David S Goyer addresses Justice League rumours

News Simon Brew 14 Jun 2013 - 07:30

We ask the man straight: David S Goyer, are you involved with the Justice League movie?

At the official junket-y thing for Man Of Steel in London, we managed to sneak into a posh hotel in London to find David S Goyer nursing the after effects of a rather good night the day before. What better opportunity, along with our friends at HeyUGuys, to ask a direct question about Justice League than by taking advantage of Goyer's need for an Alka Seltzer. Here's what happened...

We're keen to get an answer straight from you. It was reported online earlier this week that you'd said you were definitely doing Justice League...

It was not reported...! I did not definitely say that [laughs].

Can I ask you straight out, then: is it a project you're involved with, and is there any meat on it yet?

It would be disingenuous to say Warner Bros doesn't hope that this would be the starting point for a shared universe. And Zack has said that Bruce Wayne exists in this universe. It would be a different Bruce Wayne from Chris' [Nolan] Dark Knight trilogy, and it would be disingenuous to say that Zack and I haven't had various conversations on set, around 'what if' and 'moving forward'.

That having been said, it's all going to depend on the next few weeks. Warner Bros has hopes that there will be more Man Of Steel films, and that this will be the beginning of a shared universe. We could meet Batman, or Wonder Woman, or the Justice League in these movies. But they all hinge on box office reception.

But this should be a big hit.

If that happens, I would be happy, and nervous, to dive in.

And that would be a blank slate? Will Beall had done a screenplay that doesn't appear to be going anywhere?

It would be blank slate, yes.

We appreciate there's only so much you can say, but just wanted to get the facts from you.

Well, some of it's not bullshit! They're hoping that the film does well, but god forbid it doesn't, things will change. I don't know how many different iterations of Justice League they've tried to mount over the last decade or so. But for one reason or another they haven't happened. I think Warner Bros has seen - and Chris deserves the biggest credit for this - that we were able to revitalise Batman and turn it into the first billon dollar superhero film. And they're hoping that Superman will be revistalised as well. And if we can do Batman and Superman, then maybe we can move on to Wonder Woman, and The Flash, and characters like that...

David S Goyer, thank you very much...!

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Those are very common sense answers from Mr Goyer with a very realistic understanding of the dependency of MoS to be successful.

Why would anyone think that needed clarification. The Avengers movie success along with Iron Man 3 has shifted Studio expectations. It's for 'now' the new business model.

I've got a horrible feeling they will ruin Batman...

There's a pattern to David Goyer triolgies. If you noticed, in the Blade trilogy, the villain uses some type of DoomsDay device. In the second, he, the hero, has to team up with others that are not so heroic/possibly villainous. In the third, he teams up with heroes that are actually heroic, and could possibly take the mantle of heroics from him.

This happened in Blade, with Deacon Frost and that device to become a god, and Batman Begins with Ra's with the microwave emitter to take out Gotham. In the second, Blade has to team up with a team that isn't the most heroic on Earth. In Dark Knight Batman makes a pact with a D.A. with a slightly unhinged side. In Blade Trinity, Blade teams up with younger crime fighters/vampire killers that could one day replace him. In Rises, Batman meets fake Robin (lol)...and Catwoman.

Now with Superman/Man of Steel in play, Zod uses that terraforming thing to destroy Earth, starting in Metropolis. I saw a comment either at IMDB or comicbookresources or Ain't It Cool or superherohype neogaf or somewhere point this out, specifically between Batman Begins' microwave emitter, and the device that Zod used.

It's long been my belief that you can't have one guy do everything, and regardless of Goyer's writing/scripting quality, you can't have one man write all these movies/stories. It's too much work. He's/you're being stretched thin. Snyder's/Goyer's gonna do Man of Steel, Man of Steel 2, "AND Justice League? That's too much stuff.

they need to do Worlds Finest Batman/Superman movie as the sequel to man of steel, then they to do Justice League as the third. buck the marvel trend, do something innovative.

I agree. with the exception of Lord of the rings, an already plotted story and a special case, it seems a new director and writers should take over every film to give the universe a fresh new look. Star wars it worked, Marvel found out the hard way with Iron Man 1 & 2 but look to me making the same mistake with Avengers 2, I predict. There will always be exceptions but generally it seems to be true.

That worked out so well for the previous Batman franchise with Joel Schumacher taking over. Marc Webb's Spiderman in comparison to Raimi's version (include the much maligned third movie) doesn't compare too favorably. Ratner's X-Men movie damn near killed the franchise.The Hulk has had two movies with different teams and has failed to meet expectations both times. Die Hard isn't doing too well as a franchise these days despite doing exactly what you advise. The list can go on really.
There are no hard and fast rules to creating franchises, or else Hollywood would have discovered them long ago. The current for finding a competent movie maker with a vision for the character and seeing how they fare and ditching them if things don't go well much in the fashion of football clubs ditching the manager at the first signs of failure seems to be yielding some good results, but I'm sure you could provide exceptions because, as I said, they are no hard and fast rules in building and maintaining a movie franchise.

Firstly I did state is was a general rule and I have some problems with the conclusions you drew from the examples you stated. Batman Forever is not that bad for its time. At the time I really enjoyed it. Clearly B&R was messy but did not follow the different director rule. TAM was better than SM3. Rat Poison will kill anything. TIH wasnt a follow up to Hulk but it was an improvement in some respects, both films are decent. The first 3 Die Hards were quite good i suppose, but stretched out the concept of the unlikely hero as far as it would go and the concurrent sequels suck completely.

Batman Forever was awful in it's time, you only need check reviews of it at the time, and it's main virtue is it wasn't as bad as what followed. The Amazing Spiderman wasn't a very good step forward for the franchise, which to all intents and purposes tried a little too hard too be something different than the Raimi while forgetting the strengths of those movies. But my examples only served to illustrate that there are as many examples of franchises not being served well by alternating creative teams as there are of franchises benefiting from a more or less intact creative team from movie to movie.

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