Collider's scoop last Friday managed to semi-calm the blast wave of fanboy wrath (some of it ours) at the notion that Ridley Scott's original Alien was to be remade. Turns out the planned film is a prequel. Whether this kills the possibility of Alien 5 or realises it (the Alien multiverse was already spaghetti junction - could the new film be considered Alien 0?), a lot of Top 10 Contenders For New Ripley lists have been ripped up half-written, and that's a good thing.
Alien fans who are familiar with the excellent documentaries on the Quadrilogy edition - and the various commentaries on the films - will have heard a lot of excited speculation and flights-of-fancy about a prequel, from the likes of concept artist Ron Cobb, Sigourney Weaver, Ridley Scott, prosthetic effects chief Tom Woodruff, producers David Giler and Walter Hill, and numerous other franchise luminaries.
Much of the talk has been about how a prequel could take us to the aliens' home world - but there's been confusion as to which culture was being referred to...
THE SPACE-JOCKEY
In Alien two extra-terrestrial cultures are depicted: the insect-like xenomorphs and the technologically advanced race of whom the only remnant example is the 'space jockey'.

The space-jockey himself was derived from a production sketch that Ridley Scott took a shine to, but proved to be one of many set-requests initially nixed by the line producer and the roving team of paranoid and penny-pinching executives that plagued Pinewood during the movie's production (the set was later offered to Scott as a fait accomplis for the great footage he was turning out).

The space-jockey embodies H.R. Giger's favourite themes: death, sex and disgust, with bones becoming melded to technology. He seems to be some sort of gunner or telescope operator - yet in the production sketch the projecting tube is pointing only at what appears to be light in a curved wall, with no means either of firing out or of viewing the stars. If it is a window, it has as narrow an aperture as any archer had to contend with in medieval times.
In addition, the fuselage of the 'cannon' is not only phallic but directing out from the space-jockey's hip area; we seem to come across the huge creature in a Pompeii-like moment of lonely sexual activity, frozen by the advent of the xenomorph that has burst out of its chest. It's a poetic image, and it might take a bit of a plot-hack to give it a practical slant.

The problem with sequels is that they have to make sense of stuff which was thrown into the originals that spawned them mostly by dint of being 'cool' or intriguing. Thus Neo's powers of flight, which made such a cool end to the original The Matrix had to be embarrassingly persistent in the sequels; and Michael J. Fox's girlfriend being immediately 'knocked out' by Doc Brown at the start of Back To The Future Part II; and even the walk-on parts in the original Tremors getting their own Tremors sequel.
You kind of have to project backwards and force it to make sense post facto. This might be problematic for an Alien prequel for many reasons…
Not least the space-jockey himself. He is patently part of a machine, and the machine is patently part of the (now derelict) spaceship. Was he bred for the purpose by his race? Or will the prequel show him ambulatory and getting into the 'empty' telescope/cannon and a whole lot of CGI cyber-bones wrapping round him, like Tony Stark's Iron Man suit?
That would solve a problem, but it's hokey and the design of the original space-jockey doesn't support it. The space-jockey is growing out of the chair. That's an insane idea from Giger's bizarre and brilliant imagination, but it might take a young David Lynch to make the concept workable in an Alien prequel. I can't say I envy Carl Rinch the task.
THE EGGS IN THE DERELICT SHIP

Likewise problematic the reason that all those eggs were in the cargo hold of the derelict in Alien. Were they laid there by a long-dead Aliens-style xenomorph queen after the ship got infested, like the Nostromo, by a single alien? Or are they genetically-engineered weapons created by the space-jockey race to drop on enemies in a ghastly act of biological warfare?
Ridley Scott and others have commented on the space-jockey that his race seems to have been pacific by nature, perhaps more so than mankind. Yet Dark Horse's comics spin-offs and various other Alienverse novels and spins have been providing a wealth of alternative possibilities since the late 1980s.
Michael Jan Friedman's Aliens: Original Sin names the space-jockey race as the Mala'kak, whilst Steve Perry's 1992 novel Earth Hive calls them 'the collectors'. Graphic novel writer Mark Verheiden instead depicts the space-jockeys as a war-like race in the vein of the Predators, but ones who are only holding off their enslavement of the human race until the galaxy is dis-infested of their common enemy - the xenomorphs. Another spun-off origin story for the space-jockey came from the creators of ALIEN - The official authorised movie magazine. You can find the piece here, but fundamentally it suggests that history was pretty much repeating itself when the colonists met their grim fate on LV-426 in James Cameron's Aliens. In this set-up, the space-jockey race had been searching for lifeless worlds to colonise, and their sweeps for life-forms on the apparently barren planet had not registered the 'dormant' alien eggs, which woke up enough to wipe out three successive landing parties, each more heavily-armed than the last (the last being the space-jockey's own doomed mission from Alien).
(This doesn't necessarily establish LV-426 as the xenomorph home world - flies don't really have a native country as a species, and a xenomorph culture is merely an 'infestation' in the terms of more civilised societies. Who knows how many millennia these acid-spewing nasties have been stowing away and spreading their unique brand of havoc throughout the galaxy?)
Scott et al have also suggested other theories regarding the space-jockey, including that the apparent rough similarity in physiognomy between the two alien races is because the xenomorphs are biological weapons, or super-soldiers derived from space-jockey DNA. Thus the protective 'blue layer of light' over the egg-weapons in the cargo hold.

But what sense does that make? As soon as Kane breaks the beam of light, the little fellers start twitching. Why would any military party set a trap on board its own ship?
The fundamental problem here is how dated the Holoco laser-effects are in the sequence where John Hurt descends to investigate the egg. The camera is kept at a low angle in order to disguise the fact that the blue layer emanates from a single light source, but these days it doesn't look like anything but a late 1970s disco laser. James Cameron didn't keep the blue-light device in the finale of Aliens, so it must have been space-jockey tech, right?
But in my opinion Cameron also thought it was a protective xenomorph tripwire, a luminous gas to give the creepy creatures the heads up on a new victim approaching - but one that would have been too hard to make work in his own explosive confrontation between Ripley and the alien queen.
THE HUMAN ELEMENT

It's going to take some work to get the human race involved in a prequel set-up for Alien. In the original movie, Weyland-Yutani's diversion of the Nostromo to LV-426 seems an opportunistic - if rather heartless - approach to new business acquisitions. The crew of the Nostromo are heading back from a long and gruelling spell of work in the Solomons when they are told to investigate the space-jockey's 'distress' signal or forfeit their shares. They'll later find out that they are all entirely 'expendable', so long as the valuable bug makes its way back to the Weyland-Yutani research labs.
