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The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?

James Hunt


Anne Hathaway is Selina Kyle. Tom Hardy is Bane. So what is Christopher Nolan up to? And can he make Bane work? Our The Dark Knight Rises thoughts lie within...

Published on Jan 20, 2011

Speculation over who the next set of Bat-villains would be has been going on since the moment everyone stepped out of the cinemas following The Dark Knight and asked themselves, "Wow, how are they going to follow up Heath Ledger's Joker?" Yesterday, we got our answer: with Catwoman (Anne Hathaway) and Bane (Tom Hardy).

With the possibilities for Batman villains so wide and varied, it's perhaps understandable that the announcement didn't quite set the fans' enthusiasm alight. After all, it's inevitable that most people's top choices wouldn't make the grade.

The Riddler was easily the bookies' favourite, but some argued (myself included) that his particular brand of insanity might position him a little too close to the Joker in the eyes of the general public. Comparisons to Heath Ledger would have been inevitable, and doubtlessly unfavourable.

Other candidates like Hush, Hugo Strange, Mr. Zsasz and even Harley Quinn might have seemed a good fit for Nolan and Bale's brand of dark realism, so the elimination of any of those choices was bound to bring a certain disappointment, whoever Nolan chose.

But on the other hand, I don't think anyone was expecting him to choose Bane over any of those.

Last seen in Batman And Robin being portrayed by a wrestler (always a mark of quality) and delivering such lines as "Bomb!" "Exit!" and "Get my agent on the phone, immediately!", Bane's appearance was so universally mocked that the odds of a revival surely couldn't have been lower.

But hang on a second. In the comics, Bane was invented for one specific purpose, the storyline Knightfall, in which Bane, an ultra-intelligent, superhumanly strong, expert strategist managed to best Batman on every level, breaking his back and forcing him to quit superheroics (for a while, at least). That version of Bane sounds like a threat that might legitimately test Nolan's Batman. And with Tom Hardy in the role, it's safe to say they probably won't be going the monosyllabic, muscle-bound henchman route.

As a one-man crimewave, the anti-Batman, Bane's inclusion almost makes sense. Give him a slightly more realistic muscle mass and he becomes an easy fit for Nolan's world in both tone and appearance. The real confusion comes from the knowledge that he's going to be teamed up (narratively) with Catwoman. Apparently, one poisonous property wasn't enough for Nolan.

Last seen being played by Halle Berry (who, lest we forget, promoted her role in X-Men by claiming she was "reduced" to playing a superhero), the Catwoman film was so bad, most people were sure she was also out of circulation until the next series reboot at least. Although interestingly, the specific announcement itself purposefully avoids mentioning Catwoman, naming only her civilian identity, Selina Kyle.

Is that because Hathaway won't be suiting up in this film? Or is it because they're trying to sneak Catwoman under the PR radar? Then again, the initial announcement of Harvey Dent didn't mention Two-Face, and we know how that turned out.

If Bane is the anti-Batman, Catwoman is more like a reverse-Batman, carefree, self-interested and more about the thrill of the chase than the satisfaction of the kill. Given that in Nolan's last two Batman films, only two characters have managed to crack a smile (and one of those was insane), it's hard to see what role she might play in the film. Certainly, it seems unlikely we'll see much of the upbeat, flirty and sexually tense relationship Kyle and Wayne have in the comics. Particularly not if Bane is around to given Batman hell.

The casting of Anne Hathaway isn't necessarily a bad idea. If Nolan could see the Joker in the guy from A Knight's Tale and Brokeback Mountain, there's no specific reason to question his judgement in choosing Anne Hathaway. We just need to hope he remembers this time to give his female characters something to do in this film (except die). The real question - the real uncertainty - is about what sort of story could tie together Bane and Catwoman, two characters so vastly different in tone and scope.

Has Nolan found a way to make it work? Honestly, I struggle to see how it can be done. But, if anyone can...

Maybe in the end, the truth is that Nolan genuinely finds these characters more interesting than any of the other options. Or maybe he just likes the challenge of rehabilitating characters whose last screen outings were so terrible, in much the same way he rehabilitated Batman.

All we can do now is sit, wait, and try not to be too judgemental about the most baffling superhero movie developments to come out of Hollywood since, er, the X-Men: First Class teaser image.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By mugwump 1 January 20, 2011 07:55:47 AM

Well thank god thats over and all the fanboys can move on from their 'expert' opinion on how they would write a Batman film to the familiar ground of bitching about character and cast decisions. So. It. Goes. And for the record, Anna Hathaway in a catsuit? Win

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By apeinflames 1 January 20, 2011 09:31:33 AM

The Knightfall storyline was one that really jumped out at me as "Nolan-able". Smug very. Excited v much!

