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8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie

Martin Anderson


Here's why a depression-era Superman could cut through the gordian knot of bad sequels and actually be fun again...

Published on Aug 25, 2008

I personally hope that Warners doesn’t use the Superman fan-base as a multi-million member focus-group for how to approach the ‘darker’ Superman movie that it wants to make. What a new film needs is a visionary director with enormous enthusiasm for the project and a clear and bold vision for the Man Of Steel that will re-boot the cinematic branch of the Superman franchise. With clear direction and a three-film vision, minimum. Superman needs Donner II, its own Chris Nolan. Not twenty million chefs. The zealous fan-threats regarding the fidelity of Watchmen creep me out a bit…

There are other reasons to not overly placate comic Superman fans – Supie has had notable adventures and incarnations in so many worlds and ‘universes’, that whichever one you pick, there will be groans from the opposing camp/s. Make a good film, however, and they will all forgive you.

Finally, a great many Superman fans – like myself – are ex-Superman comic readers who have moderate enthusiasm for the comics but huge enthusiasm for what a Superman movie could be, seeing what magic Richard Donner wove with pre-digital tech and a big heart in the late 70s. Unfortunately, Bryan Singer seems to be a little too much in that camp, and therefore turned out to be the wrong choice for Superman Returns. The ‘safe’ market for Superman v3.0 (or maybe v2.0, since Returns was kinda v1.5) is far broader than comics fans.

But what the hell, since Supie fandom is practically making this movie in threads all over the web right now, here’s my two cents…

Set the new movies in the 1930s. Superman hit the real world in 1938, so why not? This came up yesterday in the comments to The Dark Man Of Steel, and apart from solving a number of problems, it just seems like a cool idea to me. Here’s why…

1: There’s popular precedent
Mark Millar’s Red Son is probably the most celebrated retro-Supie, where our hero is re-imagined as having fallen on communist Russia instead of small-town America, and the tripartite arc covers 1950-2000. I doubt that Warners are going to spend $200 million on a pinko Superman (the ‘wine’-coloured cape did enough damage in Returns), but the character has already proved popular in the past.

2: It would be visually stunning
Like them or loathe them, check out the production design in The Hudsucker Proxy and King Kong (yeah I know Hudsucker is set in the 1950s, but the aesthetic and tone are pure 1930s); all that glorious art-deco and world’s fair vibe would be absolutely amazing to look at, and if you check out the Daily Planet’s globe in Superman Returns and the Woman Of The Year chic of the seventies movies, it’s patently obvious that the cinematic Superman myth is strongly tied to the 1930s.

3: It would let Superman be a fantasy again…
Away from the 9/12 world, we need not explain why Supes isn’t out there in the middle-east kicking arse and taking names (besides which, we already have Tony Stark for that). Set it mid-thirties and Hitler is still only gearing up in Germany at this point, and remains a regular guest at embassies worldwide, so no need to worry about the Superman contribution to the war yet. Superman’s perennial problem is that he is too powerful, and can choose to solve too many of the world’s problems, which conundrum only adds to the ‘Christ parable’ which got Donner and Singer into trouble. Give him no easy targets, and the situation is more interesting.

4: …whilst still capturing a modern feeling
Having lived through at least two recessions, I know that the current economic gloom is likely to still be worrying us in two years’ time, even if it mercifully doesn’t hit as hard as many are fearing. So setting a new Superman movie in depression-struck New York errr Metropolis gives an opportunity for some hard edge among the glamour and the high-energy of the Planet newsroom.

5: No spring-boards needed
I’m not suggesting that Superman be returned to his diminished power-set from the early Action Comics days. Let him fly over the old city, and keep his X-ray vision, super-strength, etc. Howbeit it might be appropriate that his powers be slightly just slightly toned down from the last four films – watching him lift about a billion tons of Krypton crystal away from the Earth in Superman Returns was frankly a bit much, and I don’t care if he did ‘fall to Earth’ afterwards.

6: No need to re-run the origin story
One reason there’s significant fan-resistance to a genuine re-boot is that not everyone wants to go through all that business on Krypton again. So do it X-Men style: go back to the origins later and get on with the story now. Admittedly this isn’t specific to a retro-Supie movie.

