get - if someone wants to give the BBC the money to do full on Daleks vs Nazis at some point in the future we promise we'll watch - but for the third week running, Doctor Who has served up a really entertaining episode. And in the case of Victory Of The Daleks, it might just have breathed fresh life into the famous foes too. It had us really pining for a bag of Skittles for some reason, too.

And if all that wasn’t delicious enough? Next week, the weeping angels are back. Can. Not. Wait.

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Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By amezzeray 1 April 17, 2010 06:20:22 PM

There are cracks in the universe. She is either from a parallel world where the Daleks don't do much or she is from a different year than what the Doctor thought. Of course I'm going to be proven wrong at some point!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Mazie 1 April 17, 2010 06:22:39 PM

I really want a Dalek style teapot with a button on it that when pressed shouts "WOULD YOU LIKE A CUP OF TEA?!" :D lol!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By fermanaghcon 1 April 17, 2010 06:23:41 PM

otally with this review. matt smith gets better and better. the downloadable dr who adventure games look exciting as well

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By magickmikeyboy 1 April 17, 2010 06:24:19 PM

Loved it. Despite - and because of - the big "Hang on..." moment when the Spitfires in their hastily constructed gravity bubbles took on a Dalek monther ship. I mean - Spitfires vs. Daleks. How cool is that?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By junkenstein 1 April 17, 2010 06:25:40 PM

Did anyone else have trouble hearing the speech? Good episode; Im not a huge Who fan but Im enjoying Matt Smiths take on the role.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By The_Tomahawk_Kid 1 April 17, 2010 06:30:01 PM

This was a very disappointing episode. There was nothing menacing about the Daleks and their Trinny & Susannah make-over was ghastly: designer Daleks in pastel shades - whatever next! Next week looks a bit more promising - let's hope so! Amy not remembering the Daleks has got to have something to do with the crack. Is it a crack in time? Are alternate universes merging?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Kardwell 1 April 17, 2010 06:32:41 PM

We were never going to see Daleks versus Nazis, 'cus Daleks ARE the Nazis, albeit through a filter of SF and metaphor. It was always going to be Daleks versus the RAF.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By B_Ramsay 1 April 17, 2010 06:51:47 PM

I absolutely hated this episode. The characterisation of Churchill I found intensly annoying, the day glo new daleks I felt looked far less menacing than Daleks should. The "Keep B*****ing On" slogan was naff. The fact they could manufacture the alien technology to make spitfires fly in space, add them to the spitfires and get them into the air in the space of minutes was ridiculous. Really disappointed. Contrary to the reviewer I found this to be Matt Smith's weakest episode and for me highlights one of the problems with him being so young. I just did not buy the fact that this is the Doctors ancient nemesis and I don't think he showed enough devastation at the Dalek's escape. Hopefully just a misstep in the new series. On a different note, am I the only one who sees a bit of Wilfrid Hyde Whyte's character from the 70s Buck Rogers show in Smith's Doctor?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Doenutty 1 April 17, 2010 07:04:00 PM

'resurface as the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers'... that made me laugh a lot. Not my favourite episode so far but not too bad either. I liked the Doctor being so infuriated with no one understanding the danger of the Daleks he started attacking it to their surprise. I actually like the new style Daleks, bigger, deeper slightly more menacing voices, maybe not in quite as many colours though. When they first appeared, White, then blue I think? I thought that the next one out would be red as all the soldier Daleks had the little Union Jack stickers and I had a mad moment thinking there would be an army of Great Britain representing Daleks running about. I'm looking forward to next weeks episode now.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Jenni 1 April 17, 2010 07:14:21 PM

@B_Ramsay- you are my new best friend. It sucked donkey. Why don't i seem to be enjoying it like the rest of the country?! May try being stoned, Moffet obv was when he chose bloody Matt Smith.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Vogonsrock 1 April 17, 2010 07:16:20 PM

I found this episode lacked any tension or depth. I loved Moffat's episodes when RTD was in charge, but so far I have found this series to be a triumph of style over content/cohesive story lines. Dr. Who is perhaps not know for lack of plot holes, but things do seem thrown together more than usual in this latest series so far. Leaving out vital chunks of plot (as above getting the spitfire gravity bubbles working). Also although I like Matt Smith and Karen Gillan I haven't seen any depth of emotion, or ability to represent pathos, empathy or even understanding of what's going on. I really wanted to like this new series, but as my daughter said, gay pride daleks, a 60 minute makeover tardis and thunderbird pupped actors do not a classic make.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By McCarthy 1 April 17, 2010 07:22:54 PM

Wouldn't mind the White Dalek, and an Ironside one too, I must admit. Episode was alright, the ability to make spitfires fly in space was so quick it was literally unbelievable. I wonder if Bracewell will reapper at some point.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By pete3206 1 April 17, 2010 07:26:13 PM

Disappointing.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Smithereens 1 April 17, 2010 07:28:17 PM

@tomahawk Those weren't pastel colours - they were primary colours.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By viridis 1 April 17, 2010 07:31:40 PM

I thought it was a disappointing episode, crammed full of adventure and awesome visuals, but lacking because of it, rushed and too many music cues forcing excitement when it didn't need it. The acting was amazing though. Matt Smith was Ace, channeling so many versions of the Doctor into one brilliant form. And for once, the Daleks won. The new oldschool Daleks rock. I love the timetravel twist that they're the past and future Daleks. Clever Moffat. Can't wait to see them again, although I don't think so myself. I hope not. Maybe for the Christmas Special. After the Cybermen, the Daleks deserve their special.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By arcadian 1 April 17, 2010 07:31:48 PM

My girlfriends not gonna go for a dalek in the bedroom unless they have purple ones!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By arcadian 1 April 17, 2010 07:33:15 PM

....and she has already started asking me for tea in a dalek accent. This story has a lot to answer for.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By PandaJazz 1 April 17, 2010 07:38:20 PM

