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10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk
Sarah Dobbs
Sarah's review of The Incredible Hulk was lukewarm, if not downright chilly, but today she's got some suggestions on how it could have been better...
The new Hulk movie is a disappointment. Really, it is. I went in expecting brainless fun in the Ghost Rider vein, and was rewarded with boring boring rubbish. I've had more exciting commutes to work on the days I forgot to bring a book and my MP3 player's battery wore out. There were real actors in there, but they weren't doing much acting, and the screenwriter seemed to have dozed off. However, there's no point criticising if you can't be constructive about it, so here's my list of ways to improve The Incredible Hulk:
10. Get an actual body builder in to play the Hulk
The CGI in this film isn't bad, exactly. It's just that it's impossible to forget that what you're looking at was created on a computer. When Hulk and Abomination fight, it's all very impressive, but it just feels like watching a computer game. And you're really not holding the controller. However, before the film there was a trailer for the new Hellboy film, and that? That looks real. Granted, it's a huge red guy with sawn-off horns, but it's Ron Perlman in there, and it works because he can really engage with his environment. So why couldn't they have done the same in The Incredible Hulk? Surely it would be cheaper and easier to get in someone - hell, even Lou Ferrigno! - and use prosthetics and makeup to make them look Hulk-like? Sod it, even The Thing in Fantastic Four looked better than the Hulk in this movie. He'd be a bit small, maybe, but I'd rather have a slightly scaled down Hulk that looked real and dangerous than a CGI Hulk that doesn't even look like he's in the same room as everyone else.
9. Give the villain a real motive
What, exactly, is Emil Blonsky's motive in the film? It boils down to, roughly, "I've been fighting people all my life, I like fighting, that guy's massive, I'd like to fight him, raaaawwwwrrr!" Yeah, okay. Deep. I can really empathise with that. Or not. It's completely pointless crap, and, okay, I accept that a lot of the Spider-man villains ended up having really rubbish motives too, but "I want to fight because I like fighting" has to be the absolute flimsiest of excuses for a dust-up.
8. Get a real writer in
Anyone know who Zak Penn is? No? Well, I'll tell you. He's the guy who wrote X-Men: The Last Stand and Elektra, without a doubt two of the worst movies Marvel has released to date. Okay, he didn't write Fantastic Four, but he did write Fantastic Four the video game, which is probably even worse. Seriously, are those the credentials of the man you want to hand a major franchise like Hulk? David S. Goyer would be better. (No, I'm serious: David S. Goyer would be better. I liked the Blade trilogy, and come on, he wrote Batman Begins!)
7. Rip more stuff off from Crank
If using a real writer to write a decent screenplay sounds too much like hard work, why not just plagiarise a bit more? The scene where Banner falls from the plane and smashes into the concrete below is exactly like the bit at the end of Crank, and Crank, while flawed, was kind of awesome. So why not use Google Maps to demonstrate how Bruce Banner is moving around? There's a lot of travelling around in the movie, it could use some contextualising. The running around screaming bit is already covered, and I don't really want the Hulk hurtling around with an epinephrine-induced erection, but The Incredible Hulk could certainly do with borrowing some of Crank's momentum.
6. Change the title to something more honest
If you're going to make a half-assed movie, don't put the word "Incredible" in the title. That's just asking for it.
5. Give Betty Ross an actual character
The basic building blocks of a character make it into The Incredible Hulk. We know Betty doesn't get on with her father, and why; we know about her past with Banner; we know she's a doctor; we know she's dating some random guy who looks sort of like Mel Gibson crossed with Ben Stiller. But as soon as Banner re-enters her life, all of that stuff goes out of the window. She's reduced to the role of the love interest, forever standing on the sidelines and crying prettily; the most Liv Tyler has to do for most of the movie is pout a bit and occasionally scream "Noooooo!"
It's a shame, because much of the film relies on the audience buying into the relationship between Betty and Bruce, and it's just impossible to do; they're just two good-looking people who pair off with one another because no-one else in the film is as pretty as they are, and there's nothing interesting about that. We need to feel her pain when she watches the man she loves transform into a beast; we need to feel some sense of urgency when she's trying to reach Bruce through the Hulk's eyes; we need to care, even just a little tiny bit, when she's helpless to stop her father leading troops into battle against the Hulk. And we've never given a reason to care.