Clearly the company is way ahead of the crew's efforts to decipher the signal, which obviously contains a pretty detailed description of the xenomorph and its potential capability as a military weapon.
The science-officer Ash turns out to be an android planted by the company to protect its interests, but at no point is it suggested that the Nostromo shipped out of Earth with Ash on board specifically to protect the alien. If the distress-signal is public-domain and has reached Earth, and (as at least one of the Aliens comics suggested) other military powers might be just as interested in it...why send the Nostromo off to accomplish its mining remit for years before diverting it to LV-426 on the return journey? Any other interested power aware of the information could just send a ship straight to the planet and comfortably beat Weyland-Yutani to the prize.
No, the suggestion is that Ash is on board as a 'mole' because of a general company policy of spying on its workers, and that the entirely surprising advent of the space-jockey's signal is exactly the kind of thing the company needs an 'inside man' for.
Paul Anderson's risible 2004 prequel Aliens Vs. Predator didn't even make a significant dent in this back-story, since it presented Lance Henrikson as the 'template' of Aliens' Bishop and co-founder of Weyland Yutani - and then killed him off. Anderson admitted as much in a 2005 edition of Movie Magic, declaring "…there's nothing in [Alien Vs. Predator] that contradicts anything that already exists".
All the company needed to do to 'look good for the records' and not be beaten to the punch was to divert the Nostromo on the way out. If, that is, they knew about LV-426 in advance of the mission. But let's face it, the way Alien is set up, they didn't.

The Nostromo was obviously the nearest ship available anywhere - if other powers on Earth had decoded the message and were sending ships to LV-426 to retrieve a xenomorph, they weren't going to beat the Nostromo, which was in the wrong place at the wrong time...at least according to the O'Bannon/Shusett script.
In my opinion, some nasty acts of canon-hacking will be needed to suggest that there were adequate human machinations to generate an entire film prior to the Nostromo's involvement.
But what choice is there, if this is the road the producers have chosen? The chances of Alien 0 dealing entirely with an expensive CGI/prosthetics space-jockey civilisation are pretty remote, not least because such an outlandish project doesn't tick all the demographic boxes for the target audience (who are almost inevitably going to be young teenagers, I fear). The producers will be needing pretty faces to shroud in face-huggers - and probably younger ones than featured in the original movie.
ALIEN 0 OR ALIEN 5?
In light of these and other problems, may I strongly recommend that they return to the long-awaited Alien 5 instead? We know Sigourney Weaver costs money (and that this has always been an issue with the Alien movies after the first), but she's always been worth it. And unless the intention is to spin off the Alien canon into a new side-alley as J.J. Abrams did with Star Trek, we just don't seem to fit into the picture until the original Alien movie rumbles into view.
"I’d like to see [the Alien sequels] stop. A horror movie’s a fragile thing, and once you’ve gotten past the original, it isn’t scary anymore."
Dan O'Bannon, creator of Alien.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By neozyem 1 June 1, 2009 04:24:36 PM
Forget the movie sequel/prequels. They should do a TV show. Maybe about a marine unit going around the universe on a bug hunt.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By Daveo 1 June 2, 2009 05:56:01 AM
The company didn't send the colonists in Aliens to look for the crashed ship until after Ripley returned to earth and told them about it. Therefore they didn't even know about the ship until Ripley told them
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By twosheds 1 June 2, 2009 07:04:22 AM
Daveo - yeah but since they knew about the distress signal and lost an expensive spaceship to it, why did they send colonists there at all? Methinks a memo got lost.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By JZaffuto65 1 June 3, 2009 01:06:01 AM
ok, so we all know governments like secrets. well what if, and big what if, there was a military op by humans first. then their failure and distress call was answered by the s-j? Obviously that failed, the gov or responsible parties played it off as never having happened and then send ripley and crew in in order to get the specimen back to earth?
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By actaylor 1 June 3, 2009 08:49:50 AM
The writer has answered the question himself - for plot reasons which he explains, any prequel cannot involve LV-426. However, xenomorphs are an infestation, so its entirely possible that "The Company" or another organisation has been searching for signals for a while, including potential previous failed missions, before intercepting the LV-426 signal and redirecting the Nostromo.
That being said, I agree that this prequel is a very bad idea. But the idea of another sequel set in post-apocalyptic France interests me just as little.
I think just ignoring Alien Resurrection would be a good idea, setting a new sequel with an entirely new cast, in the aftermath of Ripley's death on Fiorina 161.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By Olmy 1 June 3, 2009 09:34:46 AM
I dont disagree that the blue light layer was a trap, but it is possible to see it as protection for the spacejockey race. Making the eggs not notice any movement outside/over the layer.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By DavidFullam 1 June 3, 2009 10:06:55 PM
Please forward this article to the filmmakers! Someone needs to keep them on their toes.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By AlienFanatic 1 June 3, 2009 10:17:34 PM
To be honest, I don't see any real obstacles to a sequel that returns to LV-426 and backtraces the Alien species to its origin. The beauty of the design in Alien, including the Jockey, is that it all comes from the mind of one man - Giger. His "biomechanical" design is consistent througout, rendering the Alien as a homogenous facet of the derelict spaceship. There's nothing to say that the creature that's sitting in the chair is not, in fact, some kind of pilot who represents an advanced species that created the 'alien' as a form of biological weapon. In design, they fit together nicely. (Even the fact that the Jockey is growing out of the chair should suggest that the aliens have begun to integrate themselves with their own technology, which is a pretty cool idea that's been explored before.) The eggs would make sense if the Jockey was carrying them as a form of "bomb load" but someone made a boo-boo.
I could totally foresee a sequel that has a crew returning to the derelict--long ago buried by the explosion of the colony at Hadley's Hope--only to discover that the console the Jockey was at has some form of techology that they can use to back trace it to the origin. We could then see the world the Alien came from, but perhaps they could entice Giger to design a whole culture of Jockey-styled aliens that might even out-horrify the Aliens themselves.
A true "origin" story won't work, simply because there's no human element to tell the tale. Hearing a bunch of Aliens screech for two hours would bore even the most hardcore geek.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By MrDalliard 1 June 3, 2009 11:24:31 PM
It is more than very strongly suggested that Ash is aboard for the purpose of retrieving an alien. Firstly, Dallas tells Ripley that after shipping out five times with another science officer, that officer was replaced by Ash two days prior to the mission. Secondly, Special Order 937, "NOSTROMO REROUTED TO NEW COORDINATES. INVESTIGATE LIFE FORM. GATHER SPECIMEN. PRIORITY ONE..." is classified "Science Officer's Eyes Only."