Well I liked it! Not as much as the other two, but it was still good. I knew some people wouldn't like the new daleks but I liked the new size of them. Don't understand the hostility towards not seeing the creation of the gravity bubble, I'd rather see a spitfire space battle and the doctor punch a robot than 20 mins of building stuff (not trying to start an argument, just saying). Anyway, it was good and I like Matt Smith. Who cares how old he is? He seems a little more alien than DT. Next week will be awesome though! Oh, and talking dalek teapots, best idea ever.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By MadProphet 1 April 17, 2010 08:11:44 PM

I would've liked a bit more Dalek, to be honest. It would've been nice even to cut back to them victorious, just for a moment right at the end. Instead they just disappear from the last 10 minutes, in exchange for centring the admittedly excellent Bill Paterson as Bracewell. Not bad, but it felt more like the preamble to a bigger Dalek episode rather than the sheer awesome meeting of the 11th Doctor and the Daleks that the trailers seemed to suggest. A 3/5 for me, on first viewing.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By cordas2 1 April 17, 2010 08:22:28 PM

I personally felt it was a bit weak, almost a bit childish at times. Also not to keen on the McDaleks (with fries and coke) the WW2 styled Daleks were far cooler, they really did seem to fit the era.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By ChrisH 1 April 17, 2010 08:27:40 PM

'DWARF PERFORMERS MADE INSTANTLY REDUNDANT AS DALEKS GROW 18 INCHES TALLER - TORY 'TIME FOR A CHANGE' PLEDGE SEEN AS THE NASTY PARTY BEING TRUE TO FORM AS SMALLER PEOPLE JOIN DOLE QUEUE'.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By moorish 1 April 17, 2010 08:31:24 PM

Seemed like only half a story to me - Daleks come back in silly way, end of show. It was like an advert for the overall series story arc without a reason in and of itself to exist.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By ChrisH 1 April 17, 2010 08:46:44 PM

Not sure how I feel about manga Daleks yet - but since Matt is channelling Troughton, Gatiss and Moffatt overlooked a great giveaway. As the manga Dalek's emerged...... 'Hmm! You've redecorated haven't you? Don't like it!'

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By PandaJazz 1 April 17, 2010 08:59:36 PM

Bam!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By cyril 1 April 17, 2010 09:28:17 PM

What is the worst part of a frankly appalling episode? Spitfires in space? Completely stupid, making no sense and childish, but not the worst moment. Super fast but super thick German bombers? They manage to arrive 5 minutes after the lights go on in London, start dropping incendaries but still manage to lose the city when the lights go off. Not the worst moment. An android that avoids blowing up because it thinks it's human? Complete rubbish, but not the worst moment. Same android sets off to pursue a Dalek fabricated memory? Doh, but not the worst moment. No, for me the worst moment has to be the raising of Old Glory on Mount Suribachi. I cannot remember the last occasion where a BBC programme has made such a crass appeal to commercialism and future sales of the programme to the US. All this created a massive wasted opprtunity and waste of a meeting with Churchill. Gutted.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By matthewsouthcott 1 April 17, 2010 09:45:11 PM

I thought it was a good dalek episode. You have to take dalek episodes aside from other who episodes. I thought it was a new and different way to use the daleks. RTD over used the daleks, and I found this a refreshing new approach. I think we have to take this as a bit of a set up to a future dalek christmas special or next season/series finale. They could have spent more time with the daleks being servants that was interesting. We do have to remember that we are still only 3 episodes into a brand new doctor, new companion and new revamped style as well. Takes time to get people used to it.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By vole 1 April 17, 2010 10:52:24 PM

Bill Paterson was a joy to watch (but then he always is). Were Apple involved in rebranding the Daleks? http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339291893/apple_ipod_2008_1.jpg

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Youcantuneapiano 1 April 17, 2010 10:54:46 PM

I thought it was pretty good! I have a small issue with them dusting off the ol' 'falling through time and space' excuse again - I liked the paint-job, and they felt like a genuine threat for the first time. And I hope that the 1963 London Wasteland is so because he let that dude live.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Youcantuneapiano 1 April 17, 2010 11:10:29 PM

*since Ecclestone's first encounter

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By explodingzebras 1 April 17, 2010 11:22:19 PM

To all those who complain about multiple colour Daleks: If you had watched Dr Who Confidential you would know it's a nod to the old Dr Who films and episodes of old which did have multiple colours for Daleks. Each colour determines it's rank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By explodingzebras 1 April 17, 2010 11:25:54 PM

forgot to add this: Multiple coloured Daleks: http://www.impawards.com/1966/dr_who_and_the_daleks.html

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By sundayboy 1 April 18, 2010 12:38:33 AM

@B_Ramsay -Ian McNeice is already celebrated for his portrayal of Winston Churchill on stage in 'Never So Good', and as for his naff slogan "keep buggering on", well that is one of Winston Churchills most famous quotes in history...

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Lachesis 1 April 18, 2010 12:39:45 AM

It was an enjoyable romp but suffered from being too rushed...like last weeks story theres too much skipped over or taken for granted and the concept and ideas deserve more time....we need to return to multiple episode sotries imo.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By michaelklouda 1 April 18, 2010 04:01:51 AM

Liked the episode well enough. The new Daleks are a nice updating and more menacing looking/sounding design, although I would buy one of the army ones over the new color ones because they are just cooler looking. The music, as always, is overpowering and should be more subtle. This should have been a longer episode, in order to work with the story more, but it did what it needed to do brings the Daleks back and give future writers a chance to use them. One thing that does but me about the show is the continuity between shots. When going back and forth between camera angels the characters are not in the same position. For instance, Amy and Winston are looking at the departing Tardis and Amy's mouth is open and she is breathing pretty deeply (head-on shot) but then we cut to a side shot and she has her mouth closed and is not breathing the same. Then back to the head-on shot and then the side shot. If they did not jump back and forth several times it would not be that noticeable (well to me at least). It is these little things and details that I keep seeing in the new series that I don't remember seeing in the previous ones. Another instance is with the huge-ass spanner. The Doctor is using it over and over again and then it is gone from his hands. Then we see it again, on the floor near him. No scene of his dropping it (or hearing him drop it). It just is gone. Yeah, I am nit-picking. But it breaks the connection for me. Still, I am really enjoying it. No farting aliens so far. Just good fun (and short skirts).