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By DraconianOne 1 January 20, 2011 10:08:38 AM

In Batman: Dark Victory (which follows The Long Halloween, from which The Dark Knight took several cues) Selina Kyle is revealed to likely be the illegitimate daughter of Carmine Falcone. Dark Victory also opens with Batman brooding about how he failed to prevent Harvey Dent turning into Two Face. Couple that with Bane becoming a member of the League of Assassins and R'as Al Ghul's new right hand man in "Bane of the Demon" (they team up to unleash a plague on Gotham - sound familiar?) and Nolan's decisions begin to make more sense in terms of tying up his supposed trilogy.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By Viridis 1 January 20, 2011 10:34:32 AM

I still think Hardy could've made a great Hugo Strange but I trust in Nolan to make this storyline work.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By Scott 1 January 20, 2011 10:40:50 AM

Mr Zsasz was already in Batman Begins, and was played by Tim Booth, lead singer of indie group James.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By lozzer 1 January 20, 2011 10:53:08 AM

Well that's an interesting development. The Hugo Strange saga is over... who started that bloody rumour? Got no idea where this will go but it sounds like it will be a very different kind of film to the last one which can only be a good thing. Not that there was anything wrong last time, The Dark Night was great, but it's good to go in a new direction for all concerned.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By cordas2 1 January 20, 2011 11:55:00 AM

I can see a very sexy and sexually provocative Selina Kyle in this movie, distracting Wayne/ Batman and keeping him out of sorts as Bane sets out to destroy him.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By Geordie2004 1 January 20, 2011 12:24:45 PM

Yay! I'm delighted about this, I've said two or three times here before that Bane would be a great fit in Nolan's universe (possibly with the modifications that James mentioned). Looking forward to seeing how it all works out! Also, it'll be interesting to see what role Catwoman/Selina Kyle plays in the events of the film.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By HMSBEEFNUTS 1 January 20, 2011 12:42:46 PM

Anyone else think the title could refer to Batman rising up after being broken (in some way) by Bane?

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By library_guy 1 January 20, 2011 01:54:46 PM

I now just wanna hear Tom Hardy growl "BREAK YOU!" whilst snapping Christian Bale like Sean Connery with a 9 Iron.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By HarrisonFord 1 January 20, 2011 02:14:35 PM

I enjoyed 'The Dark Knight' but i didn't love it. there were too many characters. Nolan is a very talented man, but the addition of Catwoman is all too obvious. Maybe I'll just catch this on DVD.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By KWillyvox 1 January 20, 2011 03:58:13 PM

I get that some folks weren't blown away by TDK...but it's time to let go.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By campfreddie 1 January 20, 2011 08:19:55 PM

Looking at some of the comments on here it seems to me that film is going to be a flop of Biblical proportions because Christopher Nolan is directing it and not certsin Den of Geek users. Personally I'm not gonna endlessly debate for the next 18 months over what Nolan should or shouldn't do with it-I'm more interested in seeing what he *does* do with it! So what if it's not 100% true to its' source (what film is?), as long as he succeeds in entertaining the majority of cinema goers (acknowledging the fact that there will always be haters...) then in my book He'd have done a good job. So can we just let Nolan get on and finish the damn thing before we throw him to the lions. Please?

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By campfreddie 1 January 20, 2011 08:21:00 PM

*certain...lol

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By ReeferSutherland 1 January 23, 2011 06:04:03 AM

Executive Produced by:Richard Donner Produced by:Michael Bay Written by: Shane Black Directed by: Brett Ratner Starring: Colin Farrell & Idris Elba

Re: The Dark Knight Rises: how will Bane and Catwoman fit in?
Posted By BigH 1 January 24, 2011 01:55:48 PM

Although I'm not too happy with Anne Hathaway (but I second the above notion: "If Nolan could see the Joker in the guy from A Knight's Tale and Brokeback Mountain, there's no specific reason to question his judgement in choosing Anne Hathaway."), I always said that the inclusion of Catwoman in the next Batman movie would be great. Not just from a "Put a sexy girl in a tight costume" point of view (although that has its merits as well...), but from a storytelling point of view. After "The Dark Knight" Batman was an outlaw. Therefore it would make perfect sense if he seeks help from another character outside the law to clear his name and restore his reputation. And Catwoman clearly is not a law-abiding citicen, but she's not an evil super-villainess either. So she could support Batman in his fight against Bane (maybe because of personal/purely egoistic reasons; I'm sure Nolan would make the story work) without being one of the good guys like Commissioner Gordon or Lucius Fox; even if she's not yet Catwoman, "just" Selina Kyle, she is a good choice for the next movie. I don't know much about the Bane character, but from what I read he seems to be an interesting opponent. I'll wait and see on this one.
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