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By twosheds 1 June 5, 2009 10:08:20 PM
MrDalliard - so they replaced Ash at the last minute to get the alien just to let him spend years supervising the mining operation in the Solomons before achieving the Nostromo's 'secret mission'? They sure weren't in a rush, considering that space-jockey signal was going to get around the entire system. The 're-routing' could have been planned in advance, but it doesn't read that way. Also, anything the crew might object to (like being 'expendable'), you can bet that Weyland-Yutani would make exclusive to their on-board puppet. Dallas's comments about the substitution are in there to create tension and suspicion against Ash, something Scott has built up from very early on by other means.
Even if these things did prove that the company knew about the xenomorph at mission launch, the problem would remain that David Giler and Walter Hill grafted the 'Ash' sub-plot straight onto the O'Bannon/Shusett script without considering how it might change the core set-up of the story. It really does make no sense at all to take care of this bit of business 'on the way back' if that's what the mission was all about all along.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By MarvMarble 1 June 11, 2009 04:59:17 PM
Apologies if these points are covered by other posters. I'm writing my thoughts as I read through the review.
"He is patently part of a machine, and the machine...
The space-jockey is growing out of the chair."
They did state in the film that it's remains were fossilized. This suggests the apparent fixture to the apparatus might just be a product of time. That's not to say he isn't part of the machine, but it allows for him to be more mobile to and renders the 'wraparound' interface concept a bit less hokey.
It does create other problems though, in that such fossilization would normally take thousands of years. Is the prequel going to be just and alien vs Alien saga then? Or will humans appear? If the latter, surely it should happen after the ship's crash? I suspect they won't make a big deal out of the fossilization though. It is an alien environment after all, and there could be other enviromental factors at work.
The 'mist' stuff covering the eggs accounts for their condition at least as it might be some kind of alien stasis filed thing.
"Scott et al have also suggested other theories regarding the space-jockey, including that the apparent rough similarity in physiognomy between the two alien races is because the xenomorphs are biological weapons, or super-soldiers derived from space-jockey DNA."
I like that interpretation. Even if the xenomorphs* are not bioweapons created by the jockeys, it makes sense that they'd come from the same planet at least. Either that, or the xenomorph queen hatched from a jockey taking those characteristics as her own and passing it on to her offspring. We don't know that ALL similar traits come from the current host after all. Some could be generational.
"As soon as Kane breaks the beam of light, the little fellers start twitching. Why would any military party set a trap on board its own ship?"
I don't think it's a trap. The warning from the Jockey ship was later interpreted as a warning after all. The field could just be a stasis thing to keep the eggs from hatching en route until they're deployed.
"In light of these and other problems, may I strongly recommend that they return to the long-awaited Alien 5 instead?"
I think that would be a good idea. I DO want to know more about the alien's origins, but that can be dealt with in a sequel too. I.e. the characters could come across the Aliens origin planet and piece together what happened... And we could have Sigourney as you say.
*for want of a better word, the word actually means 'alien shape' and thus includes all aliens, but it's come to be associated with these critters, so fair enough.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By MarvMarble 1 June 11, 2009 05:09:39 PM
This-"The warning from the Jockey ship was later interpreted as a warning after all." should read:
"The apparent distress call from the Jockey ship was later interpreted as a warning..."
And a good point from one of the poster's that the prequel need not feature LV-426 at all.
I agree with the article writer that the company probably didn't plan for the Nostromo to be diverted to the planet from the start. Appart from the reasons given it would be costly for one thing. And surely they'd send a ship of marines and scientists who were better prepared. That doesn't mean they haven't encountered the xenomorphs before though. I agree the Alien Vs Predator films do not contradict the Alien films at all. (At least the first AvP film doesn't. I haven't seen Requiem yet.)
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By solaco111 1 June 12, 2009 04:54:39 PM
I completely agree with the TV show idea, maybe not a group of marines though... but that would eb superior to the films. Alien Ressurection proved that Ripley has reached her full potential, they need some new characters for the tv show, but they could easily have people like lance henriksen making appearences, maybe it focuses on him? or the company?
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By hiab-x 1 July 24, 2009 12:07:21 PM
Good article. I have to agree with Dan O'Bannon's sentiments that there really shouldn't be another film.
I remember the original movie as being a 'Perfect storm' of talents. It was pioneering in its time, It was genuinely horrific and served its purpose with precision.
The Cameron angle was an interesting metamorphosis of genre.
I even think the Fincher movie was a suitable (If not problematic) return to form and a fitting conclusion.
The problem is, as O'Bannon has already stated, Fox will be looking at the best way to appeal to a certain demographic. If we have to go down the road of pleasing the modern teenage mentality as a priority in green-lighting the script, then we are ultimately going to get another no-brainer alien flick that only serves to underline what made the original movie so special.
Can anyone honestly say that if 'Alien' (Unadulterated) was pitched to the studios today, that it would ever be made ?
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By garyisabusyguy 1 July 31, 2009 08:14:37 PM
You are being entirely too linear! The Alien prequel does not have to feature the space jockey or how the organic ship came to be on the planetoid.
All that the prequel needs to do is explain how the Company came to know about the xenomorph and build a connection between the xenomorphs and the communications used by the builders of the organic ships.
Having identified those two elements it is fairly easy to develop motivation for the Company to place 'agents' (in the form of Ash who they thought was not susceptable to the xenomorph's 'charms) on deep space ships hoping to run into errant communications that could lead them to more xenomorphs.
It leads to a lot of additional plot devices; the relationship between the space-jockey and the Predators, the relationship between Predators and ancient humans (were they engineered into xenomorphs to attack the space-jockeys), the ascent of Predators from a 'young' race to equal the space-jockey's race, or even the origin of the xenomorphs as a weapon the the space-jockeys developed to kill of the Predators and their human pawns...
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By stefoid 1 July 31, 2009 11:50:59 PM
Good points - the wreck/jockey is really old but the eggs are fresh. therefore the blue light being protection is plausible. To me it looks like the aliens and the xenos are biologically related - at least from the same planet. And if the jockey is protecting the egss, then they have some sort of close relationship. Either symbiotic or perhaps even different stages of life-cycle like a caterpilar/butterfly type of deal. Dont have a problem with jockey being integrated into the ship. These things are buglike 'queen' and 'workers' and so on. Perhaps that particular bug was born and destined to become a spaceship pilot for life, permanently integrated with the ship itself. If they have a relationship, why is the jockey been infested? An accident or by natural design, like certain spiders that each each ther while mating ro whatever? While intersting, it robably doesnt matter in the context of the prequal. The last thing that might mater is the signal - are the jockeys benign and really sent a warning, or are they predatory and sent out a trap signal to lure suckers?
wait, one other though - the hole in the huge jockey alien is a hige hole. What came out of that?! certainly not one of the little little cat sized aliens that comes ut of the humans. Maybe what comes out is related to the size of the host. Maybe the human-sized baby aliens are like premmies that arent developed enough?