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Headache2112 1 April 18, 2010 04:14:22 AM

Ian McNeice may have appeared as Winston Churchill on stage, but that doesn't mean he should have had the part on "Doctor Who". He looks nothing like Churchill, acts nothing like Churchill and talks nothing like Churchill. The "new" Daleks looked like something out of an Andy Warhol print. Awful. The original Daleks looked vastly more impressive and I don't understand why Moffat they needed a "reboot". Oh, and those neck-rings leading up to their shortened domes - just silly looking. The episode was in way too much of a rush to get through all it's information. It's speed detracted greatly from the enjoyment thereof. I also agree with the other posts above regarding the planes in space. Much too easy and again, rushed. It may have looked awesome, and the effects were indeed good, but it was so silly in it's concept that it reduced the scene to an embarassing laugh. Then the Doctor and Amy talk the android out of allowing the Daleks to trigger it's detonation. Absolute garbage. All the time that was wasted on the attempt - each second supposedly bringing the Earth closer to complete destruction - why didn't the Doctor just grab the Android by the arm, tug him into the TARDIS, zip off into space and push it out the door. Once it was out in space, it could have exploded harmlessly, or the Doctor could have THEN gone ahead and tried to talk itself out of blowing up. Such much "concluding moments" dedicated to a character that had no real build-up during the episode. Strange. I have to say, I hope the Daleks are given a much longer rest this time. "The Eleventh Hour" was an excellent start, "The Beast Below" was disappointing. "Victory of the Daleks" was awful.

Re: FAT DALEKS!!! Fail.
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 April 18, 2010 05:20:54 AM

Do NOT like the new Dalek redesign. It's ironic, because THEY didn't recognize the Russell T versions as "REAL" Daleks, and yet they look just as different from the original design! Since when does fat equal evil?!! Now we're stuck with fat Daleks for the rest of Moffat's run. Wonderful.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By sotonrich 1 April 18, 2010 06:22:45 AM

I liked the rebirth of this classic enemy and I don't mind the new look - I hope the new dalek army they build will be less supersized keeping these 5 as the leaders as it were - I think my biggest problem is that the episode was very very rushed...the Daleks deserved more than that - a 2 part story at least. The script wasn't very strong and I felt the actors did very well despite this...still totally in love with Matt and Karen. Worst bomb defusing ever! I hope the next Dalek story will be a bit more fleshed out.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Zokko 1 April 18, 2010 06:30:54 AM

The spitfire sequence was straight out of the R.T.D. era. His critics could not have complained if he had done the idea first. They would have though. They're like that. Did anyone else not think the ending was stupid? A Dalek flying saucer, equipped with futuristic technology, fleeing to fight another day? Come on! Don't insult our intelligence please!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By gingeryoda 1 April 18, 2010 08:31:43 AM

Not great ,not bad just ok.Always get a couple of these every season.New daleks too plasticky though.Haven't read all the posts so if someone else said this sorry,but I think it's a parallel universe,the Tardis smashing into it caused the crack and when he eventually gets back Amy will go with him,as will the new daleks to set up a civil war.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By gingeryoda 1 April 18, 2010 08:32:35 AM

Of course this is most likely bollocks.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Nozick 1 April 18, 2010 09:46:52 AM

One potential problem with this new more obviously moral take on Doctor Who is the long build ups to the stating of the moral problem (the right thing to do versus the best thing to do), followed by a too-quick resolution. The point of moral problems is that they dispel the myth that we can make moral choices painlessly: Doctor Who can save Earth here only at the expense of letting the Daleks go. Letting them go, of course, might do more harm than good in the long-run, so why is this barely acknowledged? Why was there no expression of guilt of the British last week who in choosing the utilitarian option had subjected an innocent creature to torture? As our current political situation suggests, we are all too cosy thinking that we can have what we want painlessly. More of an expression of the true costs of different courses of action would be welcome, if only on television!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By xtrmntr 1 April 18, 2010 09:53:24 AM

I really hope the new daleks are not here to stay. They look like those rubbish 60s/70s toys. By the way did anyone else notice the nod to 'Power of the Daleks'? "I am your soldier" indeed :-)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Ragaron 1 April 18, 2010 09:56:49 AM

michaelklouda you are so right, I've been waiting for someone else to say that the editing is not as good as it should be. I noticed it in the the other two episodes as well. And you're not being nitpicky - proper continuity between cuts is basic filmmaking. And I know everyone else is still raving about Matt Smith but he seemed wrong in this episode. I'm wondering if it was shot ahead of the first two episodes because he was fantastic in the them but seems like he's still finding his way in this one. What I hated about the end was that the Doctor didn't blow the Daleks up in return for them not blowing up the earth and then they tried to anyway. I mean, of course they did, they're Daleks. Any fool could have predicted that so why didn't the doctor? And I don't mind a Dalek redesign but the primary colours don't look anywhere near as cool as the army coloured Daleks. Overall I'm dissapointed.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By TheRahman 1 April 18, 2010 10:13:48 AM

Shut up ! It was sh*t. I hate to say it, but Dr Who has gone to the dogs. It was edited like a Michael Bay Film. MAtt Smith is way out of his depth, and as I thought, the whole thing lacks gravitas. It's like watching a car crash. The 1st episode was great, but last weeks was terrible. Cringe-worthy. I doubt Moffat will stay on next season as Head honcho, because a good writer does not necessitate him being a good producer. It's like saying JK Rowling could be a good director. There is NO chemistry between The Doctor and Amy. I hate what's happened to Dr Who. Hate it. RTD come back please.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By LittleTime 1 April 18, 2010 10:40:51 AM

90% of what I had to contribute has already been said above by B_Ramsay. I disagree however about Matt Smith being too young as I felt Tenant's portayal was more youthful. The whole episode was rushed. Good sci-fi has to have some grounding in reality and this episode did not. Why was Winston Churchill apparently commanding the RAF? The music was too intrusive and I'm not keen on the Fat Might Morphin Power Daleks. The only good bit was the Dalek offering a cuppa.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By LittleTime 1 April 18, 2010 10:56:37 AM