7: He wouldn’t have to apologise for being who he is anymore
One of the most depressing aspects of Superman Returns was watching the Man Of Steel participating in an apologist tract for male WASPs. Not only is that not an issue in the 1930s, but the Katherine Hepburn era also presents us with some of the strongest female heroines/villainesses in Hollywood history, so there’s no scope for turning back the clock on feminism. Hopefully whoever plays Lois Lane will play it slightly straighter than Lane-clone Amy Archer (Jennifer Jason Leigh) in Hudsucker. Which leads me delightfully to…

8: It’s a great opportunity to dump Kate Bosworth
I don’t know whose idea it was to put a whining, nagging, petulant, semi-depressed (and not even redeemingly attractive) Lois Lane into Superman Returns, but if you think that fulfils the original character remit then…ahhhhh, yer screwy! A dame like that wouldn’t last two minutes under the demanding schedule of a 1930s Perry White, so she’d have to liven up a bit, see.

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Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Kardwell 1 August 25, 2008 01:35:58 PM

There's an argument there, but I doubt if it'd wash with the WB executives. I remember Michael Chabon's pitch to set the FANTASTIC FOUR movies in a mythical pseudo-1963, and that didn't stick either.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By twosheds 1 August 25, 2008 01:37:05 PM

Yeah, I'm just dreaming really (I wrote this piece). + it would cost like $450,000,000...shame.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By picknmix 1 August 25, 2008 04:05:55 PM

This a great idea, but film companies will look for the first cost saving target and the period look will be first on the agenda. It's a shame, because in many respects Superman belongs to another less cynical era.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Rude.Cherub 1 August 25, 2008 04:58:26 PM

Wow, got to say I'm with you 100% - As it happens once the rumors started circulating after Returns - I'd come to the same conclusion myself - that a reboot - a "Superman begins" movie - would be most interesting as a period piece, beginning in the 30's with Superman coming to metropolis, with a simple acknowledgment to the alien origin story - just say as a background to the opening credits, pretty much as it was in Action Comics No.1 This would have genre wide implications, it would seal importantly the fact that Superman is the first and greatest Superhero, the daddy of them all. Here Superman should begin by being the less powerful but also darker and gritty early version, fighting gangsters and racketeers, - the hero that says "you're not fighting a woman now" as he punches a wife beater through a wall. Initially leaping - then eventually flying - powering up just as he did - and culminating in some clear good-guy bad-guy WW2 action, before a climax: the dawn of the nuclear age. Following the defeat of hitler and truth of death camps, my imagined story ends with Superman wondering about his role and origin ( failing to prevent the Holocaust and the a-bomb is a more realistic personal crisis for a demi-god than the one singer gave us in 'Returns' ) This would then see a war weary Superman leaving earth in search of who he is (again the 'Siegal Shuster' 30/40's Superman didn't really know that about Krypton - his relationship with Lois would have developed naturally into an open partnership - as he learned of "kyrptonite" which was to be called K-metal - see the unpublished "K-metal from Krypton") Indeed Superman would then take Lois and even Jimmy with him into space. This adventure would be the second movie - a sci-fi spectacle introducing say Mongul and Daksied type alien characters - these bad guys can actually go toe to toe with Superman and stop him getting home to earth, then he wins of course third movie - Superman returns to earth - time has passed thanks to relativity and space travel and stuff. In so much that it's now the present day. Superman of WW2 has been easily written out of history, (think Roswell) although the "myth" of Superman has inspired other heroes to appear (see I've written in the rest of the JLA just there) - this time the internet and media ensure Superman is a world sensation. This movie we've got a more Kingdom come/all star superman like character - older, (but not that you can see it) confident and incredibly powerful - assured of his role as defender of the earth against super beings and alien invaders. This being my take on a modern day post 911 story. an alien attack on earth, (remember the bad guys from before) metropolis endures it's 'twin towers' moment. Superman takes the war to Alien homeland, gets sidetracked (you could even blame Luthor for this one) and deposes an unrelated but albeit wicked dictator, but the real villain hides from him until a climatic end piece where the alien superpowered bad guy dukes it out with the man of steel. two worlds are saved... Something like that any way. Of course this is all wishful thinking, but you never know someone might be reading this.... end note: after I'd thought about this I find that there is in fact there is a well regarded novel (i'm told) which takes Superman back to his 30's roots. 'It's Superman! By Tom De Haven, Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster' - so I've ordered it.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By twosheds 1 August 25, 2008 05:31:33 PM

Rudecherub - they should have a warning really but you need to use HTML code to make line breaks in these comments boxes. Also, if your comment doesn't seem to appear after you press submit, do a hard refresh of the page. It's usually there.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Rude.Cherub 1 August 25, 2008 09:46:15 PM