4. Throw in a Ghost Rider crossover
This one thing would make me award this movie extra stars - anywhere from one extra star all the way up to giving it a full five star rating. Just give me a Ghost Rider cameo. A flaming motorcycle could zoom past in the background while something else is going on; that'd be worth an extra star. If Johnny Blaze turned up to talk to Bruce Banner, that would be amazing. C'mon, they're both antiheroes, men who transform into virtually uncontrollable monsters due to powers beyond their comprehension; they could bond. Hey, maybe even Roxanne and Betty could make friends and ring one another up to share the pain of being in love with a man whose presence wipes out their entire personality because screenwriters don't know how to make realistic relationships work onscreen. Marvel is all about the overlapping universe its superheroes inhabit, and while it was undeniably cool to see Tony Stark show up at the end of The Incredible Hulk, it would have been much, much cooler to see the Rider.
3. Stop trying so bloody hard to be funny
There is something desperately wrong with The Incredible Hulk's sense of humour. Quite simply, it's not funny. There's the self-conscious bit where Bruce rejects the bright purple stretchy trunks Betty found for him, winking maniacally at fans who recognise the Hulk's traditional costume; there's the bit where Bruce gets his Portugese pronunciation wrong and tells people that they wouldn't like him when he's hungry; and, worst of all, there's the bit where Bruce and Betty are about to have sex and his heart monitor beeps to tell him to calm down in case he turns into the Hulk. Oh, ha ha ha, the Hulk is a metaphor for erectile dysfunction! It's painful to watch joke after limp, feeble joke fall as flat as, um, something, but in a paragraph that talks about erectile dysfunction I don't think I want to be making any similes about limpness. Ahem.
2. Listen to Edward Norton about changes that should be made
Much has been made of the creative differences that occurred during the production of The Incredible Hulk - probably too much, really, because it doesn't seem to have been as much of an issue as the media would have liked it to be. However, apparently there was a disagreement between Edward Norton and Louis Leterrier and Marvel Studios about the cut of this movie that was to be released, and Marvel won out. I'm thinking Norton's cut can't have been any worse, so why not give him a go?
1. Cast Nic Cage as Bruce Banner.
Nic Cage instantly makes everything better. Fact.
Read Sarah's review of The Incredible Hulk here.
User's Comments
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkOk, the Ghost Rider and Nic Cage comments have concreted the fact I should never take notice of anything this contributor makes to this site.
Which means The Incredible Hulk is probably a great film. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk"Contributor", heh. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk"Cast Nic Cage as Bruce Banner. Nic Cage instantly makes everything better. Fact."
Holy crap. Lost for words. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkNicolas Cage has done a handful of genuinely good movies. Not many, but there are a few ("Raising Arizona", "Vampire's Kiss", "Wild At Heart" and "Adaptation" spring instantly to mind).
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Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkNic Cage's appearance in Grindhouse makes orphans feel better about not having parents. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkNic Cage's appearance in "Grindhouse" was the only 2 seconds of that awful 3 hour circle jerk that I enjoyed. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkSarah and Nic Cage sitting in a tree...etc.
Still must admit he did a good job in National Treasure ( even the sequel) and Ghost Rider would have been rubbish without his Carpenters loving Johnny Blaze | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkOkay, I wasn't going to say anything yesterday when all your gal pals jumped on me (yes, I'm referring to the guys who jumped on your bandwagon as 'gals').
But you, Sarah, REALLY need to do some research before you write these reviews.
Lou Ferrigno would not pass, in this age, as the Hulk. Period. Neither would ANY body builder.
Hellboy as a character is about 3 ft. shy of the Hulk. So- hm- perhaps prosthetics would work?
They did that w/ Mr. Hyde in the League of Extraordinary Gentleman. Not half bad. But not half good either.
I think if watching CG characters fight makes you wish you were playing video games, then put quite simply:
YOU play TOO many video games.
Maybe if you're going to call yourself a film critic, you should start by researching the films you watch.
For example: What did you expect from the Hulk?
REALISM? Please.
Nic Cage? You have GOT to be kidding me.
Ghost Rider? My god, you really, really don't have a clue do you.
Pity. But here's what it comes down to.
I don't care if you are or aren't a self-described geek, dweeb, nerd, or doofus; when I google reviews of the Hulk, yours came up.