...oh yeah, and I'm glad Amy can't remember The Stolen Earth. I have tried my best to erase that from my memory without success. Tardis towing the Earth indeed.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By velvetmorning 1 April 18, 2010 11:05:26 AM

Turn the bloody music down!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Wrighty 1 April 18, 2010 01:52:19 PM

This has to be one of the worst episodes / scripts since the rebirth of the series. Huge let down as I believe Matt Smith to be up there with the best doctors and have been enjoying this series so far. Please please don't let the show become as childish and silly as in the Colin Baker / Sylvester McCoy era. Also I think the new Daleks are dreadful - a cheap plastic and rubber imitation of the real thing. Hope this is not down to some sort of budget cuts. They no longer look scary and menacing. Lets hope next week is more enjoyable!!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By oatzy 1 April 18, 2010 03:24:33 PM

According to Dr Who Confidential, the Daleks in the first series (of the RTD run) were designed to be at about eye level with Billie Piper. The bigger Daleks are on account of the fact Karen Gillan's about half a foot taller than Billie.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Rob_H 1 April 18, 2010 04:15:11 PM

Astounding over-reactions from some quarters, the vitriol, my word! I bet you're all still watching next week. Or alternatively, if you find it so insufferable, you could always stop... I enjoyed the episode thoroughly. Very clever, and quite clearly leading to bigger things further down the path.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By tombombadil66 1 April 18, 2010 04:15:43 PM

I again enjoyed this week's episode. The whole feel of it is continuing to impress me as I hated much of RTD's run. For me, Tennant always played the part as though he were an EastEnders character and he irritated me to the extreme. This is much more cinematic, although the incidental music is too intrusive at times. I liked Churchill, Bracewell and the new Daleks. Smith and Gillan are still great. My main criticism is the short running time. I'd still like a few more cliffhangers and longer stories, but this might be impossible with today's attention deficit afflicted viewers. Bring on the Weeping Angels!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By GruttyFuttock 1 April 18, 2010 04:20:06 PM

I love Dr Who, but, the reboot seems to have trodden in something and can't get it off its shoe... The dreadful writing contines, as does the curse of the 're-imagined' classic villan. Won't somebody throw the writers into a pit of angry bears and actually employ someone with a bit of imagination. The designers of the new full fat 'Lardeks' can go in too. What were they thinking? Didn't anyone think, 'no actually they're a bit crap' at concept? There was a real chance to revamp the old daleks from their evil pepper-pot with a plunger, to something a bit more sinister and threating. This episode was horrible in many ways, not least the Spitfires in space. Another WTF?! moment... Again, where was the 'No, Mr Scripty, thats a baaaad idea. Stop asking your five year old for help.' from the editor? I'm hoping the next one with the Weeping Angels will be better... I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By davidg1 1 April 18, 2010 05:13:33 PM

GruttyFuttock,lardeks i like that made me lol.but really did not like the new daleks at all terry nation must be rolling in his grave,i mean come on it looks like they came in flatpack from ikea,redesign big mistake,story o.k if a little rushed.i hope they do'nt redesign the cybermen to i dread to think what a pigs ear they'd make of that too.hope nxt weeks story is better.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 April 18, 2010 05:35:24 PM

"Lardeks" Done. :) I was trying to think of a name for the fat Daleks, but all I got was "Butterball-eks". Not nearly as good. ;) Yeah, I can forgive a bad episode (there's always next week) but this means that for the foreseeable future, we get Lardeks. Sad.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By essjayar 1 April 18, 2010 05:58:55 PM

Well, for one this episode has sure thrown up a lot of comments here! As for me - I think it was distinctly average. Likes: The Daleks were back, the idea of planting the android and luring the doctor back to "prove" the Daleks, the re-birth of the Daleks - even though it involved a McGuffin, and the loss of memory of the Dalek invasion of Earth. Oh, the space spitfires were pretty cool. Dislikes: Primary colored Daleks and the whole scene of them lining up, Ian McNeice as Hitler (he's a great actor, just not here), a weak plot overral. But hey. The Crying Angels are back next week :-)

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By 3Phasers 1 April 18, 2010 06:55:43 PM

Mixed feelings, really. All very slick and impressive- looking but, as others have pointed out, could probably have done with being a two-parter to open things up and let the story breathe a little. Dislike the remodelled Daleks very much, particularly as their immediate predecessors were so impressive. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! These new boys just look plain wrong: an unholy amalgamation of the old Dapol toy version and Chris Achilleos' Target cover art. To me they appeared cheap, plasticky and completely lacking in menace. I hate change for change's sake. Don't get me started on the new "feem toon" either! I had hoped that they were just going to be "one-offs", but the comments of the production team on "Confidential" seem to suggest that they're here to stay.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Dickew 1 April 18, 2010 08:52:27 PM

Was it just me, or were the daleks as they moved past the Doctor and Churchill discussing their intent cribbed directly from Feathers McGraw in "The Wrong Trousers"? Matt Smith as Gromit, Ian McNeice as Wallace!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By butyouarenotajediyet 1 April 18, 2010 09:48:51 PM

the new daleks arnt no where near as menacing as they used to be.i no its only 3 episodes in but with the slower music it isnt as exciting as it should be.i can appriciate the nod to the peter cushing daleks but its just not as edge of your seat stuff as it used to be.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By GruttyFuttock 1 April 18, 2010 10:22:08 PM

Well, the Daleks should be easier to defeat next time... Heres some sample dialogue from the next new Dalek encounter - Dismorphia of the Daleks! DOCTOR, YOU WILL BE EXTERMIN... WAIT... IS THAT A BIG MAC IN YOUR POCKET? GIVE IT TO ME! THE PRISONERS ARE ESCAPING! COME BACK! DON’T... RUN... AWAY!... (PUFF, PANT.) COME BACK!... BUGGER THIS. ANYONE FOR A PINT? CANNOT PURSUE! CANNOT PURSUE! MOBILITY IMPAIRED! HELP! CANNOT FIT THROUGH DOOR! DOCTOR, BEFORE WE EXTERMINATE YOU, YOU WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT ALL DALEKS SEEK... DOES MY KALED LOOK BIG IN THIS?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By milliemorten 1 April 18, 2010 11:59:11 PM