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By stefoid 1 July 31, 2009 11:56:31 PM
my favourite line is that they are the same species that start life as an egg that needs a host, even if that host turns out to be their own kind. Then they hatch and become infant aliens that are fierce and numerous, but not so smart. These feed and after a while they go into a coccon or sometig similar and develop into much larger and smarter beings, like a queen (breeder) or jockey (space pilot) etc... There might be large, smart alien adults that are designed to be warriors, and use technological weapons as well ?!?!?!
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By tendril 1 August 1, 2009 11:39:15 AM
I always thought that the Cameron angle weakened the terror of the alien by making it a hive creature. I remember reading the book and it was suggested that the original alien could impregnate a host which would form a cocoon and thus a facehugger. This meant that a single alien could reproduce whilst there were suitable hosts.
It seemd to be a two stage creature... One stage was a dormant facehugger... perhaps it could survive for a very long time, using the nutrients fromn the host. Then it used another host to birth. But having a queen lay eggs.... kill the queen, kill the nest (like ants or termites)
I don't have a problem with the space jockey thing.... it was fossilised. This takes millions of years on earth... but fossilisation on earth happens when creatures are buries in very specific conditions. Maybe the jockey's fossilisation was chemical???
As for the question of how the crew came to find the creature and what the companies plans were prior to the mission: Weyland Co is portrayed and a large company. Maybe they had many ships on missions. The science officer's orders could have been beamed to the ship whilst the crew was in stasis. Dallas says that Ash was replaced 2 days before the mission. We don't know that the mission started from Earth. Perhaps the oil refinery ship had been hopping from world to world collecting fuel until it had a complete payload. Each hop could have been seen as a mission. Perhaps the total mission time of the shipo was many years, with other crews piloting it for different stages. Therefore Ash could have been crow-barred onto the ship just before it's last leg.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By woodn 1 August 3, 2009 07:03:41 PM
I have a solution to most, if not all, of the problems. Read on and let me know your thoughts:
The Nostromo was not the first human ship to detect the signals, nor was it the first to land on LV-426. Another company ship detected the signals, landed on the planet, investigated the derelict craft, and identified that what the company was looking for was here. Now... how to get a sample back to earth? Unfortunately the company team on the planet arent keen to try to uplift an egg, nor do any of those present want to be implanted.
Perhaps for the sake of a worthwhile and scary movie, one or more of that search party *do* get implanted, just so we actually see some aliens.
Anyway, theres no way to get a specimen back to earth, that much is clear. Solution? Lo and behold, a conveniently passing mining vessel, the Nostromo, complete with compliant science officer onboard. Reroute them to the planet, uplift a specimen, return it to earth. Good work everyone, handshakes in the board room, etc.
A tale of corporate greed and the ordinary worker getting screwed? Cliche but topical in this economic climate.
Your thoughts?
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By langers2275 1 August 7, 2009 06:16:10 AM
ok first off prequeling aliens will not be hard at all. they can tie it in with avp 1 by having WJ having files from a pda type device remotely uploaded to a company server. feasable and explains the nostromo reroute and the orders if you accept that the file was uncovered after the launch and completion of mining mission. the signal could have been recieved by nostromo and relayed for translation to the company, initiating reroute after notation was found. you could even have it written as a company myth about it's excentric founder and then found to be true after decoding the signal.
a creative writer can very easily take the current lore, and wrap it into a believable story line makeing a closer bond between the avp and the original saga.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By Johnnn78 1 August 12, 2009 04:05:58 PM
A prequel movie would be great if the whole movie were born by Giger's imagination. Space jockey is just an attestation of an archaic and remote alien society. Repeat the thematic role of Space Jockey would be obsolete.
In my opinion the key is Giger's artwork. Alien's role could be secondary (why not?) in a trilogy of prequels (an anti Star Wars?) Alien eggs as biological weapons, a techinical incident, the biomechanic pilot infected, the starship disaster. An hypothetical prequels could include the Space Jockey's starship disaster, that's is the beginnig of Alien Saga.
An original prequel would be an all alien star war in the pure giger style/ giger's alien gods' wars.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By SPACED2020 1 August 13, 2009 12:20:40 AM
One simple plot would be to have an independent salvage team locate the crash site prior to the events in Alien. After investigating the located the orgin of the ship and set off to find it in search of fame and a lucrative salvage. The story could then centre around them. This would avoid trying to hamstring the company into the plot and therefore avoid any continuity problems in the story. It would also solve the potential problem of not having humans in the plot.
Alternatively the company could send a recon ship to the crash site prior to the Nostromo. Instead of wasting time having the recon team bring back samples they send them off directly in search of the Alien planet safe in the knowledge that the Nostromo is on it's way back to earth and they can be diverted to "collect" samples from the crash site instead.
Although that does add fuel to the age old question of how the company managed to forget about the crash site between the 1st and 2nd films (Prehaps as sugguested previously, someone in the company office forgot to read the memo! lol).
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By johansunden 1 August 13, 2009 12:42:19 AM
Heres an idea that might work, maybe the space jockey was created by the aliens because they needed something to impragnate? That makes kinda sense? Like Ash says , perfekt organism, you cant kill it, right? And also, Ash allready knew about this xenomoph, that means the company knew about it to, so thats a slolution to the human problem? There was another ship who recieved the alien signal, and thats what we should get to se in alien 0. When they get killed of, and the company learns about the perfekt organism and then sends nostromo to this alien ship whith ash to bring the xenomorph to earth whith the crew as hosts. I do appologise for my bad english, but i realy want to se this movie made, I want to se the aliens as the discusting evil creeps Giger created, not the action figures fox made them by the goddamed avp movies. Just one last movie to remind people about how scarry they really are, so they dont se the aliens as a joke. And also about the first alien movies true meaning, the small human in the big company.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By Gekko_1 1 August 13, 2009 07:46:38 PM
OK guys, how does this sound for a possible solution to the prequel issues?
What about if the story doesn't, as such, relate back to LV426 and the Nostromo at all?
What about if the prequel tells the story of a Weyland Yutani exploration ship (I'm sure they'd have many of them) that sets off from Thedus to search out a new system that has been discovered by a robotic probe? One of the planets in
this newly discovered system is a huge earth-like planet that is teaming with many forms of life, not unlike Africa (minus its human population of course) in that it is a planet where herbivore and carnivore fight it out day after day, life versus death, like we have all seen in many a David Attenborough documentary. The difference here is that the planet itself is very alien to our own in that the "dust" that formed the giant system of sun and planets has spurned many a Giger-esk style of creature!