And it doesn't live up to MY expectations of what a film review should look like.
You show NO evidence that you have the ability to do a balanced review, such that you can put yourself in the mind of your readers and think "Hm. I may not like this, but who WOULD?" Instead, you've just slobbered your opinions in a lenghty form, w/out once indicating that perhaps there are people who might enjoy this other than you.
I'll waste no more breath on the likes of you. Just a shame that your stuff gets 'published' on the internet.
Hulk will be AWESOME. Specifically because you don't like it. :) | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkMan, I wish I had the free time and mental space to argue about a film I haven't even seen. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkDjomigod: I recommend acquiring an awareness of what a movie review is, and also a sense of humour. You may experience an epiphanic moment, so I'd recommend sitting down. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk1. Nick Cage is awesome, and it a much underrated actor. His performances in Raising Arizona and Leaving Las Vegas are testament to that.
2. Using a bodybuilder as The Incredible Hulk would look much, much worse than the CG equivalent. Personally, I think they did a reasonable job here.
3. Djomigod, a film review isn't where you write what other people's opinions might be; it's where you write your own opinion, based on a movie you've actually seen. It's not where you say a film will be 'awesome' based on nothing but your own preconceptions. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkFirst the obvious; Sarah is an idiot. But in her defense, her stupidity pales in comparison to the people who hired her and gave her a venue to display it.
Second, I was going to go into depth about how the only people who complain about the REALISM of the Hulk are people who only know the character from the TV show and who are too ignorant to read the source material (the freakin' comic book) the tv show was based on.
I was also going to question the sanity of a person who couldn't figure out why Marvel wouldn't hire a bodybuilder to play the Hulk, but...then Sarah revealed to the world she liked Ghost Rider.
Suddenly her review and her lack of intelligence crystallized for me. Since she feel on her own sword already, anything I say about her would be redundant. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkCorrection of typo:
Since she FELL on her own sword already, anything I say about her would be redundant. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkThis just in: Mensa to scrap IQ testing, in favour of determining intelligence based on what movies we all like. ;-) | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkNic Cage should never be allowed near a superhero movie. Fact. The wig would be ridiculous, for a start.
Why can't they get a bodybuilder, paint him green, and then size him up as they did Hagrid in the Harry Potter movies, and in reverse for the Hobbits in those elf movies?!
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Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkI do agree that Nic Cage and superhero movies are not a good idea. Anyone remember when he was down to play Superman? | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkNic Cage would have made Superman Returns entertaining. Ergo, it would have been a better movie. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkCage is too quirky-looking for square-jawed roles like Superman; it's his vulnerability that makes him interesting, not necessarily his strength.
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Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkGhost Rider? No, no, no, no, no. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkI'm not a movie reviewer, just an audience member surveying movie reviews on the internet.
And yours looks like nothing I've ever seen.
You can call yourself an Op-Ed contributor.
But please, don't insult the profession of those who are actually out there to inform people of what's on screens, instead of giving us absolutely nothing but their unbridled, uninformed rants.
It will be awesome. Your reviews will never be, until you change your title to "Op-Ed Reviewer".
And you, miss, are surely not even a junior Maureen Dowd. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkDjomigod: I'm curious. Leaving the sexism of your post to one side for a second, what's uninformed about a review written by an experienced, comic-loving, Hulk-liking, film fanatic who has actually *seen* the film, and was looking forward to doing so? If she doesn't, genuinely, like the film, is she supposed to say otherwise, else risk getting personal abuse for her trouble, just because it doesn't tally with other reviews? | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkSarah has nothing in common with Maureen Dowd, because Maureen Dowd is absolutely horrible. Fact. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk"Your reviews will never be, until you change your title to "Op-Ed Reviewer"" | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk(that said, of course, Sarah is wrong about Superman Returns, which is great, and much as I've liked her idol Nic "My Son Is Called Kal-El" Cage in films such as Arizona and Adaptation, I'm really glad he never got near either that or Spider-Man...) | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkSo here's how this works:
You said- Maureen Dowd is horrible. FACT.
That - is an opinion.
Her review "behaves" much in the same way.
Goodness. Sexism.
Are you guys Canadian? 'Cuz basically, I don't understand a word any of you are saying. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkBut I'll give you all credit, b/c this is absolutely my last post to any of Sarah's reviews.