What on earth is peoples problem? Nothing we have seen is any less implausible then any RTD era ep. It was a fine episode. Your alternative is no Dr Who so which would u prefer? Go ahead and critique the show out of commission. And hey, if it feels childish, it's cos at it's brilliant heart, it IS a kids show!!!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By milliemorten 1 April 19, 2010 12:01:55 AM

Oh and if it felt like a intro precurser to a bigger later story.........it is!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By spikey_p 1 April 19, 2010 05:09:53 AM

The blame lies, I am sorry to say, with Mark Gattis' script in my view. Moffat's scripts so far this season and in the last 4 before have been characterised by superb story structure, characterisation and a proper pacing that builds and holds a sense of suspense. Should have been a two parter and Moffat dropped the ball with this one, I feel that he should really have stepped in and taken the reigns himself for such an important episode. I think in Moffat's defence that he was forced by virtue of expediency and time constraints later in the season to tell a story that he didn't really want to do and had no passion for (The Spider-Man 3 syndrome) that he therefore handed to another writer as an assignment. Moffat wants to have his own version of the Daleks and get them away from all the Time War guff and living on the brink of extinction schtick that has plagued them since the series returned and I applaud that, as it's been thoroughly done to death by now. What we have here therefore is the Dalek story equivilant of Planet of Fire - you want to end the episode with a new race of spiffy, remodeled Daleks waltzing off to begin conquests anew, tie them convincingly into RTD's Time War Daleks whilst making a clean break with the past and also create a set of circumstances that allow The Doctor to witness this passing of the torch without being able to stop them and without either faction killing him in the process. Even their attempt to destroy the Earth with their bomb is only really a delaying tactic to cover their escape, they seem largely uninterested when it eventually fails to go off, clearly just trying to score some bonus points on their way out. I always feel guilty criticising Mark Gattis' writing, as he has been pretty much fandom royalty for the better part of two decades now. He's not a bad writer by any stretch of the imagination, I just find his writing style better suited to the extra elbow room of prose fiction than the strictly disciplined short form of one-and-done 45 minute episodes. As a result, his scripts revolve around set pieces dropped in at the beginings and ends of episodes, with that story's events compressed and contrived to reach that point by the 35 minute mark. "I want to have Spitfires attacking an orbiting Dalek saucer with laser cannons!" Great! That sounds awesome! But why? "The Doctor is climbing the radio mast on the top of Alexandra Palace in 1953 in a desperate bid to stop aliens from enslaving the human race via television during the broadcast of the corronation!" Great! Why? Similarly, in the quickfire barrage of revelations 20mins into the episode, genuinely surprising development - in this case the "Ash is a robot! He's a goddamn robot!" moment is overwhelmed by the Doctor's outing of the "ironsides" and subsquent consequence of him doing so, the upshot being that the droid-reveal is back-burnered for 15mins while the players for the finale get into position. Just as in Power of the Daleks, the killer's instincts did not break cover for over 5 weeks of building the story (during which time, they served a LOT more cups of tea), the droid-reveal and Amy's actions to counter his programming would have carried real weight if we'd had a whole part 1 (with much more Churchill and some real combat action for the "ironsides" to build him up as a real person. In summary, the problems I think are threefold - Try as I might, during the final spitfire attack on the saucer, I couldn't help but think of the final battle with the saucer in Independence Day - a fightback alien invasion that was expresed purely in terms of brawn and militarism rather than heart. Secondly, Moffat wanted the story out of the way to satisfy the Beeb's marketting department and ensure that he could take a fresh punt at the Daleks later on unimpeded and to this end rushed it through, getting someone else who was keener to write the bugger. Churchill and Amy stand around out of the way for most of the episode because there isn't enough time to give them anything meaningful to achieve. And thirdly... They just look a bit stupid in their new form, sorry. They now look tall enough and broad enough that someone could be standing up inside the casing, wearing it like a suit. The burnt-bronze of the post-Time War models looked like they really *had* flown through a couple of solar flares unscathed and havig to always look up slightly at David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston gave them that slighly off-balance Napolean complex that they totally fail to conceal when they speak to him. These new chaps are huge. Why not just make one the size of a bus and have done with it? And the new colour coded "castes"? What's the betting that one of them (my money is on Green, pehaps "Soldier") corrolates directly with "Dalek Redshirt?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By TheTeacher 1 April 19, 2010 06:06:46 AM

Though I agree that the re-redesign of the Daleks look a wee bit too chubby, I don't get the other criticism about the new series at all. I had more fun watching these three episodes so far than watching series 4 (incl. the specials). The only thing that I'm really worried about is the outlook of another Dalek finale, so here's hoping that they are saved for the Christmas special.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Feefers 1 April 19, 2010 08:28:49 AM

A walking bomb you say, it's a shame I don't have a device that can travel in time and space and take this walking bomb onto the daleks ship dealing with both threats at the same time. Oh wait! I do! Dooooooh. Yeah weak sauce with extra weakness for that total fail there, overall a clunky and weaker episode BUT still a lot better then Fear Her and lot of the weaker RTD episodes.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By DamonD 1 April 19, 2010 09:00:28 AM

Didn't like it all that much...sorry. Some good ideas squashed for time, and a Dalek plan that was loopy even by their standards. Never felt like it was actually WW2, more like a much of WW2 war cliches and someone doing a bad Churchill impression. Mixed bag like Beast Below, but more disappointing to me since I had higher hopes. Maybe the script was written by any old f**ker with an Equity card.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By RikkyB 1 April 19, 2010 09:44:32 AM

Thought the story was average, the most interesting bits being part of the ongoing arc. Loathed the Dalek redesign. I thought they looked very disproportionate. I have no problem with the colours, as I'm old enough to remember the multi-cloured Daleks of old, before they were all painted battleship grey.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Anthony1 1 April 19, 2010 10:06:24 AM

V disappointing. Started well with echoes of Power of the Daleks. But the plot was poor and stretched any credibility: the Daleks planted themselves in WW2 with Churchill so the Doctor would be called and identify them. And that would lead to their DNA validation because they weren’t accepted. Makes a degree of sense at least if you disengage your brain. The Daleks shot their own android- why? Dalek technology was not capable of destroying all the spitfires! Bracewell’s signal being broken by his emotions didn’t work and again was just daft. Very hard to take the programme as drama when we get this. The ending was rushed and had a misplaced focus. We want to see Daleks, not an ineffective attempt at an emotional finale (with Bracewell presumably being allowed to return another day). Sadly, the worst of the three so far- it was just like an RTD episode and lacked any of the magic of the Eleventh Hour. As for the new Dalek design (groan)....