The ALIEN itself lives here, and always has. Its not a biological weapon, its just the dominant land predator of this particular planet, much like the lion is in Africa. As we know of dinosaur times, there are dominant predators and many and varied forms of herbivores on which to prey on. On this particular planet the ALIEN has, over time, evolved into several variations of the type we witnessed onboard the Nostromo. (Cameron's invention of a Queen & hive have no place here).
The planet is predominantly covered by giant jungles in which the ALIEN thrives, albeit in small numbers. Also present are several deserts and of course vast oceans. No creatures of fur or feather live on this strange world. Insect, reptile and aquatic designs were the ones that proved adaptable and desirable on this world. Most of the creatures that live on this world are familiar to us; however they all have that little genetic tweak that only our friend Mr Giger could birth! That makes them familiar, yet at the same time quite 'alien' to us.
The skies of the alien world are commonly a sickly translucent olive green/brown shade. The clouds thick with a life form like microscopic krill that turn the clouds their unique colour, thus making the place look like the setting of a Giger painting. The giant jungles are full of carnivorous plants, some fixed in place, some able to move around looking for food. The ALIEN does not have the dominance all to itself either for it has to fight for survival too! It too can be captured and eaten by the plant life on this planet and it has at least two periods in its life cycle that make it most vulnerable. One being, when it has to shed its skin, like a crab, and has to shelter whilst its exoskeleton hardens. The second when it is in its egg stage and the creatures 'mother' has to hide ‘her’ egg amongst a particular plant species 'fruit' in order to protect it from scavengers, a little like the Cuckoo hides its egg in another birds nest!
And THAT fact brings me to the Space Jockey! Indeed a peaceful race of creatures, very akin to our whale and or dolphin in demeanour. The Space Jockey race has been coming to this world for many thousands of years. They come here for two reasons, one is that they are vegetarians and this world has an abundance of delicacies (fruit) that the Space Jockey race find irresistible, the second is to study and explore the many and varied life forms that inhabit this massive world.
In fact what we see the remains of on LV426 is the craft of one such mission that landed on LV426 following an horrific incident halfway through the return trip. The craft the Space Jockey's use is in fact the shell of a giant mollusc that grows on the Space Jockey's home world and in the bowls of this ship, protected under the blue light of its environmental control system are thousands of, not "eggs" as Kane thought, but "fruit" of many different types, and in amongst the fruit on this particular trip were a couple of ALIEN eggs! The eggs did not react when being collected because they were not mature yet, and to the Space Jockey looked every bit like the rest of the fruit of the particular tree from under which it was collecting from on that fateful day. Shape, size, weight, texture, smell and look between a maturing ALIEN egg and the fruit of this particular tree are almost exactly the same, its only the contents of the egg that differ!
The egg, upon reaching maturity in the temperature controlled cargo bay of the Space Jockey ship, hatched and sought a host. It found a host, the pilot, sitting at the controls of its giant telescope as it looked at the stars on its way back home. Fighting off the facehugger it realised something had gone terrible wrong and set off an automatic distress/warning device that set the craft down on the nearest world. Upon regaining consciousness the Space Jockey re-set the message as a warning knowing somehow that it was doomed to its fate. The eruption of the tiny baby ALIEN through the massive bones of the chest of the Space Jockey caused the ALIEN's skin to split and rupture, upon falling off the giant telescope, as the Space Jockey died, it bled its acidic contents out on the floor eating through the floor. The dying baby ALIEN fell though the floor to land in the fertile alkaline soil of the cargo bay where it died. The craft, its pilot, dead baby ALIEN and the remaining fertile egg remained there for thousands of years until those famous words were spoken that fateful day.
"It’s like the goddamn tropics in here!"
So, the story, could unfold with these explorers landing on this amazing planet to discover not only its wide assortment of flora and fauna, but also two races of creatures; one explorers like themselves, and the other a life form that has many versions in its life cycle, a survivor, and a threat to both races of space farers!
I see no reason why this exploration ship could not have left the massive space port of Thedus (mentioned by Dallas when he explains to Ripley that Ash was replaced two days prior to their departure from there) at around the same time as the Nostromo? Just like any busy sea port or airport, Thedus would have many ships going to it and departing from it on any given day.
Why does any prequel or sequel to ALIEN have to involve 'Marines', biological weapons, alien wars or mass egg hatchings? Computer graphics has surely evolved to the point now where the creations of our imaginations can be produced on screen to wow us with the awe of human imagination and creativity! Why can't we embrace something truly wonderful instead of death and destruction all the time! Why can't we show our kids something else, give them another choice! I clearly remember back in 1979 standing in the cinema foyer looking at that movie image of the Space Jockey and being truly blown away by what I saw. Then, to see it as Kane climbs to the top of the rise, the camera pulls back, and there it is! THAT moment will live with me for the rest of my life as the most amazing cinematic moment ever! Lets show the new generation of cinema goers something more than explosions, pointless death and endless greed, lets show them something truly amazing!
Richard Chafer.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By woodn 1 August 16, 2009 11:55:44 AM
Richard, I fear your movie would be a documentary
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By cerveloguy 1 August 18, 2009 07:27:43 AM
Seriously, forget humans in this movie. Forget the company as that it is inappropriate. Any refernce to Predators is out of the question as this was a poor distraction from the real Alien movie-line.
To help the young boys undrestand, please appreciate that the company would have gone straight to the crash site had they know it existed. They did'nt know and hence the warning signal flagged down a passing ship, starting the chain of events as we know them. Pre-Nostromo landing needs to be non-human. The events of AVP etc are not true to the first movie.
Alternatively make it Alien 1.5 the events before Aliens on the planet or a concurrent story that shadows teh original ALien movie - the precious comapany there, watching and making events happen. I hate it but you Yanks seem to need humans and 'pretty faces' to hugger up..
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By wmmvrrvrrmm 1 September 7, 2009 03:32:14 PM
"The space-jockey himself was derived from a production sketch that Ridley Scott took a shine to"
I'd like to know what this is in reference to.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By wmmvrrvrrmm 1 September 7, 2009 03:53:33 PM
Oh are you referring to a production painting by Giger rather than a production sketch?
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By Dan_K 1 September 17, 2009 03:15:35 AM
Some bad facts in this article:
1) Dallas tells ripley that the robot science officer was put on board at the last minute. It's very much implied that Ash was put on board for the specific purpose of gathering the alien. It's also established that they don't have faster than light communication (no one answers when ripley is trying to communicate on the radio), so the company HAD to know in advance of shipping out about the alien life form in order to insert the special order "Bring back life form, all other priorities resilient. Crew Expendable".
2) In Alien, the company name is Weylan-Yutani, no D.