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Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Rude.Cherub 1 August 25, 2008 09:49:06 PM

Thanks for the info Yeah my earlier post sucks There are no paragraphs, making damn hard to read. I hate me.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Kardwell 1 August 25, 2008 10:16:09 PM

I liked Rude Cherub's ideas a lot, but I'd do it as one movie: taking him from an origin in the 1930s through to a WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW style resolution set in 1986. But that's how I roll.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Discrespective 1 August 26, 2008 12:40:49 AM

NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! Superman doesn't belong in 30's ! To set man seventy years in another time and place is making him irrelevent in today's society !!! Sure it's the only thing wrong with this eight point proposal but yeah it's big enough wrong to warrant me saying this shit !!! You can still make him worked in today's society it's just location setting has to reflect the personality, personally modern day Abu Dai or Beijing or Shanghai than yesterday's Chicago or Detroit ! Alan Moore when asked by Tim Burton what it is he need to do in his Batman Movie that would set it apart from all the other superhero movies that's been out, Alan Moore said " Make sure the city contrasts with Batman ! Make it dark, cramp, claustrophobic with crap everywhere, make it look like him and you will have movie made ! " Applying his genius to Superman you see what wrong with this ? The 1930's was in the depression !!! Superman doesn't do sad cause he's ultimate hero, he's sick thing happy ! He's hey we can do this, come on men, stick to it team ! Setting it in the 1950's would make alot more sense you want full frontal nerdity period piece but no just because last one didn't work doesn't mean make it work we need to take it back beginning when he was leaping around ! Note to self: Superman didn't fly in his first comics !!! It wasn't till his radio show in 1940's did Superman begin to fly around, another thing wrong with taking him back to where he first began !!! That and finish off I know we all living in the edge of another great depression where concept of character like Superman doesn't fit, still take back to another depression doesn't make sense to me when this one is just as unbelievably bad !!! Seriously den of geek, I love you guys but 1930's Superman is Bullshit !!! :-(

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By spidey3969 1 August 26, 2008 01:22:01 AM

I sort of like the idea. I just wish Bryan Singer had never wasted his time with that Superman pic. It's not that it was bad, it was actually all right. But it felt so warmed over with many of the plot ideas, and the new plot ideas (namely his son) I really dreaded. It was more of a disappointment because he had lined up a perfect X-Men trilogy that people were BEGGING for then instead, be-lined to do a Superman movie, that quite frankly, no one was really clamoring for in the first place. It was misplaced energy that could he could have spent making film history (the first really good comic book trilogy EVER!). Did anyone read the novel, "It's Superman" by Tom De Haven? It's a re-imagining of the Superman story that takes place in the 30s and could be the basis for a really cool movie with some adjustments for the screen.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Rude.Cherub 1 August 26, 2008 02:19:29 PM

@Discrespective I understand why you might not like this idea. The comics has always 'updated' the character, with mixed success to keep the story the quasi-present (not that rocket boots have ever been convincing) You seem certain that Superman doesn't belong in the 30's BUT like it or not that's exactly where and when the character came from. Jerry Siegal's Dad died during a robbery at his place of work, a year later he wrote a piece about a invulnerable super-man. Superman was born during the great depression. You say a film set in another time and place can't work because it won't resonate with modern audiences, I'm sure Peter Jackson is sorry to hear that no one liked King Kong and LOTR , and of course Titantic just sank at the box office. Superman is set Metropolis. That's (deliberately?) evocative of the Fritz Lang classic - for me, ie. city where the rich live in splendid sky-scrapers and the poor in dark poverty. " all that glorious art-deco and world’s fair vibe would be absolutely amazing to look at" yet you're talking about a dark and dingy city scape ala Burton, sorry but that's a straw man that the article isn't selling. Jerry Siegal creates Superman 1933 - Action Comics 1938. FDR's New Deal initiated between 1933 and 1938 to beat the Great Depression - The unstoppable collective powers of common man - that's the spirit of 'yes we can' and 'we do our part' - all that is pure 30's. The 50's by contrast gave us the nuclear age, the cold war, and Comics Code Authority. Superman's powers grew over time in the books, personally I think it would be fun to see 'Superman Begins', where he has to sweat and grow stronger, ie earn and learn flight and might while wearing the tights and cape.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By randompost 1 August 27, 2008 01:21:35 AM

"it might be appropriate that his powers be slightly just slightly toned down from the last four films" Oh, ya. That's just what we need, less "Super" in Superman because there were so many scenes in "Returns" where he was showing off those powers. Like catching a plane (yawn), bullets bouncing off him (wow, that's original). That was one the problems with SR: not enough fight scenes to show off that power.