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By matthewsouthcott 1 April 19, 2010 10:18:43 AM

Have to say am slightly shocked by the outpouring of negative views on this episode. Do agree that the show is more child friendly this series so far, but hasn't affected my enjoyment of it. Am surprised by the difference of opinion as well the press and critics generally seem to love this series, Matt Smith ect... Do think as said before you have to take this episode as a bit of a set up for all new future dalek adventures. Won't be this series finale, but either xmas or next series finale. I can't see why so many dont like the new daleks, they are almost the same as they were originally only slightly larger. This episode will be better appreciated in a couple of years when we have seen the full series and future plans. I would like to see longer episodes, at least an hour would be nice. I love the way this series is shaping up, the angels episodes should be great.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Sprocket 1 April 19, 2010 10:21:12 AM

This episode was originally slated to be in series 4 but was put aside and replaced. I can see where they were aiming with it.It was good but it wasn't brilliant. The Daleks now return with new powers and that's good. If the new Daleks were all grey like the original ones then everyone would be saying "why didn't they change them?They'd look great in HD if they were coloured" I fear Moff is going to be unfairly criticised no matter how good the series is with this constant bitching about the smallest details, ignoring the fact that DW is a great show with high standards throughout, a dedicated team and a man who comitted to the show when Hollywood was calling and he could have just said no and cashed his dreamworks cheques.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Lachesis 1 April 19, 2010 10:53:24 AM

Maybe its inevitabel that people enamoured by the godlike but angsty, emo Doctor RTD and Tennant delivered are going to be uncomfortable with the change...its only the same effect in reverse of the relief I feel that they are gone. I do know a number of friends who stopped watching during season 4 that are back and enthused, so its the usual transition jitters that fuel a lot of comment.

Risible
Posted By Angostura 1 April 19, 2010 10:54:57 AM

One of the worst episodes for quite a while, mainly due to the quality of the writing. It's a lovely puzzling premise at the start. But then we have (1) a bomb that can be defused by making it feel emotion. (2) Spitfires in space (3) Chubby Chad-Valley daleks. The direction/acting was pretty grim too in places - not the best from Matt Smith, I think - though he wasn't given much to work with. The portrayal of Churchill was lack-lustre. And I personally couldn't understand why Churchill wasn't more peeved at what would have appeared to him to have to been the Doctor screwing things up by attacking his secret weapon with a spanner. "Yes, so their evil Doctor, at least wait until they've destroyed the Nazis first" before pissing them off and making them turn against us. I hope next week's is better.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Lachesis 1 April 19, 2010 12:42:42 PM

@Anostura - Chruchill knows the Doctor from some previous time, and like the audience is smart enough to trust him. The initial call to the Doctor from Churchill evidences the mand doubt at this 'too good to be true' weapon. It made sense but as regards the other issues it really was a case of rushing ahead and assuming the plot would be bought rather than taking the time to establish the plot points better....a two parter would have made a big difference in this case imho.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By solaco111 1 April 19, 2010 01:39:56 PM

I hate to say it, but these last 3 episodes have been a mixed bag! all pretty average, nothing too special yet, but I hope they are just getting us warmed up! saturday nights episode wasn't great though! an easy watch, but nothing that blew me away!.. fingers crossed it doesnt eend up going the same way the last few series have gone!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Liv123 1 April 19, 2010 01:42:23 PM

Too much has been said about this episode already. I just wanted to say that when I heard the new theme tune in the 1st episode I really wasn't sure but it's grown on me and I know why. It's because it reminds me of how it sounded when I was a kid and Tom Baker was on the throne. If you take away all the little extra bits (and remember that era) listen again next time and you might feel the same.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Thunderball 1 April 19, 2010 01:59:19 PM

I was not overly keen on this episode. This is simply due to the rushed feel. This was just over 40 minutes, which is too short for a full episode of Doctor Who with this much to do. The opening episode to this series worked extremely well due to having a full hour to do what it needed to do. Having said that, I feel too many comments are being overly critical of this series so far and am confident that as the series progresses we will see these as early minor episodes in a much bigger arc. I feel Matt Smith will win us over and become one of the best time lords. He has a natural provocative aura which welcomes the comparisons with Troughton, Pertwee and Davison. However I feel he works best when he has time to breathe and not in the fast paced action packed episodes which suited Ecclestone and Tennant. This Doctor needs breathing room to operate. So too does Amy. Her wide eyed wonder is played beautifully and I feel this series will revolve around her, but she needs more emotional scenes and time for her relationship with the doctor to develop. I think this series and the future of Doctor Who is in safe hands. As for the comments about the Daleks only in it to sell toys, well I agree to a point. The Daleks have never been my particularly favourite villain but they are a staple of Doctor Who and every now and again. And kids love them! The nay-sayers here must remember that Doctor Who is a Saturday tea-time children’s science fiction programme aimed at families so that both kids and adults can enjoy it. It always has been!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Kiddo 1 April 19, 2010 02:18:13 PM

Overall I'd say the episode was...decent. I'm not a big fan of the multi-colored Daleks. I know it's a nod to the old-school Daleks, but they looked a bit silly to me. Matt Smith's performance was up and down for me. He had some really great moments like when he starts beating the Dalek in disguise, but at the end it fell flat. He should have been more upset that the Daleks had returned. Spitfires in space was pretty good. Bracewell managed to get them up there in what seemed like a few minutes, which was odd but didn't bother me too much. Someone else mentioned the ending being rubbish. It was. The bomb doesn't go off because Bracewell has human emotions? Lame. However, I am excited to find out why Amy can't remember the Daleks and the return of the crack in the wall. And weeping angels of course!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By redfairy 1 April 19, 2010 03:11:15 PM