3) "[the space jockey] is patently part of a machine". This is never established, one of the characters says "it looks like he's growning out of the god damn chair"... but then again, the whole ship looks like rib cages, and It could be that it just looks like he's growing out of it as the character says, not that he actually is.
4) In Alien, it's never established that the blue light is "protective" or that it wakes up the creatures. Only that it reacts when touched. This could be interpreted in an infinite number of ways.
5) In my opinion, the whole idea of someone else maybe beating Weylan-Yutani to LV-426 has no basis from the movie Alien, and Scott would be entirely within his rights to ignore any follow on works. In fact Aliens ignores so many plot and story elements from Alien that in order to have Pre-lien be consistent to Alien, scott will have to ignore some of the changes that Cameron made in Aliens. In specific, in the movie Aliens, the company has no idea who/what/where the space jockey ship is (and never did). No, in my opinion, Scott can safely ignore the Alien franchise and movies and comics, songs, and lunch boxes, except for the original Alien.
As for Dan Obannon's comment; You'd probably say the same thing if you were no longer getting paid to write the scripts.
check out this thread for some unresolved things Id like to see in Alien:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/flat/147632767
Dan K
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By cerveloguy 1 September 23, 2009 09:49:08 AM
To dan K, The fact that a new science officer was put on board at the last minute explains why they were collectively not likley to know it was a robot. This does not indicate a set up. Had the Co known they would have gone straight to it. The crew expendable directiveis probably programmed in the event of that circumstance. I see no basis for the company knoaing in advance at all.
Ripley was trying to communicate with the team in teh derilict no? and therefore the hull blocked radio waves??
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By dagonweb 1 September 26, 2009 09:07:09 PM
This is all frivolously simple to explain, as long as you 'think outside the infantile hollywood box'.
Kane, the executive officer, found a large hole near the side of the Space Jockey's "turntable". The hole opened out into a pit, apparently burned through by acid. The crewman volunteered to go down and investigate.
Upon reaching the bottom he discovered that he was insidean enormous cave-like cargo space filled with thousands of "leathery objects like eggs," covered by a thin layer of blue mist that reacted when broken. Ridley Scott states during the Director's Commentary on the Alien Special Edition DVD that the eggs are the cargo of the Space Jockey's ship with the ship being a sort-of war ship designed to carry these biological weapons, or perhaps a science vessel carrying the eggs as cargo for scientific study. Closer study of the position and size of the egg chamber clearly suggests the egg chamber is located under the Derelict - the tunnel visible in the panoramic shot when kane descends is far bigger than the entire derelict spaceship. Any planetary geologist will explain what you see - this is a lava tube. Lava tubes can be very big on planets with a lower gravity and a low atmosphere. There are numerous massive lava tubes on both the moon and mars, which are yet to be explored but which are clearly visible from space photography. The derelict vessel must have crashed on the asteroid when the jockey pilot was infected, and when it emerged the alien must have burrowed through the ships hull, into the lunar underground. Which raises the question that the moon might in fact be riddled with tunnels, all full of eggs - literally for miles. These tunnels would still be dormant at the time Acheron is colonized, but the question is whether the process either terraforming - or that of an atmospheric processor detonating "within several hours drive" (the distance traversed by newts parents) would have either destroyed ... or awakened .. this dormant alien hive. It also strongly suggests the jockey and the alien might in fact not be related, and that the infection of jockey might have changed a "pretty dangerous species" (a proto pre-jockey alien) into a far more dangerous one after it was exposed to jockey DNA.
This route was explored by the first edition of Warhammer 40K, which interpreted the jockets as a form of early "tyrannids" and the aliens as a form of "genestealers". In later versions of 40K this distinction was dropped.
The cavernous space below the alien derelict vessel was called "the egg chamber" for obvious reasons, and is the scene of the first contact with the Alien organism, when the facehugger bursts out from one of the eggs, penetrates Kane's helmet (offscreen), and attaches itself to his face. The presence what amounts to a "warning layer" over the alien eggs remains a very troubling one. Who implemented the blue glowing haze, and what caused it to "react when broken" ? I agree this looks like a warning system, especially with the sound component. So who warned anyone this egg chamber would be dangerous? Certainly not the jockey; he would have been long dead after birthing an alien from his chest. Certainly the infection of jocket by an alien would have to be seen as contrary to alien ship operation, so it would be classified as an accidental exposure. But after crashing something or someone would have to have cause and reason to implement a warning barrier, and caution anyone wandering in. But that someone or something would have decided not to take steps to kill the eggs. My theory is that there were more aliens oln the derelict that the jocket - a'nd they survived the aliens escaping for at least weeks or months! .... after the aliens burrowed down in the lava tubes underneath the vessel. It would take quite a bit of time for the aliens to lay that many eggs and grow the visible structures seen in the egg chamber.
This would imply you can communicate and reason with the jockeys, and they have good enough reason to place "general and universal" warnings against the dangers posed by the eggs. These survivors would not have been able to destroy the eggs, and equally unable to leave Acheron. There is good reason to assume their remains are still there, but it equally likely the other survivors where eventually captured by the aliens as well. Either that or someone else visited the derelict (and the egg chamber) some time between the crash and the emergence of the Nostromo. An earlier humans expedition perhaps? One that has motive, means and resources to place the warning barrier ? Then why didn't they leave any other signs at the entrance of the Derelict?
So what would be a good storyhook?
Let's assume an underequipped expedition took place, probably one assume the alien signal to be a coax. Then let's assume Scott will treat alien 1-2 as mythos, and completely ignore alien4. Then let's assume the human society in which alien is embedded is (a) completely corporatized and dehumanized, (b) human relations havent changed much in the early to mid 22nd century, (c) the aliens depicted in the three movies were pathetic embryonic species barely having attained their full ponential and in all three movies we see what amounts to aliens assimilating and working from dormant terrestrial genes (dog, formant insect programming in humans, human). This would mean the aliens have a range of features barely even explored in the three movies and the aliens in aliens(2) mucking about clumsily with what amounts to an ant/termite lifecycle.
Giger intended the aliens to be vastly more menacing, in a lovercraftian way. These plotlines are very scary, but do not lend themselves well to either japanese or american story writers, who will also shoehorn the unfathomable terror of the existentially unknown or unknowable into recognizable images, cliche's or easily conveyable concepts. This is the tragedy of aliens, which let go of the gigerian legacy, and it is also the tragedy of Species, which takes the design but shoehorns the horror of the alien into a slasher monster with tentacles. The only way I can even start looking at the sheer terror Giger intended is to allude to the thing - but far more subtle.