Attn: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Discrespective 1 August 27, 2008 09:04:17 AM

@Rube ... Hey Man, while I totally hear what you're saying and want to thank you for taking the time out to talk to me, the thing is yeah you're right, Superman did start out in thirties, it's just cos that's where he's from doesn't mean that where we would should start !!! Spider-Man started out in sixties, where everything was hip, high, far out, or fucking real groovy ! You don't want that ! It's the same thing with me with Superman ! I don't want him set in a world where everybody's gumshoe or salamander ! That and with my Tim Burton comment I think you missed my point ! I wasn't saying he should be set in dark world, I was saying that setting needs to reflect the character ! Superman is Man Of Tomorrow ! He should be set in city that looks like, feel likes the future !!! It should be some big huge giant place of city that looks wayyyy out there ! That's what we want to see man ! The Man Of Tomorrow belongs more here in modern day than he does in 1930s cos today is where the future starts !!! 2008 Not 1938 ! Okay I mean we're all talking about how Warners has it wrong wanting to make him all dark and depressing like Batman but yeah then you go and want to set him in the depression ! The depression ! That's seriously mess up !

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Discrespective 1 August 27, 2008 09:15:05 AM

Yeah okay, cool, we all got that ?!? Superman ! Man Of Tomorrow ! A 1930s Superman doesn't work cos 1930s isn't where tomorrow is ! Okay, cool, we all got that ?!? That's why 1930's Superman Movie is such an incredible dumb idea ! Anybody posts another mesage saying it's such sweet thing of awesome, I'm personally gonna be sleeping on there couch and playing cannibal corpse till dawn !!! Dude ...

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Discrespective 1 August 27, 2008 09:15:48 AM

Tomorrow ! A 1930s Superman doesn't work cos 1930s isn't where tomorrow is ! Okay, cool, we all got that ?!? That's why 1930's Superman Movie is such an incredible dumb idea ! Anybody posts another mesage saying it's such sweet thing of awesome, I'm personally gonna be sleeping on there couch and playing cannibal corpse till dawn !!! Dude ...

Attm: 1930s Superman Movie
Posted By Discrespective 1 August 27, 2008 09:17:33 AM

Yeah okay cool, we all got that ?!? Superman is Man Of Tomorrow ! A 1930s Superman doesn't work cos 1930s isn't where tomorrow is ! Okay, cool, we all got that ?!? That's why 1930's Superman Movie is such an incredible dumb idea ! Anybody posts another mesage saying it's such sweet thing of awesome, I'm personally gonna be sleeping on there couch and playing cannibal corpse till dawn !!! Dude ...

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By elevendayempire 1 February 19, 2009 10:22:16 PM

Set it in the 1930s. Cast Jon Hamm as Superman, and John Malkovich as Luthor. Get Steven Spielberg (ideally!) or Joe Johnston or Kerry Conran to direct. Watch the money roll in.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By rocketeerfan 1 January 21, 2010 02:09:03 AM

Brilliant. Absolutely the way to go. Every argument is right on. And elevendayempire 1's casting idea is flawless. Just picturing Jon Hamm or a Jon Hamm-type in a slightly wrinkled, Kirk Allyn/Ray Middleton Superman suit with a smaller vintage "S" makes my heart soar. A stylish Lois in a male-dominated smokey newsroom (I always liked the idea of Zooey Deschanel, probably cuz she reminds me of Margot). This needs to happen!!

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By Ashley_Pomeroy 1 March 15, 2010 06:58:32 PM

It's a lovely idea. But there's a huge problem; the most obvious precedents are The Rocketeer and Sky Captain & The World of Tomorrow, which were both notoriously mediocre performers at the box office. No bucks, no Superman. If I was a producer I would want to keep myself a million miles from anything reminiscent of Sky Captain Etc even if the results would be artistically awesome. I would want people to associate my name with huge big piles of money rather than box-office failure.

Re: 8 reasons for a 1930s Superman movie
Posted By wynne 1 February 7, 2011 08:24:11 AM

@randompost1 I don't know about you, but I think fight scenes where Supes has to actually put up a bit of a struggle would be a lot more interesting to watch. Heroes that are too powerful are boring. If he can lift a freaking mountain of Kryptonite, then how can you justify any other scenes showcasing his powers lasting longer than 5 seconds?
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