You stick by your girl quite well.
And yes, that she wrote a '10 ways to make Hulk better' shows that she did in fact want it to be better.
I'm just not sure if she was expecting LOTR or Spider-Man or what, though. I give you credit, Sarah, for at least mentioning pathos etc., but King Kong had pathos???
What it boils down to is this:
REALISTICALLY- there wasn't a chance in HELL Marvel, the new out of the chicken coop studio, could have hired WETA. They are the ONE and ONLY company that could provide the believability you seem to be expecting.
So- if you're a real fan of the Hulk, are you happy they made a better Hulk movie, or disappointed that they didn't achieve the impossible.
Because much as Penn & Teller would lead us to believe, some things are just plain impossible.
Thus: the rest of us comic & Hulk fans are just really damn happy for Marvel Studios that they have a better movie out about their 2nd flagship character (prior to Iron man's release)!
That's it! I'm gone! Love to you all. (mwah) | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkDjomigod - informing people "of what is on their screens" is the job of listings, summaries and those who write them. Not critics - their job it is to give an informed and sincere reaction to the films they see.
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Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkMarvel couldn't have hired WETA? Bullshit. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkYou fanboys are pitiful and sad. Defending women in hopes of a date or a pat on the head? WOW....
Anyway, here is the line the neutralizes Sarah's so called LOVE for the Hulk and her PASSION of comic books:
10. Get an actual body builder in to play the Hulk
It is IMPOSSIBLE for her to be a Hulk fan or a fan of the Hulk comics and keystroke stupidity like the above line. IMPOSSIBLE | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk"You fanboys are pitiful and sad. Defending women in hopes of a date or a pat on the head? WOW" | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkDefending women in hopes of a date or a pat on the head?
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Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkGoogle 'DJomigod'. He's either PR, or a lunatic with a fetish for musclebound, green men. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkI don't think I can add much to the comments here, but Djomigod, the folowing is why your first post causes me problems: The ranty, CAPITALS, attacking a writer straight off the bat, your apparent inability to say 'actually, this is why I disagree with your opinion' in an adult manner. YOUR (as you seem to like referring to yourself in capitals [yes it's an insulting assumption, the same as you've made several here]) assertation that you've not actually seen the film and...well, Sarah has. But more than that, the fact that you seem to be an antagonist, surfing the web to impose your self-important and locked down views of what should and shouldn't be. Not very inducive to a smooth introduction to you I've got to say. But then those are my pinions, and (I hope well-constructed). If not, your opinion counts, but your insults and rants do not. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkI should say that this thread has provided amusement, disgust and joy in equal measure. Some of youse guys are wonderful, and some of you are less so. ;)
Anyway, I'm off on my Comments White Knight date now. Here's hoping! | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkHilarious. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulkhow the hell did this woman get a job reviewing movies?
what a moron! READ NUMBER FOUR. GHOST RIDER SUCKED. WHAT IS SHE THINKING??
AND NICK, NICK, NOT NIC, NICK CAGE MAKES EVERYTHING GOOD? HE PLAYS THE SAME CHARACTER IN EVERY MOVIE. HE SUCKS AT ACTING AND SUCKS AT LIFE.
JUST LIKE THIS WRITER. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkIncidentally, it seems that Sarah's not alone in her view - there have been a plethora of two- and three-star reviews all over the shop (and some one-starrers, even, such as Peter Bradshaw), and barely any that have been wildly enthusiastic. Does this mean that Sarah was - shock horror - *justified* in her opinion? Are we allowed to call her a proper reviewer now that her review was actually representative of the apparent critical consensus? | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkOh, and "braxnond", it's not "Nick", it's "Nic". His name is "Nicolas". No "h". | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkThere's no 'k' in Nicholas either, so I think it's probably okay to spell it either way. That said, you really should be referring to him as Mr Cage, Cage, or El Cagerino, if you're not into the whole brevity thing. | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible HulkJohnson? | |
Re: 10 ways to improve The Incredible Hulk10 WAYS TO IMPROVE DEN OF GEEK
1 thru 9 - Fire Sarah Dobbs
10 - Include movie reviews from the people who actually know what they are talking about; THE FANS.
http://www.reelzchannel.com/video/34772/first-fans-the-incredible-hulk |
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