If I were to write a storyline I'd pervade it with so mnany confusingh imagery and so many questions, the movie would traumatize and completely confuse viewers. I'd make it so bad, so much worse than anything seen before the spectactors would stagger out of the theaters in a state of total shellshock. I'd start on that premise - raising a LOT more questions than answers and showing a hostile universe far more lethal and corrosive than the pathetic drivel hollywood comes up with.
My expedition would have taken place months before the Nostromo incident. It would have been a very small, very hush-hush expedition, with few members. I'd establish very soon that earth flight control were very cautious about first contacts. I'd allude to a governmental hierarchy of humans, managed by AI-run corporations, very strict laws against dangerous research, where humans would be valued in relation to how much worth they'd have to the AI and corporate hierarchies. I'd paint a society both technologically advanced, from the perspective of late 20th century and early 21st century, but also terrified of "runaway effects". I'd do this by depicting a few very telltale shots of an almost dead earth, where only a few hundred million humans be left (most humans living in space) most of those living in enclosed arcologies and habitats. I'd give no firm answers. In the corner of the screen you'd see allusions to "quarantaine procedures" and earlier "exposure categories" and classifications of "other aliens", things the soldiers of aliens had no idea off, since they only worked in "throughly consolidated space".
The androids ash and bishop in all three movies would be depicted would be common, frighteningly so. Incidentally, for an alien5 I'd let ripley return, but not the actress signorney weaver - I'd take a pallid, shellshocked younger version of ripley - a lookalike actress - and let he discover halfway the movie she was in fact a reconstituted hyperdyne android with recorded "mindfile" memories of Ripley created (by bishop?) somewhere between 2 and 3. And I'd make this ripley version 2.0b android die in a sequel to bring home the terror.
But as for the prequel, *any* prequel needs answers, even if these answers lead to far more distressing questions - my expedition would find the derelict pre nostromo, with no warning layer over the eggs. In fact, they'd get infected, decode some parts of the message - and try to kill the host before gestation - and fail. Then they'd return to the derelict and I'd make them find things there more distressing than the aliens ... but nothing blatantly hollywood or overly cinematic.
In this prequel I'd make the corporation have massive arguments to want to have alien material, for research purposes, but obtain it through quarantaine, for clear political reasons. I'd move away from the speculation in contemporary human terms, without becoming all cosmic and manga and transcendant - nothing like "weapon divisions" or silly allusions to metaphors of our times. The alien would be for "advanced materials research" or stuff like that. I'd also establish a fullgrown alien wouldn't be merely a fast armored insect with acid for blood - I'd establish it as a one-creature ecological timebomb, containing genetic information not about a species of fast super-ants, but rather the genetic coding for a few thousand interlinked species, each as monstrous or far more monstrous than the mere alien. To do that I'd create a terrifying relationship between jockey and alien, and I'd have the first expedition find the missing crewman (something related to the jockey but... different... revolting... utterly inhumane...) and have that interact with the expedition.
Message - humanity has colonized and is inhabiting a feew dozen worlds in 2120, maybe five times that in 2150. The human halo of occupation is no more than hundreds of lightyears across, which would be consistent with travel speed of the nostromo (at 0.4ly per day the nostromo tug would take a year to cross that, and several years if it were pulling the refinery). The far reaches of human occupied space should be no further than 250 lightyears, and this would be largely worlds never visited by humanity or only visited by a few humans.
I'd establish a galaxy far more hostile and far more inconsistent with human values than anything ever seen before, all through a series of very brief interactions with something that even though it is far more advanced than any human, it is so alien in the prequel there is barely any basis for interaction or communication or understanding. The first expedition would end inescapably tragic, and I'd drive that point home to the people watching the movie the moviegoers would stagger out of the audience pale and shocked.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By dagonweb 1 September 26, 2009 09:09:17 PM
And yes, I wouldn't even "allude" to those silly predators in a prequel. I'd mock the whole idea of predators by completely cutting them from the whole fabric of spacetime in a prequel.
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By duda 1 October 19, 2009 02:41:02 PM
The greatest mistake of the star wars prequels was that it spent all its time trying to show off the new effects and tie in each and every little things that happens "later" into the new movie, and explain everything.
Alien was so awesome because it didn't explain anything... or it didn't spell it out for you anyway. Much was left as a mystery: you see things, you are left to wonder. It could be this, it could be that. Who the heck knows? It's anyone's best guess.
The Alien prequel should not have anything to do with the LV-426 planet at all, or the space jockey ship AT ALL. There should be no tie-in to that, period. It should simply be assumed that wherever those aliens came from, they somehow got onboard that ship and things went wrong and it crashed. That's for the original alien movie, not the prequel. The prequel needs to be about the origin of the alien, and at most tie in only by showing the jockey race alive and in great numbers with similar ships to the derelict. But that is not needed at all, and should be avoided. It should be brand new stuff, leaving viewers to draw their own conclusions on how we got from the prequel to the first film as far as that ship went.
I've always gone with the nostromo just happening to be the ship sitting around that catches the signal from the derelict ship. I assumed the company did not know anything about it and it was just an investigation. it could have been intended differently. And thats the beauty of it. You cant really know, and because of the vagueness of the film, they can go any way they want with it.
Humans will need to be integrated into the film in some way. that's easy though. humans don't have to exist only in our own time. They could have existed before, and been eliminated and what we are now is the re-born version. Or humans once waged war against the space jockey's, with the alien being their new weapon, or just plain humans never came from earth in the first place, they ended up there in the end running away from the war which destroyed everyone back from wherever they came from. I mean, come on, it's totally fictional. Humans originating from earth may not even be true anyway!
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By Stev 1 October 29, 2009 11:13:33 PM
Am I missing something? A few posters have suggested there must've been a lost memo to explain how the colonists ended up on LV-426. I thought that the reason they were there was obvious. Ripley was found after drifting in space for 50-odd years. It would've surely become obvious to the Company that their plan to pick up a specimen via the Nostromo had gone awry after all that time. When Ripley is found, revived and held to account for the destruction of the Nostromo the colonists are already on LV-426, most probably as part of the Company's diabolical plan rather than some bureaucratic oversight.