Sorry to say although I have enjoyed Matt Smith up till now, I feel this episode was a real disapointment. I felt that Smith was wooden in the extreme and faced with his oldest and most hated enemy, his lack of emotion completly ruined the episode. This incarnation of the doctor does not seem to possess any of the passion or "humanity" for want of a better word, that the last two have. If it wernt for a very wooden, angry staged set piece where he attacked it (unconvincly) with a spanner, I would have had little notion he cared about the Daleks at all!Lets just say I hope no one see fit to bring up the title of "oncoming storm" to this Doctor as he is more like a short , squally shower!!!!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Lardekfan 1 April 19, 2010 04:43:06 PM

I actually like Smith's reactions and all in this episode...and I love the new Daleks. What I do not like is the BBC's moving the show around and time starts. Now I am a yank and do not pretend to know how your TV works but they reshow the eps and such and also measure recordings as well? But why oh why is BBC running it against BGT?

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By mokofil 1 April 19, 2010 08:04:14 PM

Well on the plus side, I still like Matt Smith and Karen Gillen. And I'm always up for a bit of foreshadowing, so I'm intrigued by the whole cracks idea and Karen having no memory of the daleks. Other than that, this was not up to scratch. The rest of the acting was dire, particularly Bill Paterson. Don't mind size of the new Daleks, just the colours - why? And if you replicated Dalek DNA wouldn't you just get the Kaled and not the non-organic casing? I personally think a bunch of desperado, raggedy-ass, patched-up Daleks would be a hell of a lot more interesting. Why didn't the Doctor zip back to Earth, grab Bracewell, zip back to the Dalek ship a few minutes previously, then leave Bracewell there to detonate? Two birds with one stone. To be honest, I don't mind if we never see the Daleks again - they have lost all their value as villains to me. The worst element of the episode seems to have been ignored by many (or, at least, glossed over) but I can't understand why it's been allowed to slide. Spitfires in space. Bracewell had the theory down on paper. In a matter of minutes (remember, the German bombers were only 10 minutes away from London) they actually construct these gravity bubble mcguffin things (obviously all the materials and tools were to hand), fixed them to Spitfires (which must have been stationed at an RAF base mere seconds away from the Cabinet War Rooms, rather than outside London), tested them to make sure they worked, trained the pilots how to operate them, taught pilots how to operate a plane in space without atmosphere, fitted them with what looked suspiciously like laser guns, and actually managed to get them launched out of the atmosphere via some unknown propulsion system and all the way out to the Dalek ship. In less than 10 minutes. Utterly ridiculous. Writing and plotting this poor wouldn't be allowed on Hollyoaks, and for the life of me I can't understand why Moffat allowed this through. Forget people saying "...wow, Spitfires fighting Daleks in space with decent cgi for a change, how cool, look at all the pretty colours, etc, etc" - this element of the story was unacceptable. Ooh, and don't forget that during the same 10 minutes Bracewell also managed to design and build a communication device that not only could pick up sound from the dalek ship, but also moving images without a camera - amazing! Despite some good lines and snappy dialogue, the plotting was just dire - sorry Mr Gatiss, but please step away from the show right now. On the plus side, next week looks like it should be raising the standard quite considerably (even if the trailer looks like a homage to "Aliens").

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By mokofil 1 April 19, 2010 08:08:27 PM

Oh yeah, I agree with Liv123's post above. Wasn't sure of the new theme tune, but if you listen it does contain some Tom Baker era synthy bits - almost a mash-up of classic Who music and the RTD theme. I miss having the Doctor's face zooming into the distance with some fantastic 80's video editing, though!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By milliemorten 1 April 19, 2010 09:57:28 PM

I agree on the tune too. It's really grown on me. I also think the show would really benefit from a 60 minute run time. But really don't dissect the plot so closely. It won't stand up cos it's fantasy fun. Now cheer up the lot of u and enjoy our Who.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Ragaron 1 April 19, 2010 10:35:41 PM

Here's some simple solutions that could have solved a few plot holes; 1) State that the gravity bubbled and lasered-up Spitfires in in development but they weren't using them yet because they're not quite ready yet and there are only three of them equipped so far. It's a much smaller leap from there to them flying in space so quickly - and I have no idea what a gravity bubble is but surely it can get a spitfire into space in a matter of seconds. 2)Instead of all that back and forth at the end just have the Daleks tell the Dr that they've set the bomb ready to go so he rushes off in the tardis and then as soon as he's gone the Dalek ship zaps off through hyper space (thanks Star Wars) before the last Spitfire can get them. 3) No I don't know how to make the emotion-driven bomb defusing seem more realistic, although I think in the context of Dr Who it should work - I just think the acting wasn't so good in this one, as if this episode was shot first.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By DamonD 1 April 20, 2010 10:19:43 AM

I guess it perhaps just feels like a show where Moffat & co have suddenly had to grab onto a speeding motorcycle and are currently desperately hanging onto the handlebars with legs flapping in the wind. Hopefully things will settle down and they'll get the hang of the pace. And if anything has the ingrediants to be a good story, it should be the Angels two-parter coming up.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By chewedmelon 1 April 20, 2010 04:40:11 PM

My tuppence... Smith and Gillen are great. New Dalek design is ok but too colorful. Gatiss' script was full of irritating WTF holes. Overall it was the weakest of the three so far. Looking forward to more. Especially Moffat's.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Japhy_Rider 1 April 20, 2010 07:45:06 PM

Not so sure I get it! The 11th hour was brilliant and since then the show has started slipping... I like Matt Smith but think he has been let down by poor scripts - something just doesn't work - I find that I have to watch the episodes twice to start to even enjoy them. 'Victory' was weak in my opinion and Gatiss should had 'could do better' stamped on his proposed script - ok there were some good bits (mostly with Smith) but the story was rushed and weak - the Daleks are overused and need a rest - I'm sick of daleks falling through cracks in time... 'Dalek' was the best dalek story of the new series - clever, well written and original - since then it's been an excuse to bring them back again, and again, and again... Plus I did not like the brightly coloured fat daleks - they look like they were made in Taiwan at a sweat factory! Merchandising ploy written all over them! I just hope that the 'Angels' give the new series the spice I have been waiting for since '11th hour' - Matt Smith is a good doctor and potentially take over Tennent's 'best dr mantle' but he needs the stories!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Japhy_Rider 1 April 20, 2010 07:54:48 PM