I mean, first of all, considering the Nostromo picked up the "distress" signal emitted from the space jockey's ship you have to wonder why the colonists' ships didn't pick it up on their arrival at the planet, unless the Company had made sure their equipment didn't pick it up until a time of their choosing. After the seeming failure of plan A (getting the Nostromo to pick up a specimen) plan B was clearly to dump a bunch of colonists on the planet to terraform it, allow them to discover the xenomorphs at a time of the Company's choosing and get a first hand experiment of how effectively the xenomorphs can wipe out a human settlement. The loss of contact with the colonists for seemingly no reason gives them a legitimate reason to go piling in and try and retrieve a specimen under controlled circumstances, through the plant Carter Burke. I mean, it would've been a pretty bad PR disaster if the Company had admitted any knowledge of the xenomorphs and the fact that they were a) sending a bunch of colonists to their death and b) sending in a group of marines to collect a specimen. No, of course they had to try and manipulate a situation, just as they did with the Nostromo, where they could make the discovery of the xenomorphs seem like an accident. By debating the legitimacy of Ripley's tale they maintain their own facade of innocence, and by sending the colonists to investigate the "distress" signal, which they suddenly noticed out of the blue (despite the Nostromo picking it up no problemo), they give themselves a legitimate reason to go to LV-426 armed to the hilt, mole onboard, and the potential to return with a specimen.
In my opinion, there is a whole world of opportunities they could explore in making a prequel. I think making a prequel is far preferable to making more sequels because it gets harder and harder to illicit genuine fear in your characters when they are increasingly knowledgeable about their enemy. Making a TV series with marines going bug-hunting would be little more than a Starship Troopers style satire on gung-ho marines, or a guns and guts fuelled action vehicle (like AVP 2) and you couldn't draw any genuine horror from it. Just as continuing Ripley's storyline can induce no such fear, terror or shock factor; she's been there, done that, knows what she's facing. As far as I'm concerned, Alien Resurrection was one step too far in the Ripley timeline. As much as I hated Alien 3 as a film I did think the premise of undermining the happily-ever-after ending of Aliens was a great idea, proving that she couldn't get away from this nightmare except in death. It's just a shame it wasn't executed as well as it could've been. Ripley's storyline should've ended with her death in Alien 3.
For me, a prequel re-opens the elements of fear and tension that the original film so perfected. The Company obviously found out about the xenomorph somehow, so why not explore that. Forget AVP 1 and 2, I don't acknowledge them as any source of the origins of the Company's knowledge of the xenomorphs. So how do the Company know there are aliens out there worthy to use as weapons? As far as I'm concerned, there has obviously been a brief encounter or two between the Company and the xenomorphs and/or the space jockeys, that has made the Company so persistent in obtaining a xenomorph specimen. So why not explore those first encounters and recreate the terror of the discovery of the species, that was so key to making Alien so terrifying?
I'd prefer the franchise was left alone, but if they're going to do something I'd prefer it was a prequel which could re-inject the terror and a few new revelations, rather than more AVP nonsense or the further ruination of the Ripley character and storyline. I just really hope that the storyline, the script, the cast, the direction etc etc etc, are all worthy of the original film, but I'd be surprised if it all came together. Fingers crossed though...
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By cnaz 1 October 31, 2009 07:56:21 PM
if i may be so bold as to suggest that after seeing the new star trek, its perfectly fine for ridley scott to ignore sequels and the avp films, since they completely ruined what could have been a great new franchise. Scott can simply re-examine the ship found on LV and the space jockey and the alien we know from the first film. even though there were many eggs, the beast that came from Kane was not so mindless as portrayed in the cameron flick. and for me, the space jockey (never liked that name) was as fascinating if not more so than the alien itself. i think it would be perectly fine to establish that humans either landed on LV before nostromo or perhaps interacted with that ship prior to its crashing on the planet. the fossil-like look can be accounted for because of the alien atmosphere, so time is not important if ridley scott wishes to make the prequel only 30 years earlier. as one of the other posts suggests, i think its important for the new film to answer a few questions, but create things even more terrifying or as terrifying as the first film. for instance, since the alien seems to possibly take on the characteristics of its host, perhaps the alien that came from the space jockey would be totally terrifying to see and deal with. the race of space jockey's themselves would be terrifying, but i think its likely a creature that is more scary with unanswered questions. as much as i would like to know more, some questions cannot be answered and that thing that is simply growing out of the chair is scary all by its lonesome. i think that ridley scott needs to re-create the horror of the first film but re-establishing that the creature is perfect, powerful and perhaps superior to humans in some way that maybe makes it a true David vs Goliath battle prior to Nostromo. it can be a simple plot with multiple story lines that can include a look back as to where the alien came from, but even that has to remain a bit unknown, since the scariest enemy is the one you can never truly know ... like Michael Myers from Halloween fame. i was a child when i first saw alien and scared me more than anything before or since. so scary that i couldn't sit through the second time i saw it; knowing what was coming next. scott needs to recapture that, but he must also create something new and unfortunately for the writers, he must connect the the prequel to the original in some way that is not hokey. btw ... of course the company knew there was an alien or something on that planet. Ash was a robot most likely because no human would follow such orders and the company needed a machine that the alien would not be able to impregnate if captured on the ship. i think the company put such value on the catch that nostromo may have only been one of many ships they sent to that planet. and i agree that in the aliens sequel, the company purposely put colonists on the planet to interact with the aliens to find a way to capture and transport them, but lets forget about that. i like the idea of the original alien that can act solitarily and with intent ... and generating unyielding fear in all but its own kind. -Chris Nazarian Potomac, MD
Re: The plot-obstacles to an Alien prequel
Posted By SCowan 1 November 1, 2009 09:58:13 PM
When I heard that there was not only going to be a new alien film but that it was going to be directed by Ridley Scott, I was overjoyed. I've been waiting for years for another addition to the saga, because I naturally assumed it would elaborate on the origins of the Xenomorph species and indeed the origins of the Space Jockey's species. So I was a little disappointed and frankly annoyed when I learned that the idea seems to be to abandon that whole story yet again. It's insane, because it's the only story left to tell. They managed to avoid it all the way through the four original films and even two horribly wrong AVP films which should never have been allowed to exist (but they were nothing to do with the original saga anyway, and I hope it remains that way, considering the fact that the AVP films set up for Weyland Yutani's obsession with the species). Ridley Scott himself stated that the Alien prequel will be set 30 years before the events of the original Alien film...so I really hope it's not going to tie in with the AVP franchise. Even if it does not, setting the film 30 years prior doesn't seem to allow for any elaboration on the origins of both the Xenomorph and Space Jockey species. I very much like the (already mentioned) idea of a sequel in which a crew, possibly including Ellen Ripley (for what would any Alien film be without her?) is sent back to LV-426 to investigate the origins and track the ship back to wherever it came from. This makes the most sense for a story in 3 ways: first of all, whether for good or for ill, mankind's curiosity is so profound that we wouldn't resist; secondly, you'd think we'd want to make sure this terrifying species is no longer a threat; and lastly and most importantly, it would be the film we've all been waiting for. Instead, we're going to get something completely different; another tacked-on story from the Alien universe. This leads me to believe that Ridley Scott doesn't actually care what the fans want to see and, surprise surprise, is pretty much only interested in making money.