PS - Karen Gillian is fit!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By MarvMarble 1 April 20, 2010 11:01:01 PM

I mostly liked it, although I thought the resolution of 'if we make him feel human his bomb won't go off' was extremely ropey. As for the new Daleks, I wasn't sure from the still pictures, but on screen they were great.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Caboodle 1 April 21, 2010 07:39:37 PM

Holy. Freaking. COW. I'll admit up front that I didn't much care for The Girl in the Fireplace, I rather enjoyed Love and Monsters, and while Fear Her was, IMO, the weakest ep of nu-Who, I didn't actively hate it. I realize these opinions place me in an unpopular minority, and any opinions I may now express will be either panned or ignored, I suspect! But my point here is, I've managed to find SOMETHING to like about every episode that's come along, whine though I might, at times, about poor plotting, disappointing denouements, and wretched writing in general. But VotD had Not A Single Redeeming Feature. Not one. And while someone pointed out earlier that more than enough has already been said about this episode, I tossed in my unasked for 2 cents mainly because I thought this thing was so bad, it actually made me afraid for the future of the show. TEH was a pretty good beginning - Matt is a pleasure to watch, enough to just about make up for his extreme youth - but TBB was really only so-so. Following what was arguably a barely adequate episode with this absolute pile of steaming poo is frankly frightening, since presumably the production team is really depending on the public to accept all the many, many changes they're throwing at us all at once to keep the show on the air, hopefully for another season at least. If you're going to take away the star, the co-star, the theme song, the sets, look, sounds, taste, and overall "feel" of a show - while not the heart and main point of a show, still things that fans can get ridiculously attached to - at least make the transition palatable by serving up some seriously good writing to remind us what it is that we *really* watch Doctor Who for. Drop their jaws with cleverness, jerk some tears, provoke some thought. Convince us that we no longer have to choose between our hearts and our heads, as RTD too often forced us to - give us both! Or at the very least, give us something that engages our brain, even at the expense of pathos, if that's the best that can be done. This episode did neither. None of the new season episodes have, to be honest, but they had enough good points to be enjoyable. This, however, was an embarrassment for all concerned, and I actually had to look away from the screen at times, because it hurt to watch. It made no sense, it didn't tug a single heartstring, it had not a moment of humor. Even the CGI was no better than average, and I couldn't muster any enjoyment of that because I too busy throwing my arms in the air and shouting "WTF!!!???" at my screen. Evidently we'd all better get down on our knees and send up a prayer to Santa that things improve, PDQ. Matt Smith deserves better material than he's getting if he's ever going to win Best Doc Evar.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By FonceFalooda 1 April 21, 2010 10:19:26 PM

I'm mostly with you, and I don't want to defend this episode, but holding off the Daleks with a cookie was great. "But I WAS promised tea!" :) Best part of a crappy episode.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By DocStourbridge 1 April 21, 2010 11:00:21 PM

Loved Eleventh Hour, really liked Beast Below (though a bit frenetic) and disappointed by Victory. It promised so much with Churchill/World War II/Daleks set up. A great opportunity missed. Think it would have been best to hold fire on the Daleks becoming their usual selves until much later in episode, really build up the tension and then have Churchill lamenting the fact he has to carry on war without them, struggling on, sacrificing human life, etc, Doctor and Amy looking sad too. But maybe that's a bit heavy, perhaps people want brightly coloured Daleks, Spitfires in space and everyone seeming to have a pretty jolly old time despite the carnage and tragedy around them. Once the Daleks became themselves it was a bit of a letdown, like when we realised whatshisname wasn't the next doctor in The Next Doctor. Am hoping the Angels/River Song double bill will give a bit more breathing space for Doctor & Amy to settle down, catch their breath and find out a bit more about each other - and for the plots to develop at an easier pace to follow. Could do with a cracking double bill to really bed down the new series/team, with some more measured moments amid the running. I think the 'historicals' fall into two camps for me - great ones like Pompeii and Shakespeare, good ones like Dickens and Christie and not-so-good ones like Victoria and Churchill. In both the last two cases, the Doctor and companion just seemed too jolly surrounded by death and also failed to really give the respect you'd sort of expect them to give such figures. But hey, Doctor Who is on TV, let's not complain too much and hope for some corkers later in the series!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By Caboodle 1 April 22, 2010 10:18:43 PM

@FonceFalooda: Yeah, in retrospect the Jammy Dodger line was worth cracking a smile...I just wasn't capable of doing it at the time!

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By junegrape 1 May 3, 2010 07:39:46 PM

Another episode, another "meh." For the first time since the series return, I really did have the feeling I was watching nothing more than a kids' show. I loved Moffat's "Coupling." His Who - so far, not so much.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By intheshadows 1 May 18, 2010 12:10:24 PM

On the surface, this looked like a great episode. World War II, Churchill and the Daleks. I've always loved the episodes where aliens are plotting during significant events in history but this missed the mark. The great thing about sci-fi is that even though anything is possible, it has to be believable. Spitfires in space just didn't do it for me. That wasn't the low point of this episode however - what the hell has Steven Moffat done to the scariest and evil beings in the universe - turned them into pie munching teletubbies that's what! I'm sorry but everyone watching it in my household was in utter dismay when out rolled a bunch of dayglo wheelie bins. RTD could be quite camp as we all know but these Daleks take the biscuit. About as scary as Julian Clary.

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By ubabz@hotmail.com 1 June 3, 2010 12:55:38 AM

Mofat should never ever write with the eye of history. he cant do it. Just keep making up stories as we go along M, its better this way

Re: Doctor Who series 5 episode 3: Victory Of The Daleks review
Posted By nkbabzy 1 June 3, 2010 01:05:42 AM

...and as for the colors of the Daleks, someone (a Character) should have laughed and told them the truth...their bum does look big in it.
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